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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 27, 2026, 02:17 PM:
We were down south, not lost, but attempting to gain our bearings. Stopped at what they call a tank, which is a semi natural and semi constructed pond for stock watering. They are constructed so that a natural wash, or gully terminates in a donut shaped earthen structure many moons ago and consequently, is surrounded by mesquite trees and assorted desert shrubs and attracts various wildlife; I once observed a Cara Cara, which is the National bird depicted on the Mexican flag, and I had casually assumed that it was an eagle. No, but it is a large raptor with distinctive markings and prefers walking to flying. Anyway, these tanks attract an assortment of wildlife.
So we were parked outside and got out to stretch our legs, me, my so, and Bob. We were studying a large paper that didn’t have enough detail to show a tank but we were just trying to get from point A to point B.
We had been there 5 or 10 minutes when I looked up at the top of the berm, about 50-60-70 feet distant and at the top, in an open clearing stood three coyotes very interested in whatever we were doing. Trying to not be very obvious that we had noticed them we thought about what to do? We decided to very casually get three rifles and slowly to coordinate, making sure everybody had picked out their own coyote and at a signal, we all fired at exactly the same time at our picked out, oblivious coyotes.
It worked like a charm, three coyotes bit the dust at exactly the same time and we congratulated each other at a well executed plan. You know, as long as an animal is unaware that they are being observed, they are as curious as are humans.
Tame, unpressurized coyotes are like the wild burros in Bishop when they have that pioneer days thing, I forget what they call it but seems like in occurs late fall around Labor Day? IDK?
That’s the thing about burros, they need to be culled because they take over and guard water holes and prevent antelope and sheep from drinking. Yet, they are protected Federally, due to the bubbyhugger Lobby. Same with Mustangs, we have more mustangs than we need, and they should be culled, but instead, the government spends millions on rounding them up for auction by Liberals. I’m as tenderhearted as the next, but these horses get too much attention and dollars spent on their maintenance. It should be more like rat control but too much money is spent on horses that few people want. Same with wild burros. Except the burros have some value as protectors of sheep versus coyotes. Kinda like big dogs Great Perionese(sp) you know what I mean?
And, fucking predator control in Nevada! They say that there is a $5 from hunting licenses that is targeted for air patrol, coyote control, which can’t be justified. But it sounds legit. Unneeded and unnecessary, but the anti-coyote crowd has control.
Lot’s of situations that need address, O well?
LB 🐝
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on June 08, 2026, 08:02 AM:
Wild Burros;
Over the years in addition to the usual coyote, fox, bobcat I've called in bears, mt. lions, javelina, ranch dogs, a hippy and an A-10 Warthog.
Exciting times, all. But .......
The only time that I was really a wee bit concerned about my pink & tender hide was when I called in a herd of wild burros in Nev. Fine looking beasts but they were without a doubt the most aggressive critters I've ever encountered. Not until I stood up, waved my arms and yelled a couple of times did they grudgeingly back away.
....... and God help ya if you actually shoot one of these Federally Protected symbols of the old west.
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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 08, 2026, 03:19 PM:
I had a guy tell me once, that he killed 50 burros in Death Valley. With a 17! From Ambush around a water hole, or was it a dry lakebed? Guy’s Name was Dick Dochef, a tubby guy known for never getting his truck dirty, or even dusty. Besides that, he was kind of a bullshit artist, lived with his mom. Never killed very many predators, kinda specialized inKit Fox, which aren’t even scored i the CSVCA. And, hunted alone, I think because he didn’t really hunt a lot, he would get a motel, or maybe the Cottontail Ranch. Strange dude.He had at different times, a spanking new Toyota Land Cruiser, and a New Ford Pick up, said he got top dollar for it and everybody snickered behind his back that it was because it never left the pavement! Maybe club hunts were where he got all of his dates, you know, spend the night in a cat house? All speculation! He was one of those 17 dudes. Actually the first person I ever knew that shot one. It was before the 17 Remington, I think a Javalina? A bit of a weird dude, you know typical Seventeen shooter! Ha Ha just kidding, just kidding! Victor, you know I love ya, man! Just teasing.
Vic’s the real deal! I’m serious! Tim tooedit: 🦹♂️
LB 🐝
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Posted by NVWalt (Member # 375) on June 09, 2026, 04:12 AM:
So being a 17 shooter makes us peculiar?LOL
I have NO LOVE at all about those worthless burros and feral horses. They absolutely fuck up waterholes and do keep the native critters away from them. I have had just a few heated discussions about the feral horse with those teary eyed libtards that think somehow all these damn feral horses and burros are such wonderful remnants of our Western cowboy past.
And yes they can be aggressive.I won't mention names or places but I do have friend that uses a sad and disgusting way of birth control on them.
And I have had to fire a couple rounds at the feet of feral horses. Last chance at living shots because if that stallion made one more step in my direction he would enjoy his last days on Mother Earth by me putting a bullet in its head.Waste of good taxpayer dollars keeping those hayburners around in those pens out by Reno/Sparks where they are corralled by the hundreds.Total bull shit just to keep those stupid libtards happy.
I can't believe you say things like that about us 17 shooters Leonard.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 09, 2026, 09:42 AM:
Gulp! Walt, don’t you remember? I exempted all members of the Peanut Gallery!
But I am 100% in agreement with your thoughts about Burros and Mustangs. Nevada’s adoption program, actually Federal, is a huge wast of money. The whole concept of the romantic west portrayed by wild horses/burros is a big lie. But, I don’t really know what to do about it? It’s not the whole state. I’ve seen bigger herds in AZ, on Rez.
But anyway, my opinion about 17’s is regarding their use on coyotes. I’ve said before that I never saw a seventeen at a coyote hunting contest. Those guys use more gun.
LB 🐝
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on June 09, 2026, 10:16 AM:
I have to admit I have killed a shit load of Coyotes with my .17 Tactical. Some out to 300+ yards and have never felt under gunned with it.That’s strictly day stands though. Now if I were contest hunting I would grab my .22-250 Ackley every time. But I really do love that little .17 Tactical.😉
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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on June 09, 2026, 10:30 AM:
This Just In !!!
Australia is starting an aerial gunning program to reduce (Not eliminate) out of control numbers of their iconic wild horses known as Brumbies.
Needless to say the do-gooders are outraged.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on June 10, 2026, 10:06 AM:
well I guess I'm one of those do gooders, I like wild horses they part of our history and no reason why they still can't roam free, plenty of dam land to go around, same for wolves , big cats or whatever else we still have that roams free. I love coyotes as well and don't hunt them out of hate and can even walk away from shooting one if I want. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on June 10, 2026, 10:47 AM:
............. reduce, not eliminate.
It's called wildlife management. Maximum numbers / Carrying capacity of the land, that sort of thing.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on June 10, 2026, 10:51 AM:
Yes I know. they have wild horse and burro auctions all year or in springtime, some sold and some adopted, I like that better than shooting them and leaving lay. Kind of like Leonards view on coyotes.
They even hold wild mustang contests, where owner trains up a mustang and competes for top honors. pretty cool.
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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 10, 2026, 11:28 AM:
<sigh>
As usual, basic concepts escape some people. The wild horse problem in Nevada is not focused on eradication. They are attempting to control the species so that they do not destroy their habitat. Apparently, you missed the further justification that the wild horse proliferation highly impacts native species, Bighorn sheep and pronghorns are not able to cope with aggressive horses and burros that treat water holes are their private resource. You wish they could all get along but this is not reality.
So, nobody said: “ let’s wipe ‘em out!” It’s an effort at control, not erradication. AS a matter of fact, I like seeing them around, but I know the damage they do, therefore they need control. So do jackrabbits, for that matter. It is said that 5 rabbits consume as much sustenance as one horse.
What does not need control is coyotes! Nevada has a completely unnecessary predator control program. Why? Well….because? It’s not justified, coyotes self regulate.
LB 🐝
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on June 10, 2026, 12:29 PM:
Yes but don't the bounty system create jobs for Chad and others.
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on June 10, 2026, 12:50 PM:
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 10, 2026, 02:06 PM:
As far as I know, nobody really likes the Nevada predator control program. It’s mainly by aircraft, I think usually fixed wing. I think the license fee includes $5 dedicated to predator control and they make sure that they spend the money. It’s almost entirely to the benefit of the agents, And, in my opinion, it’s unnecessary. Nevada might have a a good population of coyotes, but I have not heard where it is documented that they are impacting fawn survival? They are spending significant money on a nonexistent problem. JUst my opinion as an outsider. An outsider that has spent considerable time in Nevada, and I think their scorched earth policy is not justified.
El Bee 🐝
PS why not put their effort into a bounty system?
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Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on June 10, 2026, 04:24 PM:
I agree with Leonard. They don’t need to do the extensive Coyote control that they do in Nevada. Especially the scorched Earth aerial gunning. They have 300+ kill days in the plane some days and that’s ridiculous in my opinion.
I think when they had a number of Coyotes contests every year that that did a pretty good job of controling higher number of coyotes, but the tree huggers have gotten a lot of that shutdown. Or at least extremely regulated.
I heard they have talked about a bounty system similar to Utah’s but I don’t know it it has gone anywhere.
And Tim I don’t get any money from Nevada Coyotes. I do get bounty money in Utah. But I usually hunt the high country where there are bigger deer herds. And I don’t think I even put a dent in the coyote population. But I’ll gladly take there money.😉
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Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on June 10, 2026, 04:46 PM:
I looked it up and in 2021 Aerial gunning accounted for 4,665 coyotes killed in Nevada….
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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 11, 2026, 09:04 AM:
I don’t know if it’s true, but I suspect all of that aerial gunning is of the Leave ‘em lay type.
LB 🐝
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on June 11, 2026, 09:35 AM:
I know that when they do it here in Utah, they don’t retrieve them. Just shoot them and move on. So I’m sure that’s what they do In Nevada.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 11, 2026, 09:42 AM:
Yeah, and Utah has even less justification for an aerial control program. There is a reason why Utah hunters hunt Nevada. It’s better hunting and wide open access.
LB 🐝
Posted by JoeF (Member # 228) on June 29, 2026, 11:51 AM:
Mustang "rescue" is somewhat of a bad word in this family.
My son has a MIL who is involved in the rescue effort - and owns a horse trailer and isn't afraid to use it......
Somehow my son and wife are now the "proud owners" of 3 rescues. It must be permanent, they've been there a couple of years.
An adult mare who they worked with enough to be almost OK for an experienced rider.
Then twin colts - one has promise, the other is a crazy wild thing that would fuck up an anvil if they did not have good fence...
My son and his DVM wife have drawn the line - the MIL is wanting to haul her 5 rescues over and have them perform routine vet services like worming, etc....
Are glue factories still a thing?
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on June 29, 2026, 02:20 PM:
I don't know squat about horses but I do know something about the cost of hay bales for the archery range. Keeping a horse or three for a pet sounds pretty spendy.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 29, 2026, 07:36 PM:
Yeah, you don’t. They eat alfalfa. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
El Bee 🐝
Posted by JoeF (Member # 228) on June 29, 2026, 08:44 PM:
I was raised around horses.
Not living near mountains and thousands of unfenced acres and miles of trails with elk hunting along the way I'd be hard-pressed to come up with a single good reason to own even one horse.
Posted by earthwalker (Member # 4177) on June 30, 2026, 03:47 AM:
I grew up on horses. Use to figure $3.00 a day to keep a horse in the 60's. Have no idea now a days. Just know there are a lot of stupid women out there thinking they have giant dogs. Pasture Poodles.
I still have all my saddles, packs and even a full set of work harness for light horses( regular horse size).
Don't have a horse trailer.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 30, 2026, 09:14 AM:
Well, I think it’s pretty well known, that relationship between females and horses. I don’t even know where I’m going with it? But, it’s a certain stereotype. I guess it’s OK, live and let live. But men are always secondary.I don’t know but a good percentage ….oh never mind!
El Bee 🐝
Posted by earthwalker (Member # 4177) on June 30, 2026, 11:36 AM:
Too many Roy Roger shows growing up.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 02, 2026, 02:33 PM:
that must be it?
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on July 02, 2026, 06:18 PM:
I grew up around Horses, sheep, pigs, chickens and 100 head of dairy cows, and later on around cattle.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 02, 2026, 08:39 PM:
I rode a horse at a dude ranch in Phoenix once. That’s it.
lb 🐝
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on July 03, 2026, 03:30 AM:
Long ago in another world (Southern Calif.) a group of us would meet after work at a riding stable & rent horses for the morning. In an adjacent field we could race the horses with one exception; a horse named Joey. The best anybody could get out of this beast was a slow plodding walk after much boot heel encouragement to it's ribs. One morning we were standing around mocking Joey when one of the stable girls disagreed. 105 pounds, t-shirt, Daisy Duke shorts & barefoot. She jumped on that nag of a horse bareback and had it doing Barrel Racing drills at a full gallop.
We all just stood there in amazement ....... no doubt that knowing what you're doing helps. She did, we didn't, but yeah, there's something to that whole women / horses thing.
BTW; Down this way, the phrase "He rides like a Mexican" is NOT a slur, but rather, high praise.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on July 03, 2026, 07:15 AM:
we had horses on the family farm and many of friends had a few if you needed to ride. I rented a horse out by Rock springs Wyoming, mustang to be exact was a nice horse. When working there me and buddy would go up by Halfmoon lake on weekends and rent horses as well and travel up and down the mountains just south of the Tetons. Black hills in S.D. was another place I road around on horses, I had a appaloosa there i enjoyed ridding.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 03, 2026, 08:38 AM:
From what I have seen, Mexicans seem to be kinda mean riders. But I know what you mean, they look rather in charge, in the saddle. But what I mean is, they show not much affection for their horse, that’s what it looks like to me? I went to a Rodeo down in Pico/Rivera when I had a girlfriend that had a horse. So, just an observation by a complete novice.Actually, I think she kinda pointed out certain behaviors by the Charos.
El Bee 🐝
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on July 03, 2026, 04:47 PM:
Yeah the fucks love to use their spurs or flank hooks.
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