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Leonard
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posted April 20, 2008 05:09 PM
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Here's what I don't get: The Republican party is largely made up of the so called "Christian right". One would think that they were endowed with a sense of stewardship and reverence towards our planet. You know, Gods greatest gift to man. But instead, we see them advocating the exploitation of it's resources and shitting all over it with pollution. Meanwhile, the "godless" Dems are doin the flower power thing and trying to encourage conservation and preservation. What gives? 20gauge (The Science Nazi)
I just hope you can sort this out for me, Mike. Some of you concernistas for the planet appear to have tunnel vision? read on~
Junk Science: A New 'Green' Body Count Begins
Thursday , April 17, 2008
By Steven Milloy
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Food riots caused by rising food prices have erupted around the world. Five people died in uprisings in Haiti, perhaps the first of many casualties to come from the fad of being "green."
Food riots also broke out in Egypt, Cameroon, Ivory Coast, Senegal and Ethiopia. The military is being deployed in Pakistan and Thailand to protect fields and warehouses. Higher energy costs and policies promoting the use of biofuels such as ethanol are being blamed.
"When millions of people are going hungry, it’s a crime against humanity that food should be diverted to biofuels," an ****** government official told the Wall Street Journal. Turkey’s finance minister labeled the use of biofuels as "appalling," according to the paper.
Biofuels have turned out to be a lose-lose-lose proposition. Once touted by the greens and the biofuel industry as being able to reduce the demand for oil and lower greenhouse gas emissions, biofuels have accomplished neither goal and have no prospect for accomplishing either in the foreseeable future.
The latest research shows that biofuels actually increase greenhouse gas emissions on a total lifecycle basis. Add in that taxpayer-subsidized diversion of food crops and food crop acreage to fuel production has contributed to higher food prices and reduced food supply, and biofuels turn out to be nothing less than a public policy disaster.
The situation is not likely to get any better any time soon, as cutting the farm subsidies and tariffs on sugar cane-based ethanol imports that have fueled the ethanol craze seems to be yet another third rail of U.S. politics.
Biofuel proponents hope the reliance on food crops to produce biofuels is temporary, and they point to a future where non-food biomass (such as corn stalks and grasses) is used to produce so-called cellulosic ethanol.
But in addition to the fact that the technology for producing cellulosic ethanol on a cost-effective basis is nowhere near ready for prime time, the greenhouse gas footprint of cellulosic ethanol likely will be far worse than that of corn-based ethanol.
It’s one thing to transport relatively compact corn kernels to be processed into ethanol; it’s quite another to transport bulky biomass. The bulk problem would require a multitude of cellulosic ethanol plants to be built around the country — a project that could be quite costly and difficult to locate given the phenomenon of NIMBY-ism and the problem of plant emissions making it more difficult for states to comply with federal air quality standards.
States that don’t meet those standards don’t get their much-needed federal highway funds. Food riots are only the tip of the green iceberg. We might also expect energy riots to erupt one day.
The world has an ever-growing population that needs more and more energy, but the greens are doing everything they can to constrict the world’s energy supply.
As the Sierra Club campaigns to shut down our coal-fired electricity capabilities, the Natural Resources Defense Council campaigns to prevent nuclear power from taking its place. The demise of coal-fired power and the blockage of increased nuclear power will increase the demand for supply constraints on, and the prices for, natural gas.
But then again, environmental advocacy group Earth First perhaps is helping to alleviate the looming natural gas crisis by campaigning against power plants that use the fuel. In a recent campaign against a South Florida power plant, an Earth First campaigner stated that the environment ought not be threatened "so that people can fuel their greedy energy desires." "Just say 'no' to electricity," seems to be the bottom line of eco-think.
Even wind power is becoming more and more politically incorrect. Environmentalist-friendly Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley this week announced that wind farms will not be allowed on state lands because they are eyesores.
Considering eco-activist Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s long-standing opposition to a wind farm off the coast of his family’s Hyannis Port, Mass., compound as well as environmentalist concerns that wind farms kill wild birds, it seems that the future of wind power is uncertain.
The environmentalist effort to tie our energy policy knots already is producing results. The availability of electricity in the Washington, D.C., area is so fragile that Maryland officials already are planning for summertime rolling blackouts starting in 2011.
In California, officials are so concerned that a recent state legislative proposal would have provided local utilities the power to control thermostats in new homes and businesses. Although this effort failed, it’s not that hard to imagine that, one day, all homes will have their electrical use controlled by local utilities — no doubt run by your local green energy czars.
Millions in the developing world have died and continue to do so from the greens’ campaign against pesticides such as DDT. Nothing less should be expected from their new campaign that threatens global food and energy production.
Steven Milloy publishes JunkScience.com and DemandDebate.com. He is a junk science expert, advocate of free enterprise and an adjunct scholar at the Competitive Enterprise Institute.
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Tim Behle
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posted April 20, 2008 07:21 PM
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Considering eco-activist Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s long-standing opposition to a wind farm off the coast of his family’s Hyannis Port, Mass., compound as well as environmentalist concerns that wind farms kill wild birds, it seems that the future of wind power is uncertain.
So after six years of having a wind turbine here at my house, why have I never found a single dead bird killed by it?
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Leonard
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posted April 20, 2008 07:34 PM
Tim, if you have ever been through the Whitewater area west of Palm Springs and the thousands of windmills, you might think otherwise? Thousands of soaring rapters and bats are killed by these things. Kind of a dirty little secret. Okay, it's no different than getting squashed on the highway, but it does happen.
Good hunting. LB
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posted April 20, 2008 08:40 PM
Ouch! You KNOW Steve Milloy is like a dentist drill to me. Why Leonard, why do you torture me? I guess I deserved that. I opened the damn can of worms. Again. Sorry. I will redouble my efforts to abstain from political commentary and discourse.
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Aznative
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posted April 21, 2008 07:50 PM
I think I finally see why the greenies like biofuel. You answer was right in your post, and right under your nose. As an automechanic, I am very aware of what a losing proposition biofuel is. With that said, it still has some promise to reduce green house gas emissions and the dependence on oil by nonoil producing nations by killing thru either food riots or starvation millions of people in under developed nations.
What a plan they have.
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Leonard
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posted April 21, 2008 10:11 PM
Mike, you know I wouldn't have used that dental drill, had I known? I'd much rather do a root canal.
Az, sure! Every little bit helps, right? And I do mean little. Maybe India and China will voluntarily reduce their emissions, too? Don't hold your breath.
Good hunting. LB
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