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Leonard
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posted April 12, 2008 09:03 AM
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"It's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
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posted April 12, 2008 09:38 AM
Obama.
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posted April 12, 2008 02:59 PM
I guess we ain't the honky bigots we have been lead to believe? Read on~
By Patrick J. Buchanan
Posted 03/21/2008 ET
How would he pull it off? I wondered.
How would Barack explain to his press groupies why he sat silent in a pew for 20 years as the Rev. Jeremiah Wright delivered racist rants against white America for our maligning of Fidel and Gadhafi, and inventing AIDS to infect and kill black people?
How would he justify not walking out as Wright spewed his venom about "the U.S. Of K.K.K. America," and howled, "God damn America!"
My hunch was right. Barack would turn the tables.
Yes, Barack agreed, Wright's statements were "controversial," and "divisive," and "raci! Ally ch arged," reflecting a "distorted view of America."
But we must understand the man in full and the black experience out of which the Rev. Wright came: 350 years of slavery and segregation.
Barack then listed black grievances and informed us what white America must do to close the racial divide and heal the country.
The "white community," said Barack, must start "acknowledging that what ails the African-American community does not just exist in the minds of black people; that the legacy of discrimination -- and current incidents of discrimination, while less overt than in the past -- are real and must be addressed. Not just with words, but with deeds ... ."
And what deeds must we perform to heal ourselves and our country?
The "white community" must invest more money in black schools and communities, enforce civil rights laws, ensure fairness in the criminal justice system and provide this generation of blacks with "ladders of opportunity" that were "unavailable" to Barack's and the Rev. Wright's generations.
What is wrong with Barack's prognosis and Barack's cure?
Only this. It is the same old con, the same old shakedown that black hustlers have been running since the Kerner Commission blamed the riots in Harlem, Watts, Newark, Detroit and a hundred other cities on, as Nixon put it, "ever ybody but the rioters themselves."
Was "white racism" really responsible for those black men looting auto dealerships and liquor stories, and burning down their own communities, as Otto Kerner said -- that liberal icon until the feds put him away for bribery.
Barack says we need to have a conversation about race in America.
Fair enough. But this time, it has to be a two-way conversation. White America needs to be heard from, not just lectured to.
This time, the Silent Majority needs to have its convictions, grievances and demands heard. And among them are these:
First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.
Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American.
Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the '60s on welfare, food stamps, rent ! Supplem ents, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream.
Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks -- with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas -- to advance black applicants over white applicants.
Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks.
We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude?
Barack talks about new "ladders of opportunity" for blacks.
Let him go to Altoona and Johnstown, and ask the white kids in Ca! Tholic schools how many were visited lately by Ivy League recruiters handing out scholarships for "deserving" white kids.
Is white America really responsible for the fact that the crime and incarceration rates for African-Americans are seven times those of white America? Is it really white America's fault that illegitimacy in the African-American community has hit 70 percent and the black dropout rate from high schools in some cities has reached 50 percent?
Is that the fault of white America or, first and foremost, a failure of the black community itself?
As for racism, its ugliest manifestation is in interracial crime, and especially interracial crimes of viol! Ence. I s Barack Obama aware that while white criminals choose black victims 3 percent of the time, black criminals choose white victims 45 percent of the time?
Is Barack aware that black-on-white rapes are 100 times more common than the reverse, that black-on-white robberies were 139 times as common in the first three years of this decade as the reverse?
We have all heard ad nauseam from the Rev. Al about Tawana Brawley, the Duke rape case and Jena. And all turned out to be hoaxes. But about the epidemic of black assaults on whites that are real, we hear nothing.
Sorry, Barack, some of us have heard it all before, about 40 years and 40 trillion tax dollars ago.
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Paul Melching
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posted April 13, 2008 10:52 AM
Golly I didnt know that Rev. Wright was 350 years old.
Wow!
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Leonard
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posted April 13, 2008 05:39 PM
Yeah, you would think he got emancipated just last week and is pretty upset about it, too!
Good hunting. LB
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posted April 16, 2008 10:33 PM
How does this guy get away with answers like this?
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Asked why he doesn’t usually wear an American flag pin, Obama again said that’s a “manufactured issue.” And asked about his association with William Ayers, former member of the violent left-wing group the Weather Underground, he said: “This kind of game in which anybody who I know, regardless of how flimsy the relationship is, that somehow their ideas could be attributed to me — I think the American people are smarter than that.”
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posted April 17, 2008 06:26 AM
No! I actually want to know about his association
with William Ayers and Bernadine Dorn. These people are no less dangerous than foriegn terrorists. The weather underground are not exactly Boy Scouts.
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posted April 17, 2008 08:32 AM
It's not; "the American people are smarter than that."
It is that way too many of them are stupid. This guy has been around too long. He's certifiably ultra left wing. Yet, the Media doesn't want the people to know what he stands for. It is really scary that this asshole could actually become President of the United States!
Think Jimmy Carter. There's another one. They need to throw an net over that guy. Obama's worse. Much worse.
I can't believe that the thought of Hillary as President once caused me to lose sleep and here I am, if I could decide, I'd take her and her brand of Socialism in a NY minute. How could I be saying crap like that? I don't know, but we have to see that John McCain wins in November. For all his faults, he is the best choice....in my view.
Good hunting. LB
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posted April 17, 2008 10:32 AM
For those of you that may have missed it, Leonard was interviewed recently by Chris Matthews. Here's a partial transcript:
CM: (screaming) "Let's play hardball! With me tonight is Internet guru and arch conservative Leonard B. Leonard, welcome to Hardball!"
LB: "Thanks Chris. I..."
CM: "What is your connection with the Internet nut-job known as 20gauge?"
LB: "Yeah, that guy is really out there. I..."
CM: "So you admit you have a relationship with him?"
LB: "Well, I know who you're talking about. I..."
CM: "He's a member of your ultraconservative right-wing, pro-gun Internet forum known as Huntmasters isn't he?"
LB: "Well, technically I guess you could say that but..."
CM: "You host his comments. You provide a forum for his ideas."
LB: "Look, I've never even met this guy. I don't even know if he's real. We just keep him around for laughs, you know, as a goof. I just..."
CM: "So, your association with this individual is that you allow him to put forth his kooky, some say dangerous ideas via your forum"? You are facilitating his point of view."
LB: "Hey I don't believe in censorship. My relationship, as you call it, with this 20gauge character is flimsy at best. Don't attribute his ideas to me".
CM: "You have control over the forum. Is that correct"?
LB: "Yeah, and I've put that guy in time out before but the membership is too smart to fall for that stuff. Except when he starts blithering about Monarch Mind Control. I had to explain to them that wasn't real. But, uh...hey, I was told there would be doughnuts here..."
CM: "Where's your flag pin"?
LB: "Well, as you can see Chris, I'm only wearing a penis sheath. I did have a pin on it but the little backer fell off while I was...uh...where did you say those doughnuts were"?
CM: "That's all the time we have for tonight. Join me next week when my guests will be Senator Larry Craig and actor Gary Busey. Your watching Hardball"!
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posted April 17, 2008 10:47 AM
Very good!
Started good, very clever. Middle was great satire(!), but towards the end, a little too forced.
I don't know where you get your bogus information but I'm a bagel w/cream cheese kind of guy. I will not be portrayed as a donut consumer by you or anyone else, Mr 20gague.
And, I have pointed out on numerous occasions that you are always the smartest man in the room or the forum, as the case may be.
Good hunting. LB
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posted April 17, 2008 10:52 AM
"Started good, very clever. Middle was great satire(!), but towards the end, a little too forced."
Leonard, you just described my sex life. Brilliant!
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posted April 17, 2008 12:11 PM
Yeah? I saw that solo on UPorn. That was you? Impressive!
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posted April 17, 2008 02:06 PM
I still stand by my wager; worry not about Mrs. Clinton or Usama Obama being our next Commander in Chief. John McCain will be the next President of the United States, not that Im tickled about that,but it beats the alternative.
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posted April 17, 2008 02:22 PM
I don't want to take credit for someone else's work. As far as I know, I don't have a video on Uporn. Wait, was there a daschund named Pepe in it? And some sock puppets? Yeah, that was me.
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posted April 17, 2008 02:46 PM
Was that you 20, Now I'm impressed , I just love pepe's work , such a talent.
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posted April 17, 2008 03:23 PM
Thanks Skoal. Yeah, Pepe was great. And, as you can see, he LOVED peanut butter.
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posted April 18, 2008 06:19 AM
Sick, just sick!!
But I love it!
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posted April 18, 2008 10:09 AM
I believe in hope,and hope we can change;and with change we can believe in...because I believe in hope and change.
If we can change the future,we can change our past,and I believe that,and hope we can accomplish that together.
So I hope you pull that lever for change come next november, because I know you believe in hope and change just as I do.
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posted April 18, 2008 10:18 AM
So Vic you been writting his speeches in your off time?
Souunds just like him.
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posted April 18, 2008 10:36 AM
Vic, let's back up here...what wager? I missed it. How much?
ps what did you win in the FoxPro thing?
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posted April 18, 2008 11:19 AM
February 04, 2008 07:49 AM
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Im really not very emotionally involved in this Presidential Race,but just wondered what everyones predictions or gut hunch will be on the outcome?
Im pulling the lever for Romney tuesday, but have a hunch he won't be the nominee come game time. On game night, I'll pull the lever for McCain, who I predict, will be our next President.
On the other side of the aisle, I know Hillary seems to be the front runner, but I just can't fathom her being the nominee, no facts,not following any polls, I just can't stomach her,and have to think most voters won't either,come crunch time.
My prediction, the race will come down to McCain VS Obama, with McCain wearing the crown at the end of the battle?
I notice I didn't actually make a wager, just a prediction, but if pressed, I'd bet a 20 dollar bill in a heartbeat.
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posted April 18, 2008 11:49 AM
I do remember that post now Vic. You seem to be right on track so far. I am notoriously bad when it comes to these things but I think it's gonna be the big O. I hope we're not in for another round of contested election results and accusations of voter fraud but I don't see the big oil companies or the Halburtons giving in without a fight. There is still alot of ice cream and cheesecake that needs to be shipped to Iraq. Naturally, they will want McBush to win and keep the honey flowing. They are powerful and will stop at nothing to make sure it turns out their way. Look for Top-Gun to crank up the fear level, get everyone scared and then offer to keep us safe. Over the past five years that uncontrolled and unaccounted for spending has been a great boon for the right folks. 4000 of our bravest kids and their families have paid the price. Change? Yeah I want it. Obammy is the polar opposite of McCain/Bush and that is all the change I want or expect. Look at it this way, it won't be a total loss if O wins...you guys can blame me for everything that goes wrong after that. Yeah, I'll go 20 on it.
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posted April 18, 2008 12:06 PM
Man! That's hard to believe? Actually vote for Obama because he represents change?
On the other hand, I value every military death, and 4,000 is a lot. I think if you took a poll of every swinging dick in Iraq, they all think what they are doing has value. My grandson will be deployed in September, and it worries me, a lot. But, whatever happens, I won't change my mind about supporting the war. Those idiots would rather fight us there. If they come here, it would be blowing up restaurants and busses with civilians in them, just like Israel. But our men are all volunteers, they know what could happen.
Obama is the worst qualified candiadte in history. Sheese! Did I really need to point that out?
Good huntimg. LB
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posted April 18, 2008 12:12 PM
I don't pray Leonard but I do hope. I hope your grandson returns safely. Now, if we're talkin about goin to war with those Okies on that other board,sign me up!
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posted April 18, 2008 12:46 PM
"American soldiers speak out about their presidential endorsements."
By Martha Raddatz
ABC News, April 7, 2008
ABC's Martha Raddatz asked American soldiers in Iraq what issues are most important to them when looking at the presidential candidates.
A look at the key political issues for U.S. soldiers in Iraq.
Though the military is not supposed to engage in partisan political activity, these soldiers spoke out about their personal endorsements, and their opinions are likely to matter. In 2004, 73 percent of the U.S. military voted for a presidential candidate, and officials believe it may be even higher this time around.
PFC Jeremy Slate said he supported Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., because of his stated intention to pull out of Iraq right away.
"That would be nice," Slate said, "I'd like to be home, yea."
SFC Patricia Keller also expressed support for Obama, citing his representation for change.
Spc. Patrick Nicholls from Eggawam, Mass., pointed out that many soldiers on the frontlines frequently think about their families back home.
Spc. Imus Loto said he supported Obama. "It will be something different. But he's out there and he'll probably support us a lot more." By support, Loto meant pulling out troops. "Pull me out, too." he said.
The presidential candidates' views on the war in Iraq and Afghanistan have become central to the 2008 election.
Though the military is generally a more conservative group, soldiers like Sgt. Justin Sarbaum are just as eager for a pull-out as the Democratic candidates. Sarbaum said he wondered which presidential candidate would be able to better the U.S. relationship with rogue nations, such as Iran, so that soldiers are not sent off to another war.
"Iran is obviously a big issue," Sarbaum said, "Here in Iraq for my third time; starting another war right now — is it really necessary?"
Sgt. Cory Messingham from Lewisville, Texas, said he wasn't following the race, but he was concerned about candidates' paying attention to the emotional toll that the war has taken on soldiers.
"My biggest issue is support for the military, military funding and our deployments, not having long deployments anymore. Because [the] majority of us are doing ...15-month deployments. So, it's tough on the soldiers and tough on the soldiers' families. Those are really my biggest issues."
1st Sgt. David Logan said, "I am leaning toward Hillary. I think that we should have a gradual drawdown."
Though the soldiers have been living in Iraq, they listen closely to the candidates on issues far beyond the wars they are fighting.
"Education back in the states is one of my main concerns," Spc. Matthew Durkin said.
Economy and environment were on Staff Sgt. Derek Dion's mind. "Things like gas prices, and look at the environment and what we're going to leave our children."
Spc. Joseph Lindsesdt, who is from Alaska, said he was watching for consistency of the candidates' views. "The steadiness of the candidate, whether they've changed their views, constantly, over time, or with political wind, as I like to put it."
To that end, Lindsesdt's pick is Obama. "The fact that he's followed his views, regardless of what they have been [sic] and whether I've agreed with them or not, sometimes. But he's been steady the entire way."
When asked if he was concerned about criticism that Obama had less political experience than some of the other candidates, the battle-weary soldier replied, "No, I think being a decent leader doesn't have to do anything with experience much."
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