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Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on January 14, 2007, 02:32 PM:
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BISBEE, Ariz. — An unidentified Mexican man has been shot and killed by a Border Patrol agent in the United States just over the frontier near Naco, authorities said Sunday.
The Cochise County Sheriffs Office and the Border Patrol's Tucson Sector headquarters said the shooting took place Friday. Lt. Commander Mark Dannels of the Sheriffs Office said the confrontation began as a rock-throwing incident.
"The officer was in fear of his life and took the actions he deemed appropriate," Dannels said.
In Mexico, the Foreign Relations Department condemned the shooting on Saturday, which it said was about 550 yards north of the Mexico border.
"The department expresses its profound concern over this kind of disproportionate violence that results in the loss of human lives," the department said in a news release. "Above all, when force is used against people who do not represent a threat to United States authorities."
The department did not identify the man except to say he was 22 and from the Mexican central state of Puebla. It said the shooting occurred when he was detained along with several others, including three relatives, by Border Patrol agents in Naco, Ariz.
An investigation into the incident is ongoing. The Border Patrol agent involved in the shooting has been placed on paid administrative leave pending the outcome of the investigation, Rodriguez said.
Meanwhile, the Foreign Relations Department has instructed its diplomats in Arizona and Washington to launch their own investigations.
This guy entered the country illegally, was arrested for it, and then started throwing rocks at his arresting Officer. The BP Agent had to shoot him in self defense, and the Mexican Government has the audacity to stand up and say their citizen wasn't acting as a threat to United States authorities.
I can guarantee that if you go into Mexico and start chucking rocks at the Federalies, the outcome will be the same. The difference is they will just leave your body to the buzzards, and your family will never know what happened to you. What to you bet that the BP Agent finds him self in some serious hot water, for acting in defense of his own life?
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Armed group comes within 100 yards of border troops
By The Associated Press
TUCSON, Ariz. (AP) - Armed men who prompted National Guard soldiers to leave an observation post near the Mexican border came within 100 yards of the troops, but apparently were unaware of the presence of the Guard members, authorities said Friday.
Four soldiers near Sasabe decided to move to a safer position late Wednesday night as the group of four or five armed men apparently from Mexico approached, Border Patrol spokesman Mario Martinez said in Washington.
``There were no shots fired, no attacks, no overrunning of the National Guardsmen,'' nor any contact with the group, Martinez said.
Border Patrol agents responded within minutes and followed tracks believed left by the group back to the Mexican border, Martinez said.
The National Guard troops are in Arizona and the three other border states assisting Border Patrol agents in a variety of roles, such as operating surveillance cameras, repairing border fences, constructing vehicle barriers and reporting illegal entries.
Observation teams such as the one that saw the armed men near Sasabe look out and report illegal border crossings to federal agents.
Maj. Paul Aguirre, spokesman for the Arizona National Guard, said those team members always carry arms for self-defense.
``The National Guard personnel's reaction was exactly as planned for and prepared,'' Aguirre said. So was the Border Patrol's response within a few minutes, he added.
``There was no harm done to any of the personnel or the site,'' Aguirre said.
He said he was not aware of any similar incidents involving other guard units.
Martinez also said the soldiers did not report seeing the men carrying anything that might be contraband.
U.S. Border Patrol officials are investigating the incident.
The incident occurred between Nogales and Lukeville.
The National Guard troops are not allowed to apprehend illegal immigrants.
``We don't know if this was a matter of somebody coming up accidentally on the individuals, coming up intentionally on the individuals, or some sort of a diversion,'' said Rob Daniels, a spokesman for the Border Patrol's Tucson Sector.
The west desert corridor has been the busiest in the Tucson Sector for marijuana seizures since last year.
With more Border Patrol agents and National Guard troops patrolling the Arizona section of the U.S.-Mexican border, it has become more difficult to smuggle drugs and people across and ``that heightened frustration may have been connected to what took place last night,'' Daniels said.
It turns out that our National Guard troops stationed here in Arizona to "Protect" out border, are under orders from the Governors Office to retreat if approached. If they can't act in defense of our Border, what is the point in paying to have them there?
Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on January 15, 2007, 06:46 AM:
Amen, you hit it on the head, Tim.
I dont understand either. I think we should engage and not just push them across the border but deep enough into Mexico they think twice next time. Were gonna have to get serious before they slow it down.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 15, 2007, 09:14 AM:
You know, those two agents that shot a Mexican smuggler in the butt are scheduled to surender this week for ten and eleven year sentences. What kind of message does that send?
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Dusty Hunter (Member # 1031) on January 15, 2007, 06:40 PM:
Leonard, There's an interesting article here about the protests across the country concerning the two border patrol agents. www.americanpatrol.com Generally, the articles only stay on the top for a couple days, then they move into past features. This article is January 15. I wonder if any of these absurd events on the border have anything to do with the information received when one googles {North American Union} and also googles {Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America}.
[ January 16, 2007, 08:35 AM: Message edited by: Dusty Hunter ]
Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on January 16, 2007, 06:56 PM:
Here is a little tidbit that the press keeps leaving out. The ranch that the Illegal immigrant was killed on, happens to be owned by the same man who owns the ranch directly to the South in Mexico. He is rumored to be part of the Agua Prieta Drug cartel, and the area of the shooting is a major drug smuggling area.
The Agents knew this, and they also know that Drug smugglers are more likely to aggressively resist arrest than someone just trying to migrate North. The guy threw rocks, then came at the Agent with a large rock in hand. The Agent acted in fear for his life, but I doubt justice will be served. It seems no longer legal to defend one's life, if the aggressor happens to be an illegal immigrant smuggling drugs.
Just ask those two Agents from Texas.
Posted by Dusty Hunter (Member # 1031) on January 17, 2007, 08:37 AM:
Here's a poll pertaining to the border patrol agents going to jail: www.worldnetdaily.com/polls/ "What do you think about the Border Patrol agents going to jail?"
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