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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 12, 2008, 09:03 AM:
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"It's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
Posted by browning204 (Member # 821) on April 12, 2008, 09:38 AM:
Obama.
What do I win?
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 12, 2008, 02:59 PM:
I guess we ain't the honky bigots we have been lead to believe? Read on~
By Patrick J. Buchanan
Posted 03/21/2008 ET
How would he pull it off? I wondered.
How would Barack explain to his press groupies why he sat silent in a pew for 20 years as the Rev. Jeremiah Wright delivered racist rants against white America for our maligning of Fidel and Gadhafi, and inventing AIDS to infect and kill black people?
How would he justify not walking out as Wright spewed his venom about "the U.S. Of K.K.K. America," and howled, "God damn America!"
My hunch was right. Barack would turn the tables.
Yes, Barack agreed, Wright's statements were "controversial," and "divisive," and "raci! Ally ch arged," reflecting a "distorted view of America."
But we must understand the man in full and the black experience out of which the Rev. Wright came: 350 years of slavery and segregation.
Barack then listed black grievances and informed us what white America must do to close the racial divide and heal the country.
The "white community," said Barack, must start "acknowledging that what ails the African-American community does not just exist in the minds of black people; that the legacy of discrimination -- and current incidents of discrimination, while less overt than in the past -- are real and must be addressed. Not just with words, but with deeds ... ."
And what deeds must we perform to heal ourselves and our country?
The "white community" must invest more money in black schools and communities, enforce civil rights laws, ensure fairness in the criminal justice system and provide this generation of blacks with "ladders of opportunity" that were "unavailable" to Barack's and the Rev. Wright's generations.
What is wrong with Barack's prognosis and Barack's cure?
Only this. It is the same old con, the same old shakedown that black hustlers have been running since the Kerner Commission blamed the riots in Harlem, Watts, Newark, Detroit and a hundred other cities on, as Nixon put it, "ever ybody but the rioters themselves."
Was "white racism" really responsible for those black men looting auto dealerships and liquor stories, and burning down their own communities, as Otto Kerner said -- that liberal icon until the feds put him away for bribery.
Barack says we need to have a conversation about race in America.
Fair enough. But this time, it has to be a two-way conversation. White America needs to be heard from, not just lectured to.
This time, the Silent Majority needs to have its convictions, grievances and demands heard. And among them are these:
First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.
Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American.
Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the '60s on welfare, food stamps, rent ! Supplem ents, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream.
Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks -- with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas -- to advance black applicants over white applicants.
Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks.
We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude?
Barack talks about new "ladders of opportunity" for blacks.
Let him go to Altoona and Johnstown, and ask the white kids in Ca! Tholic schools how many were visited lately by Ivy League recruiters handing out scholarships for "deserving" white kids.
Is white America really responsible for the fact that the crime and incarceration rates for African-Americans are seven times those of white America? Is it really white America's fault that illegitimacy in the African-American community has hit 70 percent and the black dropout rate from high schools in some cities has reached 50 percent?
Is that the fault of white America or, first and foremost, a failure of the black community itself?
As for racism, its ugliest manifestation is in interracial crime, and especially interracial crimes of viol! Ence. I s Barack Obama aware that while white criminals choose black victims 3 percent of the time, black criminals choose white victims 45 percent of the time?
Is Barack aware that black-on-white rapes are 100 times more common than the reverse, that black-on-white robberies were 139 times as common in the first three years of this decade as the reverse?
We have all heard ad nauseam from the Rev. Al about Tawana Brawley, the Duke rape case and Jena. And all turned out to be hoaxes. But about the epidemic of black assaults on whites that are real, we hear nothing.
Sorry, Barack, some of us have heard it all before, about 40 years and 40 trillion tax dollars ago.
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on April 13, 2008, 10:52 AM:
Golly I didnt know that Rev. Wright was 350 years old.
Wow!
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 13, 2008, 05:39 PM:
Yeah, you would think he got emancipated just last week and is pretty upset about it, too!
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 16, 2008, 10:33 PM:
How does this guy get away with answers like this?
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Asked why he doesn’t usually wear an American flag pin, Obama again said that’s a “manufactured issue.” And asked about his association with William Ayers, former member of the violent left-wing group the Weather Underground, he said: “This kind of game in which anybody who I know, regardless of how flimsy the relationship is, that somehow their ideas could be attributed to me — I think the American people are smarter than that.”
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on April 17, 2008, 06:26 AM:
No! I actually want to know about his association
with William Ayers and Bernadine Dorn. These people are no less dangerous than foriegn terrorists. The weather underground are not exactly Boy Scouts.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 17, 2008, 08:32 AM:
It's not; "the American people are smarter than that."
It is that way too many of them are stupid. This guy has been around too long. He's certifiably ultra left wing. Yet, the Media doesn't want the people to know what he stands for. It is really scary that this asshole could actually become President of the United States!
Think Jimmy Carter. There's another one. They need to throw an net over that guy. Obama's worse. Much worse.
I can't believe that the thought of Hillary as President once caused me to lose sleep and here I am, if I could decide, I'd take her and her brand of Socialism in a NY minute. How could I be saying crap like that? I don't know, but we have to see that John McCain wins in November. For all his faults, he is the best choice....in my view.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by 20gauge (Member # 2113) on April 17, 2008, 10:32 AM:
For those of you that may have missed it, Leonard was interviewed recently by Chris Matthews. Here's a partial transcript:
CM: (screaming) "Let's play hardball! With me tonight is Internet guru and arch conservative Leonard B. Leonard, welcome to Hardball!"
LB: "Thanks Chris. I..."
CM: "What is your connection with the Internet nut-job known as 20gauge?"
LB: "Yeah, that guy is really out there. I..."
CM: "So you admit you have a relationship with him?"
LB: "Well, I know who you're talking about. I..."
CM: "He's a member of your ultraconservative right-wing, pro-gun Internet forum known as Huntmasters isn't he?"
LB: "Well, technically I guess you could say that but..."
CM: "You host his comments. You provide a forum for his ideas."
LB: "Look, I've never even met this guy. I don't even know if he's real. We just keep him around for laughs, you know, as a goof. I just..."
CM: "So, your association with this individual is that you allow him to put forth his kooky, some say dangerous ideas via your forum"? You are facilitating his point of view."
LB: "Hey I don't believe in censorship. My relationship, as you call it, with this 20gauge character is flimsy at best. Don't attribute his ideas to me".
CM: "You have control over the forum. Is that correct"?
LB: "Yeah, and I've put that guy in time out before but the membership is too smart to fall for that stuff. Except when he starts blithering about Monarch Mind Control. I had to explain to them that wasn't real. But, uh...hey, I was told there would be doughnuts here..."
CM: "Where's your flag pin"?
LB: "Well, as you can see Chris, I'm only wearing a penis sheath. I did have a pin on it but the little backer fell off while I was...uh...where did you say those doughnuts were"?
CM: "That's all the time we have for tonight. Join me next week when my guests will be Senator Larry Craig and actor Gary Busey. Your watching Hardball"!
[ April 17, 2008, 10:45 AM: Message edited by: 20gauge ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 17, 2008, 10:47 AM:
Very good!
Started good, very clever. Middle was great satire(!), but towards the end, a little too forced.
I don't know where you get your bogus information but I'm a bagel w/cream cheese kind of guy. I will not be portrayed as a donut consumer by you or anyone else, Mr 20gague.
And, I have pointed out on numerous occasions that you are always the smartest man in the room or the forum, as the case may be.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by 20gauge (Member # 2113) on April 17, 2008, 10:52 AM:
"Started good, very clever. Middle was great satire(!), but towards the end, a little too forced."
Leonard, you just described my sex life. Brilliant!
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 17, 2008, 12:11 PM:
Yeah? I saw that solo on UPorn. That was you? Impressive!
Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on April 17, 2008, 02:06 PM:
I still stand by my wager; worry not about Mrs. Clinton or Usama Obama being our next Commander in Chief. John McCain will be the next President of the United States, not that Im tickled about that,but it beats the alternative.
Posted by 20gauge (Member # 2113) on April 17, 2008, 02:22 PM:
I don't want to take credit for someone else's work. As far as I know, I don't have a video on Uporn. Wait, was there a daschund named Pepe in it? And some sock puppets? Yeah, that was me.
Posted by skoal (Member # 1492) on April 17, 2008, 02:46 PM:
Was that you 20, Now I'm impressed , I just love pepe's work , such a talent.
Posted by 20gauge (Member # 2113) on April 17, 2008, 03:23 PM:
Thanks Skoal. Yeah, Pepe was great. And, as you can see, he LOVED peanut butter.
Posted by browning204 (Member # 821) on April 18, 2008, 06:19 AM:
Sick, just sick!!
But I love it!
Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on April 18, 2008, 10:09 AM:
I believe in hope,and hope we can change;and with change we can believe in...because I believe in hope and change.
If we can change the future,we can change our past,and I believe that,and hope we can accomplish that together.
So I hope you pull that lever for change come next november, because I know you believe in hope and change just as I do.
Posted by skoal (Member # 1492) on April 18, 2008, 10:18 AM:
So Vic you been writting his speeches in your off time?
Souunds just like him.
Posted by 20gauge (Member # 2113) on April 18, 2008, 10:36 AM:
Vic, let's back up here...what wager? I missed it. How much?
ps what did you win in the FoxPro thing?
Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on April 18, 2008, 11:19 AM:
February 04, 2008 07:49 AM
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Im really not very emotionally involved in this Presidential Race,but just wondered what everyones predictions or gut hunch will be on the outcome?
Im pulling the lever for Romney tuesday, but have a hunch he won't be the nominee come game time. On game night, I'll pull the lever for McCain, who I predict, will be our next President.
On the other side of the aisle, I know Hillary seems to be the front runner, but I just can't fathom her being the nominee, no facts,not following any polls, I just can't stomach her,and have to think most voters won't either,come crunch time.
My prediction, the race will come down to McCain VS Obama, with McCain wearing the crown at the end of the battle?
I notice I didn't actually make a wager, just a prediction, but if pressed, I'd bet a 20 dollar bill in a heartbeat.
Posted by 20gauge (Member # 2113) on April 18, 2008, 11:49 AM:
I do remember that post now Vic. You seem to be right on track so far. I am notoriously bad when it comes to these things but I think it's gonna be the big O. I hope we're not in for another round of contested election results and accusations of voter fraud but I don't see the big oil companies or the Halburtons giving in without a fight. There is still alot of ice cream and cheesecake that needs to be shipped to Iraq. Naturally, they will want McBush to win and keep the honey flowing. They are powerful and will stop at nothing to make sure it turns out their way. Look for Top-Gun to crank up the fear level, get everyone scared and then offer to keep us safe. Over the past five years that uncontrolled and unaccounted for spending has been a great boon for the right folks. 4000 of our bravest kids and their families have paid the price. Change? Yeah I want it. Obammy is the polar opposite of McCain/Bush and that is all the change I want or expect. Look at it this way, it won't be a total loss if O wins...you guys can blame me for everything that goes wrong after that. Yeah, I'll go 20 on it.
[ April 18, 2008, 12:02 PM: Message edited by: 20gauge ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 18, 2008, 12:06 PM:
Man! That's hard to believe? Actually vote for Obama because he represents change?
On the other hand, I value every military death, and 4,000 is a lot. I think if you took a poll of every swinging dick in Iraq, they all think what they are doing has value. My grandson will be deployed in September, and it worries me, a lot. But, whatever happens, I won't change my mind about supporting the war. Those idiots would rather fight us there. If they come here, it would be blowing up restaurants and busses with civilians in them, just like Israel. But our men are all volunteers, they know what could happen.
Obama is the worst qualified candiadte in history. Sheese! Did I really need to point that out?
Good huntimg. LB
Posted by 20gauge (Member # 2113) on April 18, 2008, 12:12 PM:
I don't pray Leonard but I do hope. I hope your grandson returns safely. Now, if we're talkin about goin to war with those Okies on that other board,sign me up!
Posted by 20gauge (Member # 2113) on April 18, 2008, 12:46 PM:
"American soldiers speak out about their presidential endorsements."
By Martha Raddatz
ABC News, April 7, 2008
ABC's Martha Raddatz asked American soldiers in Iraq what issues are most important to them when looking at the presidential candidates.
A look at the key political issues for U.S. soldiers in Iraq.
Though the military is not supposed to engage in partisan political activity, these soldiers spoke out about their personal endorsements, and their opinions are likely to matter. In 2004, 73 percent of the U.S. military voted for a presidential candidate, and officials believe it may be even higher this time around.
PFC Jeremy Slate said he supported Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., because of his stated intention to pull out of Iraq right away.
"That would be nice," Slate said, "I'd like to be home, yea."
SFC Patricia Keller also expressed support for Obama, citing his representation for change.
Spc. Patrick Nicholls from Eggawam, Mass., pointed out that many soldiers on the frontlines frequently think about their families back home.
Spc. Imus Loto said he supported Obama. "It will be something different. But he's out there and he'll probably support us a lot more." By support, Loto meant pulling out troops. "Pull me out, too." he said.
The presidential candidates' views on the war in Iraq and Afghanistan have become central to the 2008 election.
Though the military is generally a more conservative group, soldiers like Sgt. Justin Sarbaum are just as eager for a pull-out as the Democratic candidates. Sarbaum said he wondered which presidential candidate would be able to better the U.S. relationship with rogue nations, such as Iran, so that soldiers are not sent off to another war.
"Iran is obviously a big issue," Sarbaum said, "Here in Iraq for my third time; starting another war right now — is it really necessary?"
Sgt. Cory Messingham from Lewisville, Texas, said he wasn't following the race, but he was concerned about candidates' paying attention to the emotional toll that the war has taken on soldiers.
"My biggest issue is support for the military, military funding and our deployments, not having long deployments anymore. Because [the] majority of us are doing ...15-month deployments. So, it's tough on the soldiers and tough on the soldiers' families. Those are really my biggest issues."
1st Sgt. David Logan said, "I am leaning toward Hillary. I think that we should have a gradual drawdown."
Though the soldiers have been living in Iraq, they listen closely to the candidates on issues far beyond the wars they are fighting.
"Education back in the states is one of my main concerns," Spc. Matthew Durkin said.
Economy and environment were on Staff Sgt. Derek Dion's mind. "Things like gas prices, and look at the environment and what we're going to leave our children."
Spc. Joseph Lindsesdt, who is from Alaska, said he was watching for consistency of the candidates' views. "The steadiness of the candidate, whether they've changed their views, constantly, over time, or with political wind, as I like to put it."
To that end, Lindsesdt's pick is Obama. "The fact that he's followed his views, regardless of what they have been [sic] and whether I've agreed with them or not, sometimes. But he's been steady the entire way."
When asked if he was concerned about criticism that Obama had less political experience than some of the other candidates, the battle-weary soldier replied, "No, I think being a decent leader doesn't have to do anything with experience much."
[ April 18, 2008, 01:03 PM: Message edited by: 20gauge ]
Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on April 18, 2008, 01:32 PM:
Yeah, keep the hope alive buddy, but I think the O'bomber is headed for a tail spin soon,neither demo candidate can make a hard run at our Az boy,at least I don't think they can?
I am puzzled at your "big oil" comment...what interest do they have in the big desert, I didn't think any of Iraqs wells had Exxon or Mobil emblazzened on them? Do we actually get any of our oil from Iraq? I thought most of our stuff came from Mexico and Canada...I could be wrong.
I did read that the largest contigious pool of oil ever discovered was found right here in the good ole USA, somewhere under the Dakotas and Montana, thats good news!
Oil is, the most effecient,available,economical and abundant source of energy on the face of the planet, and it's good to know we are sitting on a big puddle,now if we can only punch a few holes and get it going huh?
I don't pray,and I try not to hope, but I will trust your grandson will fare just fine Leonard, my son is headed that way come january,and I trust he will do just fine too.
Posted by skoal (Member # 1492) on April 18, 2008, 01:34 PM:
I dont agree that Obammy is the oppisite of Mc Stain hes the other end of the same shitty stick.
He lacks any substance whatsoever.
Posted by RagnCajn (Member # 879) on April 18, 2008, 01:36 PM:
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ABC's Martha Raddatz asked American soldiers in Iraq what issues are most important to them when looking at the presidential candidates.
And she only reported the ones that agreed with her agenda. For every one that she quoted, she threw out and did not report the 5 that disagree with her agenda.
Posted by 20gauge (Member # 2113) on April 18, 2008, 01:57 PM:
Neils headed for the sandbox huh? Damn.
Big Oil has a stake in this "war". It requires huge amounts of fuel to support that folly in Iraq...shipping, training, operations...everything burns the liquid gold from the Apache gunships to the trucks hauling lettece and tomatos to the lawn mowers used to groom the general's putting green. All the ships at sea, all the jet aircraft, the hummers, the generators...it takes a lot of oil and gas to play army. You and I are footing the bill.
The game is to keep the game going, not to resolve it. Shit, we took the entire planet back from the Japs and Nazis in less time than this. Do you really believe we couldn't wrap this thing up if we wanted to?
Yeah, I know were sitting on a lot of oil here in the US, but are we ready to tap into that? Shouldn't we hang on to that as a reserve? Do all these soccer moms in Phoenix really need to be burning up 100.00 tankfuls in their Suburbans while running from the nail salon to the florist?
Skoal, you should be a political analyst. I think you have a gift. I like your style.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 18, 2008, 02:01 PM:
You really screwed up, 20. That's Scottsdale, where they do that, not Phoenix!
Posted by skoal (Member # 1492) on April 18, 2008, 02:18 PM:
Its only $82.00 per tankful here in the dez.
The only thing youve said that I agree with is we could burn the place down in an hour.
what sort of a vaccum would that leave. we need to be in the neighborhood.so we dont have far to go after we bomb the shit out of Iran. the thing you fail to grasp is the extermist faction of Islam and through thier silence the rest of the muslim world want us dead. that includes you snd your hero Jimmy Carter.Oh I also agree that I have a gift
edit cuz I caint spell
[ April 18, 2008, 02:19 PM: Message edited by: skoal ]
Posted by skoal (Member # 1492) on April 18, 2008, 02:27 PM:
To refresh: Jimmy Carter
leme think oh yeah my motgage was at 17% yeah that Jimmy Carter ,Rocket scientist
Posted by 20gauge (Member # 2113) on April 18, 2008, 02:33 PM:
I'm glad we can agree on some things skoal. I'd like to see us reduce our dependance on foreign oil and it would be ok with me if we used our own oil as long as we used it responsibly. I don't think we're ready for that yet.
Once we didn't need that shit, those same "terrorists" would be BEGGING us to come over there to their "holy land" and spend money.
Who knows, that may be in the cards down the road. History is a funny thing...we hated, HATED!! the Germans and Japs. They were our sworn enemy. Now we're all cozy and chummy and drive BMWs and Infinitys. As the world turns.
Posted by skoal (Member # 1492) on April 18, 2008, 02:33 PM:
Anybody remember the "whip Inflation Now " buttons , those worked well and the hostage crisis he really solved that one.
now hes over in the sand box sniffing camel drivers drawers. nice illiterration dont you think.
Posted by skoal (Member # 1492) on April 18, 2008, 02:38 PM:
Damn Germans anyway they over engineer everthing ever work on a vw holy crap!
Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on April 18, 2008, 04:13 PM:
Do you really think that thru the next century, we " won't need that shit"? I sure can't see an energy source on the near horizon that is anywhere close to replacing oil in either effeciency or abundance.
Hey....just what is using oil responsibly, I don't make malotov cocktails,or napalm out of mine,it just goes in the tank.
Posted by 20gauge (Member # 2113) on April 18, 2008, 04:43 PM:
Being out there in the bush, it's hard for you to imagine but up here in the big city, we have people sitting in traffic for hours a day, all by themselves, one person per vehicle, driving to jobs in cars that are not fuel efficient. Many of them, myself included, could do these jobs just as easily on the phone and computer from home. Multiply that nationwide. It's simply not necessary. What will change it? Money. People will hit a spot that they can't or wont go beyond. Who knows what it is? $5.00 a gallon? $10.00? Incentives will be offered to employers to motivate them to seek alternate means of travel for their workforce. Employees will "telecommute" (sit home and watch TV). Our thurst for oil will diminish. And so will the profits of Exxon. Supply and demand. Lower the demand, the cost will come down.
Sure, down there in Pissnshit, AZ you need a tankfull of juice so you can go to the goat sale over in Bowie or line dance in Wilcox. But not everyone lives like that. Those of us stuck in metropolitan hell need to change how we do it...light rail, bus or my personal favorite, bicycle. I enjoy riding to work. I go pretty slow, it takes me about an hour and 20 minutes to travel 18 miles but it's clean and beats the hell out the white knuckle, brake squealing alternative. And thats only about 20 minutes longer than it takes me in a car! Again, if you need to drive a rig that can haul a welder, or pull a horse trailer or feed calves, you need gas for it. But not everyone needs that. Certainly not these pansy-assed city dwellers up here.
[ April 18, 2008, 04:44 PM: Message edited by: 20gauge ]
Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on April 18, 2008, 11:46 PM:
I don't know about that, I can't imagine our thurst for oil diminishing,or a need for it to diminish. We have a huge supply, the problem is we are not getting at it, instead we rely on Mexico and Canada to make up for our lack of hole punching.
That big puddle under North Dakota and Montana is estimated to hold about 4.3 BILLION barrels of recoverable oil,and the pond under ANWR holds quite a bit too. Those two ought to keep us swimming in oil for the next century or two?
We ought to be drilling and refining our way out of foreign dependance,and we should have been doing it yesterday.
Posted by 20gauge (Member # 2113) on April 19, 2008, 08:04 AM:
We just have two different approaches, that's all. You say increase the supply, I say reduce the demand. You are right, the demand won't decrease by itself. Something will have to drive it. That something will most likely be cost. We obese Americans can't really look anyone in the eye, or ourselves in the mirror, and say that we don't need to make some changes in the way we consume everything from hot fudge sundaes to gasoline. If we really needed it, I'd be the first to say yeah, tap into that domestic supply.
Perhaps it's a matter of definition. To my way of thinking, you don't "need" a Lincoln Navigator to drive to Starbucks and buy a Grande Moccha Frappachino. If you can afford it, that's great. If you can't afford it, the answer is to make some lifestyle changes, not to demand the government facilitate your wasteful squandering by increasing the supply of gas.
Up here in status-symbol land these image conscious assholes are screwing everything up for the average joe that needs to fuel his rig to make a living. But, as long as we're able and willing to pay for it, nothing will change. Why should it?
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 19, 2008, 08:40 AM:
Mike, you are fretting over nothing that doesn't have logical solutions.
Vic spells it out for you. **** the roadblocking envirowackos and drill domestically. We have oil. We need to build transmission lines. We need more refineries. We need nuclear and coal fired generators.
There is a new discovery almost weekly. Quit believing that crap about running out of fossil fuels. By the time we exhaust domestic supplies, cold fusion will be a reality. Cripes, will you quit worrying about the Navigators and Latte's!
That's the problem with you ultra lib types. You aren't happy uness you are miserable. Save the seals, save the ocean, support gun control, ban lead bullets, save the air, save the arctic, ban CO2, fight global warming (I love that one) ban plastic bottles, give Kfed custody, save the rain forest, support the U.N., & turn control of the Internet over to them suckers, tax, tax, tax. Doesn't that Zoloft work any more?
Good hunting. LB
Posted by 20gauge (Member # 2113) on April 19, 2008, 09:28 AM:
You're right Leonard, I was way out of line and I apologize. I don't know what gets into me sometimes but it's good to know there are friends out there who will hit me in the face with a cold bucket of water (and the bucket) when I need it. Thanks buddy. I guess I'm not looking at the big picture. I didn't even consider KFed and his custody issues.
Would like to write more but Pepe is doin the Mambo on my leg and I'm late for a trip down to Vic's neck of the woods. When I get down there I'm going to stop by Safeway and pick up a box full of those little white plastic shopping bags and release them into the wind. I think they look cool when they get hung up on the fences and the mesquite. I'm sure Vic will understand and approve. I want to prove to you guys that I'm no ultralib-envirowacko.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 19, 2008, 10:24 AM:
Okay, understood. But, you need comfort food, Amigo. Stop at McDonald's for an egg McMuffin om the way south, then throw the trash out the window. Re embrace your redneck roots.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on April 19, 2008, 02:03 PM:
Ahhh yes, those lovely white plastic bags. I think they should become southern Arizonas county flower, their literally everywhere.
Posted by 20gauge (Member # 2113) on April 19, 2008, 03:03 PM:
Each bright, fluttering bag is a proud banner celebrating Americas industrial productivity. Except they aren't actually manufactured here in America. Every flimsy container gets used only once for a few minutes then haunts the landscape for years like a little petroleum based ghost. Listen! You can hear their comforting, crackling sound in the distance. They say: "I am a constant reminder of Americas short sighted commitment to consumerism. Use me, then discard me. I am your friend. I will never leave you."
I've discussed this before with Vic. In France, you don't see those damn things blowing around the pristine countryside. Why? You bring your shopping bag to the grocery store. You re-use it every time you shop. Wow! What a bizarre concept. Uh oh, there I go again. Leonard! Fill up the bucket!
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Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on April 19, 2008, 04:21 PM:
I remember you telling me about that concept. I noticed last time I was at Frys, grabbing some chicken to burn on the grill, they had those bags for sale at the check-out.
To bad they(the mythical they) can't come up with a little white plastic bag that would quickly deteriorate when exposed to UV rays from the sun? Im sure we are not going to see them disappear from teh marketplace anytime soon,but I'd be happy to see them disappear from adorning the limbs of the mesquite along the hiway.
Posted by 20gauge (Member # 2113) on April 19, 2008, 05:06 PM:
Yeah we switched to those reusable bags. They only cost a buck and are actually pretty handy. They are strong, hold a lot of stuff and have big handles. Of course, down there where you are you also have other adornments to enjoy-blankets, plastic water jugs, diapers...
Posted by JeremyKS (Member # 736) on April 19, 2008, 06:56 PM:
what exactly is the weather underground?
Posted by 20gauge (Member # 2113) on April 19, 2008, 07:01 PM:
You mean the radical arm of the SDS? Uh oh...you've been reading back issues of Life and Time haven't you? Vic and I were young and idealistic back then. We were NOT involved in bomb making.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 19, 2008, 09:50 PM:
Germany is a much cleaner country than France, they even groom the forests. They call them schnitzel bags, and if you don't have one, you have to put your purchases in your pocket.
Those one dollar bags cost five dollars, here. But we have paper or plastic option, as well. The concept will probably drift your way in a few years, all our other styles and trends do.
Personally, I appreciate the white bags along the highway, shows wind direction which is helpful for knowing which way you want to plan your hunt. Have Vic explain the concept to you, 20.
And those neat little bundles the Mexicans leave in the parking lot while the husband is in the Circle K buying beer. They lend a very authentic southwest "flavor" to the landscape.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by 20gauge (Member # 2113) on April 19, 2008, 10:03 PM:
As usual, you have turned my frown upside down. Thanks for the insight Leonard. Have you been following the papal visit? Is it just me or does that guys car look like a dunk tank on wheels? I thought he was a junior high school principal at a fund raiser until I heard Tom Brokaw refer to him as "His Holyness". Hey, steel cage death match- who do you like...the Pope or Billy Graham?
Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on April 20, 2008, 08:33 AM:
hey now; remember Oral Roberts once awoke to a wrestling match with the devil and beat him two out of three!
I think his holiness would put Billy in an arm bar and win by submission.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 20, 2008, 09:09 AM:
So, is it more environment friendly or more charitable to donate your used beverage cans along the shoulder of the road? I mean, what lasts longer, Schlitz quart glass bottles, or 12 ounce Budweiser aluminum?
Should I save them and discard them in a plastic bag hanging on a fence, including the dangerous plastic sixpack holder thingy? I have been attempting to catch an animal with one for 13 years, so far, but no luck?
Should I save all my plastic milk jugs and hang them on fence posts filled with Guardia Lamblia fortified agua, do my part, so to speak?
I feel adrift without established guidelines.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by 20gauge (Member # 2113) on April 20, 2008, 09:57 AM:
Leonard, I don't believe you are a litter bug. In fact, I know you are not because I read how good your gang is at cleaning up after themselves when they visit Paul. Now, if we could just apply that sort of mentality on a global basis, we'll be OK.
Here's what I don't get: The Republican party is largely made up of the so called "Christian right". One would think that they were endowed with a sense of stewardship and reverence towards our planet. You know, Gods greatest gift to man. But instead, we see them advocating the exploitation of it's resources and shitting all over it with pollution. Meanwhile, the "godless" Dems are doin the flower power thing and trying to encourage conservation and preservation. What gives?
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 20, 2008, 11:24 AM:
I know! But Kanye said it best. George Bush just don't care about people of color. I thought he was a compasionate conservative, but apparently not?
Quick comment, the idea that Democrats care about polution and Republicans don't is laughable. I do believe that there is some reason to believe that greed is a factor, and I think it crosses party lines.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on April 20, 2008, 06:47 PM:
I'm having a hard time with that one Mike.
I consider myself to be a good Christian, and I lean towards "right wing" politics. Yet I believe that the first gift that God gave us, in the Garden of Eden, was the gift of choice. Therefore I believe that both abortion and Euthanasia for the terminally ill, should be between the people directly involved, and their God. No one else, neither Man nor State, should be allowed to choose for them. I've also paid Union Dues for half of my life.
I believe that every able bodied man should work hard to support himself and his family, that isn't the Government's job, it is the responsibility of each and every man. And I resent the liberals in society who have allowed this great country to become a welfare State. In my mind, taking a Government hand out should be an embossment, one that no one wants to ever repeat.
And since when do the Democrats want to preserve and conserve? I gotta call Bullshit on that one. The only thing that they want to preserve and conserve is their own bleeding hearts. They never mention that good old Mother Nature is a hell of a lot more harsh than mankind ever has been. Why do they only want to stop mankind from using the Earths resources, why don't they want to stop any other creature? Why don't they do something about these Volcanoes instead of spewing their shit about how much CO2 my car creates, or how bad it is that Generators burn coal? can't they spend their money coming up with a reasonable alternative instead of trying to control my life and tax me into their Welfare system?
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I believe that the Republican Party is made up with a lot of people Just like me, with pretty much the same beliefs. The "Christian Right" that you hear on TV, is just a mouth piece. We give them money to support our cause, because even though it may be a little overboard, it is at least leaning in the right direction.
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Posted by 20gauge (Member # 2113) on April 20, 2008, 07:24 PM:
Hi Tim
I'm just confused about the connection thats all. I'm with you in your first two paragraphs. That third paragraph is going to take some rumination. I don't think either party has much say when it comes to volcanic activity. My point is that by and large, Dems are more closely associated with environmental concerns than Republicans. Check the voting records. And given the religious make up of the party, it seems inconsistent to me. I am also having the same problem with McCain and his voting record on veterans issues. That too seems to be the opposite of what should be. I applaud your faith and hard work. I typed this without my glasses. Hope you can read it.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 20, 2008, 08:57 PM:
20, it's really simple. You are claiming that liberal bleeding heart Democrats CARE MORE, and that's total bullshit.
Just like Kennedy, they don't want all the warm fuzzy stuff spoiling their view, NIMBY strikes again.
It is not even debateable, Democrats want to spread Republican wealth, not their own. And, in case you haven't noticed, you don't have to be wealthy to be a Republican, just have a job.
Good hunting. LB
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