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Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on August 02, 2016, 07:58 AM:

Revolution E-Caller
Has tripod legs, built in decoy & can swivel 360° via remote control. Built in HD camera.
2000 sounds on SD card, nice carry handle.
Looks interesting...

Promo Video linky

Thoughts?

Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on August 02, 2016, 11:18 AM:

I made a post about this caller awhile back, I think TR said that Rick and company were still working the bugs out, but looks like its ready to go now. I think it has some neat features for sure.
Mark
edit: coons always crack me up coming to a call.

[ August 02, 2016, 01:15 PM: Message edited by: Lone Howl ]

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on August 02, 2016, 12:28 PM:

How did we ever call anything with just mouth calls ??

[Smile]

Seriously, it's a pretty awesome looking unit but just not for me for the same reason I shoot a recurve instead of a compound bow.
It's a `retro` thing.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 02, 2016, 04:55 PM:

Yeah, and you hitch the mule to the wagon for the trip to walmart, right?

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on August 02, 2016, 07:10 PM:

Nah, my mule failed the emissions test.
Weather permitting, I drive a '69 VW Dune Buggy.

[Cool]

Posted by TRnCO (Member # 690) on August 03, 2016, 05:29 AM:

it's getting close, real close, to hitting the street. A couple of last minute changes delayed it a bit, it was supposed to be ready for the streets this month.
IMO, the biggest feature will be the 100% original sound library with unmatched vocals. We've been playing with a variety of vocals the last few seasons and it's been quite interesting finding new sounds that will bring coyotes.
There's been several FoxPro guys that have heard some of the vocals and they're in line to get the sounds, once they figure out where and how. [Eek!]

Posted by 3 Toes (Member # 1327) on August 04, 2016, 02:19 PM:

quote:

IMO, the biggest feature will be the 100% original sound library with unmatched vocals.

Who judged that contest? I never even heard about it!

Posted by Patterson (Member # 3304) on August 07, 2016, 09:03 AM:

I second what TR said. His sound library is by far better than anyone else's I have heard. Years and years of coyote Vocals. Rick Paillet has spent a lot of his time and energy on his sounds the last half decade. I've been fortunate the last couple years to be "testing" all the sounds and helping him.

He has also been pretty nit picky about the call. I don't know how many times he has sent the call back to get a issue fixed or add something he wanted etc. He agreed to sign on with Luckyduck to design the caller and use his sounds as long as he had the final say. For all of our sakes that was a good thing. Not just a average call that was thrown out into the market.

I don't really care about the camera or decoy much. But some of the other cool features like the on demand call turning tripod or the way it updates the caller/remote are cool to me. Simply put a SD card in with your sounds and folders on it. Turn on the remote and the remote wirelessly updates to the call. No more taking the call apart and using wires etc.

If you are a volume guy this thing gets LOUD. Spent hours with Rick listening to the call with it pointed at us making sure each sound sounded right and no hiccups. You can also control the Gain on this call remotely. So some sounds can be cranked up even louder if you want. Personally I am not a super loud call type of guy but, it is very loud if you want it. Remote has also been tested to 1/4 mile without line of sight. Also something I don't really need but it's there.

Great group of guys worked on this call and sounds with Rick, TR and Geoff.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 07, 2016, 08:09 PM:

Well, good luck. You know it's already a saturated market, so the odds might be against you. Of course, it helps to have a good product but the most important part is to price it right, That calls for vary careful market evaluation.

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on August 08, 2016, 09:27 AM:

Like Dustin and TR, I have been part of the beta testing process as well. The judges have been those who've seen this library put to use in the field. I made the statement more than once that this library would redefine the e-caller marketplace when it came out. And, it has. I'm not at liberty to specify exactly how that came to be, but you'll have to take my word for it that the major players in the market were trying their best to get hold of these sounds because they had seen their results as well. I advised Rick on a number of things to do with the sounds, how to get his coyotes to cooperate, etc.. Let's just leave it at saying that my beat up old Minaska Ultimate One plays, while the other callers sit on the back floor board waiting for their turn. The only coyotes we haven't called with these sounds in 2-3 years now have been called with my own mouth calls, usually because of a dead battery.

Season before last, we hunted roughly the same amount of time as other seasons prior. First season to really exploit this library. We hunted the same pieces of ground - 40-acre to half-section parcels - over and over and over - depending upon this library's variety, changing up time of day, approach, cadence and where we sat - and killed 105 coyotes between the two of us. All while working our regular jobs, hunting daytime only. Sundays and the occasional Saturday, with a weekday or two thrown in when available. Simply unheard of by anyone else in this area, and more of a challenge in farm country than in big range country. I've hunted both.

I would like to take the credit for attaining that bucket list goal, but much of the credit goes to the library on the new e-caller and properly exploiting it.

Kinda sad to see it coming out finally. Been an advantage up to now. LOL

Posted by 3 Toes (Member # 1327) on August 09, 2016, 05:29 AM:

Well, there you have it! Lance says it's best. So it must be.

I know I'm convinced.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 09, 2016, 07:44 AM:

I must say, Cal, you are taking it well. lol

Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on August 09, 2016, 08:17 AM:

Well I guess I better sell the Foxpro and all my hand calls, so I can call in some Coyotes with these special sounds. lol

Posted by TRnCO (Member # 690) on August 09, 2016, 09:32 AM:

With the country side being littered with Fox pro sounds, I think it would be a good thing to have a whole new selection of different sounds, but hey, if what you run works, stick with it.
Lot of guys still use rabbit distress only, good for them. BUT someday they might discover that vocals can be just as effective, if not more so, during certain times of the year. And we're not just talking about howls and pup distress.
But there is a reason that Rick was offered a heck of a lot of money for his sounds from a competitor. They judged the few that he let them hear to be very good.

Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on August 09, 2016, 10:38 AM:

But there is a reason that Rick was offered a heck of a lot of money for his sounds from a competitor. They judged the few that he let them hear to be very good.

I'll just leave this right here so y'all can read it twice.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 09, 2016, 12:19 PM:

So, how about a little background? Who is Rick and where and how did he collect this extensive library of sounds?

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by TRnCO (Member # 690) on August 09, 2016, 12:48 PM:

Rick Paillet, maker of the Verminator line of calls.
As far as the second part of your question, for now let's just say he spent many a night at the local zoo where there just so happens to be some very vocal coyotes. O.K., maybe not, but some things need not be broadcast.

Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on August 09, 2016, 03:22 PM:

Well it sounds like they have a great Marketing Dept. to say the least.

Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on August 09, 2016, 04:51 PM:

As Tim said, Rick Pailett, who used to run with Randy Anderson. Rick has been working on this new caller and library for at least five years that I can recall. Two seasons ago, he provided four of us with the sounds he had finalized and finished out in order for us to field test them and give him our feedback. The four of us were myself, Dustin Patterson, Geoff Nemnich and TR. You can hear some of the sounds being demo'd on Facebook on Rick's page. If you don't do FB, you're SOL.

I know from my personal experience that they are the most effective sounds I've ever used. Extremely clean, and complete. By that, I mean that many of the vocalizations haven't been edited and pared down to remove what some might consider to be unnecessary extraneous sounds which, to the coyotes, may very well be part of the actual sound being made. Things like grunts and growls, and the same with jacks and cottontails. All live animals and all full sound files, from the first squeak to the final gasp. Having personally witnessed thousands of jackrabbits die in the jaws of greyhounds back in "the day", I've always been sorely disappointed at the quality of leporid distress sounds available for e-callers. Again, Rick's are the best I've ever heard.

As has been pointed out, my opinion and a buck will get you coffee at McDonalds, so who better to judge the quality of this library than the coyotes themselves.

As I stated earlier, we took 105 coyotes the first season, between my gunner and me when we were hunting together. The most we've ever gotten.

The first year the library was in testing, Nemnich won the World using these sounds. He and Patterson won it last year with this library. I believe that, between the two hunts, 30-32 coyotes liked them enough to die for the cause. Add in the pile of fur taken down by me, TR, and Rick and his daughter and partners, and that's a pretty favorable judging, IMO.

It's been a tough two years of hunting. People knew I was using a caller full of new and magical sounds. Never had so many new friends buddying up to me since I closed my taxidermy shop. The four of us were sworn to limit access to hearing the sounds, and were and remain absolutely forbidden from sharing them with other people.

Learned some interesting stuff during the process though. The most surprising is that just because a coyote's howl is low, low, low, that doesn't mean it's an old dog or even a male. We have one clip of a 2-month old puppy letting out a long, deep howl that sounded about as sad and mature male as you would ever think a coyote could sound. Shocking to see it come from such a tiny body.

As far as I know, the only way to get these sounds will be to buy the Revolution Caller. They will not be made available individually or as just sound sets. The price of the caller is reasonable and I know for a fact that Rick spent a bizarre amount of time tweaking and improving this unit to make sure it is high quality and durable.

Here's a YouTube video of Geoff, Rick and one of Geoff's friends using the Revolution.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3n_dvYDAb4

[ August 09, 2016, 05:06 PM: Message edited by: Cdog911 ]

Posted by 3 Toes (Member # 1327) on August 09, 2016, 07:29 PM:

Yep, I'm satisfied Leonard. If guys like Geoff say it's so then it must be. Of course I do remember that the last time I saw Geoff on tv was for MOJO and he was showing a MOJO call while running a Foxpro out of sight of the camera and running Foxpro sounds that I recorded. So has he REALLY been running Ricks stuff? We will never know.

They obviously do have some stuff that works, but to wholesale claim the best vocalizations isn't going to cut it with me. Some may be great sounds, every company has a few good ones. But I wouldn't say anyone has it all. Johnny Stewart has a few good ones, I've heard that WT does also and I'm sure they do. Foxpro has some good stuff and now Rick does, but I don't think anyone is dominating.
What works one place may suck another and if the person running the call doesn't know what they are doing and what to play when using vocalizations it doesn't work. And to top that off there is some 4S stuff out there that NO ONE else has. I'm sure I'm not the only one with stuff never released or sold that kicks ass. I killed over 200 coyotes on the ground in the last two months with my sounds and Foxpros, so apparently some of it works.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 09, 2016, 10:05 PM:

The more things change, the more they seem the same. In other words, this reminds me, (a little) of the Minaska, Wildlife Tech, Foxpro wars of days gone by.

So now we have some claims that if you pay attention, there are some new secret "magic" coyote vocalizations that will soon be introduced.

So far, Cal says he has killed 200 coyotes in the past few months. Lance said he and partner killed, I believe he said, 105 this past season. So, if that means anything....and it doesn't, BTW, then the coyotes are voting with their feet for Cal's unpublished sounds.

I'm just stiring the shit a little bit. Please correct me where I'm wrong. These are only preliminary entries anyway. Right?

Don't foreget, Lance is so convinced, he closed his taxidermy business, so we should factor that in, as well. Which is worth a buck ninety-eight. (just kidding)

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on August 10, 2016, 02:37 PM:

The two are unrelated, LB.

To level the field a bit, the bigger question is how much mail has Cal delivered the past two months? I'm guessing none. That's not what he does for a living. He does hunt coyotes for a living, so the numbers aren't all that surprising to me. Comparing apples to oranges. I'd be killing them now, too, but I'm a fur harvester and do everything I can to put people off killing them if we can affect other changes to their operation to eliminate the problem. Not feasible in WY, easily done in KS. I did have one call two months ago. Coyote killing exotic fowl. Assessed the situation. Went in. Killed the coyote inside three minutes. No recurrence. No other calls. Didn't need to kill 199 others to get the same results. [Wink]

Having said that, I can agree that most everyone has a few good sounds. But, because of good ol' fashioned fair market capitalism, the bar keeps getting raised higher and higher. I've heard Cal's sounds and I don't doubt he's gone to a lot of work and expense to put those sounds out there. I also know firsthand how hard Rick has worked to produce some of the best vocals I've ever heard.

It's the off season. Cal's the only one hunting. My producers are starting to check in to let me know where they'll be September calving in hopes I'll get out there and do a little preventive maintenance work. I had knee surgery last week and am chomping at the bit to get out of bed and off the sofa. My partner has had two separate surgeries in the last 6 weeks and he's recovering as quickly as possible, too. Gonna slow us down, but we'll be there com e hell or high water.

I've hit the 100 mark now. Doing that on one, maybe two days a week, while working regular jobs fulltime, over the span of a fur season was brutally hard work and did a lot of damage. Neither of us was getting around very well, having pushed ourselves hard, when we got a call from a large cattle op. Took 14 coyotes in ten days off their place. Calved 0ver 200 new calves. No losses. First time for them ever.

Fact is, it's the crazy season. We're all itching to do some hunting. Too hot. Too many ticks and bugs. Had a friend almost died from a tick bite two weeks ago. Not eager to face that myself. Nothing better to do but start a few dialogues. My team versus your team. An American tradition.
24 days until college football kicks off. Cannot wait. Have to watch pros this year as one of my friends son - kid played with my boy - went second round in the NFL draft and will be starting O-guard for the Chicago Bears.

Sitting here watching daytime TV. Thought I'd like a brief respite from work. Bored as hell.

Sleep. Watch TV. Do knee exercises. Sleep some more. Limp outside to smoke a cigar. Pee. Repeat. LOL

[ August 10, 2016, 03:21 PM: Message edited by: Cdog911 ]

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 11, 2016, 07:23 AM:

I promise, Lance. I am 99% neutral. On the other hand, the claims do evoke a moderate amount of skepticism. "Best Ever" etc. As in, who's opinion? Some responses here tend to be slightly irksome.

"Unmatched vocals"

"redefine the e-caller marketplace"

(this next one rubbed me wrong, for some reason?)

"let's just say he spent many a night at the local zoo where there just so happens to be some very vocal coyotes. O.K., maybe not, but some things need not be broadcast."

" new and magical sounds"

....and so on.

I'd like to point out that statements such as, "best I've ever heard" have little value. (at least with this group)

Come on! If you have a good product, those of us curious enough to buy this machine will have a chance to evaluate all the secret sounds. Otherwise, like me, I'm not really that curious to pay, based on the testimonials.

Sure, Lance has been around a while and killed a few coyotes so his opinion is worth considering. But, do I care what he thinks is the best ever? That's right up there with what kind of beer he prefers.

I don't know much about Patterson or TR so what they think and what they say has to be taken ; you know? with a grain of salt; no offense intended. I do know Cal, and he is no bullshit artist/while not saying anybody else might be?

Now, as to claims that somebody won a big hunt with these secret sounds, well.... There is so much about statements like that, that get into variables. I have personally killed enough animals that these body count claims do not impress me, especially if it's all attributed to secret sounds, period. Location and locked gates had nothing to do with it. (I've hunted Mexico, so my point is: apples and oranges) Same thing when you say "Hey, I killed all these animals in farm country!"

Anyway, please. Keep it up! And, keep it contained. Interesting dialogue, to say the least!

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by TRnCO (Member # 690) on August 11, 2016, 09:32 AM:

quote:
"let's just say he spent many a night at the local zoo where there just so happens to be some very vocal coyotes. O.K., maybe not, but some things need not be broadcast."

Since I am the offender in this case let me clarify by saying this, do you expect a guy that is getting sounds that no one else has ever recorded to tell everyone how he did it? Damn, that would be like broadcasting someone's secret sauce recipe that they got from grandma.
What Rick has done has not been done, or at least the sounds have never been released by anyone if they did capture the sounds. What we're saying is there are sounds on this call that simply aren't available, as in unmatched, on any other call, and we've found that they work. Once again, not just talking pup distress and howls. there's plenty of other sounds that they make. And yes, there will be a learning curve for people that decide to try them, just as there was a learning curve for everyone at one point or another any ways, especially when it comes to vocals. Hell, it wasn't long ago that using howls to call coyotes was far from main stream, and dang near everyone does it now. These new sounds will be opening new horizons, much like howling did.
For those that are tired of sitting down to do some calling and hearing someone on the neighboring property blaring fox pro sounds, there's now going to be a way to change things up. It's really just that simple.

Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on August 11, 2016, 10:20 AM:

I guess what doesn't pass the smell test for me. And I sure as hell don't have to defend Cal here. His sounds speak for themselves. I can say I have called hundreds of Coyotes with his Coyote vocals. So these new sounds have never been heard before, are they from a magic Coyote or something. Wouldn't a Coyote whether it be Cal's or Rick's make the same sounds? Seems to me they would. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck as the saying goes.

Posted by TRnCO (Member # 690) on August 11, 2016, 10:28 AM:

never said that they hadn't been heard before, but they sure as heck aren't available on any calls, any where.

[ August 11, 2016, 10:29 AM: Message edited by: TRnCO ]

Posted by JP (Member # 4095) on August 11, 2016, 10:37 AM:

So, when will the unwashed masses be able to buy this caller?

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 11, 2016, 10:44 AM:

I'm just thinking that it's a progression. At one time cottontail 101C was a killer sound until it was beat to death. So later we have everybody playing with their Foxpro sounds while being criminally careless about their downwind and their approach, while chitchatting and thereby educating every coyote in the county, by the time he spent all day, etc.

So now, Foxpro's no good, the sounds are worn out, they have been loudly overused and now we need Rick the Savior with his new secret sounds.

The point is, it's never enough for all these spoiled brats. You have to hand it to them on a silver platter.

I'll tell you one thing. Before the popularity explosion, I could play the same 6 sounds for 20 years and as long as you kill the damned coyote, they never smartened up. Not until these idiots started playing their Foxpro on the hood of their truck while they casually smoked a cigarette, sitting on the tailgate. Next thing you know, these sounds ain't worth a shit!

When I owned the whole state and neighboring states, I never worried about tape quality. Now, it requires studio quality, or the coyotes won't come and you are wasting your time. Time passes and now the hot ticket is vocals. Well guess what folks. You can still fuck up coyote vocals with sloppy stand behavior.

People are lazy and the "learning curve" is getting shorter all the time. Pretty soon, magic sounds won't be enough. The problem is, this new breed of coyote hunter is nothing but a bunch of spoiled brats. End of rant!

Good hunting. El Bee

edit: one day, the newest sound will be total silence.The coyotes will be so curious about what's making all that quiet out there, they will have to come check it out. I think a solution would be to license these NIMRODS. That's our problem, too many dipshit coyote callers out there. You guys think I'm kidding, don't you? We are our own worst enemy, fuking it up for everybody. Magic sounds will not be the solution for very long. The's no solution. E callers is the problem, too many instant experts out in the weeds.

[ August 11, 2016, 10:56 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]

Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on August 11, 2016, 11:39 AM:

That was very well said Leonard. I couldn't agree more.

Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on August 11, 2016, 12:23 PM:

I agree, as well. Then again, I've often times said that less can be more and being quiet can sometimes be the ticket to get one to step out.

[ August 11, 2016, 12:26 PM: Message edited by: Cdog911 ]

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 11, 2016, 01:43 PM:

Thank you! I will tell all y'all's, that I have watched coyotes actually run the other way, the second I turn on a Foxpro. Partner had the caller and I am sitting quite some distance away, in a good position to observe what happened. Coyote not only doesn't know that partner is where he is, nor that I am where I am. Coyote right away runs in the opposite direction, towards the nearest elevation where he can get up there and scan the whole area. These coyotes have been mishandled and are suspicious of any sound, even the old reliable hand calls.

Why is that? Because, even if it's private property, the owner is an idiot with a Foxpro and he is educating every damned coyote on his property. So, he thinks a good response is when he spots a coyote that was hunkered down in a cozy little wash and by chance, notices a coyote actually running straight away from the caller.

You can't fix stupid! These guys have a $600 machine that flushes coyotes out of their hiding places so that he can bang away as they high tail it for the ridge line!

Disgusting. It really is. But if he buys these new "magic vocals" things will change. Not when you think the secret to hunting coyotes is a new machine without a friggin' clue as to how to use it!

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on August 11, 2016, 04:56 PM:

Caller (latest electronics), tripod (to get the sound nice and loud), decoy (reminds me of lures designed to catch fishermen) and finally a video camera? Seriously?

As one who's seen a guy call from his truck with his FoxPro, drive a little further and call again, probably with a GoPro on his hat, I'm delighted to see a new caller that will fit right in to this market full of look at me, spoon fed, impatient "hunters" out there.

I guess I'm getting old. But I did get FoxBang added to my CS24 this summer so maybe not...

Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on August 11, 2016, 05:20 PM:

(Sigh)....boys and their toys. And I want one!
Mark

[ August 11, 2016, 05:22 PM: Message edited by: Lone Howl ]

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on August 11, 2016, 07:18 PM:

So...........with this new call to end all calls soon to be on the market, I can expect to start seeing some barely used FoxPros on EBay going for about $40 each ????

[Big Grin]

Posted by Lonny (Member # 19) on August 12, 2016, 06:17 AM:

When somebody comes out with an e-caller that can produce a believable holographic image of a mouse, rabbit, bird, and coyote all at the push of a button, I'm all in.

Just make sure the remote can be easily operated with gloves on and the price is under $300... Oh, it's gotta be a camo pattern of some flavor also.

Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on August 12, 2016, 06:40 AM:

That is a great idea : ) And a snow cone maker as well!
Mark

Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on August 12, 2016, 07:15 AM:

Good thinkin' !! I'd like things to be more convenient, maybe a heater for winter ?

I sure wish I could find a pizza joint that would deliver while out there. Packing a cold lunch is a pain..(sigh)

Posted by Lonny (Member # 19) on August 12, 2016, 07:21 AM:

Lone Howl, my friend, don't get sidetracked here by unnecessary bells and whistles...

You need to be thinking knife sharpener and ammo carrier... Something every serious hunter needs on an e-call for sure.

Keep your eye on the prize!

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on August 12, 2016, 08:05 AM:

Well Hell..........
If it's got a video monitor and it rotates.......
replace the decoy controls with a solenoid on the shotgun's trigger and I can go back and sit in the truck and watch on a monitor from there. When the coyote comes in, press `trigger` & hit `send`.

Laugh now..........and wait. [Eek!]

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 12, 2016, 08:23 AM:

As long as we are wishing; would it be too much to ask for a Starbucks dispenser. I mean, sometimes, it's cold and you really could use a latte' while you are awaiting the arrival. The pizza idea is okay for lunchtime, but at the crack of dawn, wouldn't you really want your latte' on the tripod? I know I would. If somebody suggests a Double/Double, that's really sick.

Good hunting. El Bee

edit: BTW "he who shall not be mentioned" has weighed in on the subject, if only to poo poo Lance's credentials.

[ August 12, 2016, 08:37 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]

Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on August 12, 2016, 08:28 AM:

LOL..all joking aside...I really am going to buy one I think.
Mark

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 12, 2016, 08:39 AM:

but, still wondering the price? Or is money no object?

Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on August 12, 2016, 09:10 AM:

I believe the ad I saw, mentioned a price point of $399.00?

Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on August 12, 2016, 09:36 AM:

Thats what I saw as well.

Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on August 12, 2016, 09:38 AM:

If anyone has any extra cash laying around, please send.
Mark

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 12, 2016, 11:37 AM:

Well, BS, that's a trivial amount for secret sounds! The experts amongst us, that's little more than chump change. Think about it, they should get $599 minimum, for sounds of this quality.

He who shall not be named asks/whines:? 360 degrees? That's bogus, nobody does, at least I don't? Lance? Who?

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on August 12, 2016, 05:15 PM:

I'm okay with his opinion, LB. Funny that you would use the term "poo poo" when referring to it, since that's what it's worth.

I was gonna suggest to Rick that the next upgrade be a reloading unit. Shoot, police brass, slide into slot and it immediately reloads the shell and drops it into a small slot for later retrieval.

Yeah, Poo Poo's been offering up sage advice behind the scenes to others. Still a dip shit.

Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on August 12, 2016, 07:06 PM:

lol

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 13, 2016, 07:19 AM:

Oh yeah? Well, he has a lot more to say. I should set up a private channel, maybe charge admission?

He, (popo) especially wants Lance to justify the 360 degree sound, (and it's my guess) this latest innovation, policing up brass. which does seem a little radical?

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on August 13, 2016, 12:10 PM:

Hmmm....the camera needs to be able to pan 360 without the call. You know, so I can film all the coyotes that roll up behind me....cause you know...my setups aint right. Sarcasm included.
Mark

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on August 13, 2016, 02:29 PM:

I can sorta see where the 360* rotation would be an issue with `him`.
When Gerald Stewart holds the speaker up and points it in different directions, no big whoop.
As I remember, though, when `him` advocated doing the same thing he got hammered on it pretty hard.
Now, 360* rotation is a selling point ??
Yeah, I could understand being a wee bit miffed on that one.

[Eek!]

El Bee;
I've been told that if a Warden wants to be a dick, he can cite you for littering if you have a coyote in your possession and no (fresh) empty brass.

[ August 13, 2016, 02:32 PM: Message edited by: Kokopelli ]

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 13, 2016, 04:19 PM:

quote:

El Bee;
I've been told that if a Warden wants to be a dick, he can cite you for littering if you have a coyote in your possession and no (fresh) empty brass.

Oh well, They'll never take me alive!

I had a sheriff actually sniff the barrel on the only gun he saw in my vehicle; my Combat Commander. Of course, he never even noticed all the firearms laying around in the back of the camper, all loaded. He was looking for somebody that discharged a gun possibly sorta within the city limits of Gila Bend. I sure hope he finds him. That's against the law! (just kidding) 'Course, there weren't any witnesses, either.

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on August 13, 2016, 04:23 PM:

Before I explain the 360* feature to PooPoo, I feel the "urge" to thank him publicly. Since my knee surgery, I've been on and off Norco which has, as it is wont to do, caused my plumbing to bind up a bit. Turns out that every time I read any reference to PooPoo, I feel this sudden urge to shit. Feeling much better now.

As to the rotation feature of the new call, although the caller can turn 360 full degrees, it also has a setting for it to turn 180-degrees, like a lawn sprinkler. Unlike PooPoo, Rick is a thinker, and Rick foresaw the value of being able to use a "scan" feature with this caller to make it move left to right, back and forth.

I see one of the primary benefits of this feature being in those instances when I don't call the coyote's approach perfectly and the damned thing pops out to the left or right of where the caller is pointed. With the scan feature, you can turn the caller from 300 feet away to face directly toward where your target is at. Might be handy on a windy day. Those of us in tornado country fully understand and appreciate the increase in volume of a large speaker pointing straight at you versus to one side or away. Tornado sirens typically rotate 360* and while they're very tolerable pointing to your left or right, pointing straight at you within 6 city blocks is enough to ring your ears and, closer, to flutter your eyelids.

I guess if PooPoo'd designed this caller, he'd have just made the thing start spinning like a top with no ability to control that movement at all. Maybe he'd like one mounted on a hard hat rather than the OEM tripod?

Non-thinker. Whoodathunk?

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 13, 2016, 05:20 PM:

That's a pretty good explanation. It probably has value? 180 sounds like a workable feature.

Hey, I do Norco! It's called for my "breakout" pain. Normally, I just do morphine sulfate. Both are controlled substances.

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 13, 2016, 07:58 PM:

You people aren't going to believe this but poo poo likes koko! What do they call that? Bro-something?

Except, he thinks he is wasting his time with the sticks and string stuff. Oh and he's got pups for sale, too.

And, he thinks Lance may be a junky? Then, what am I? I bet he doesn't even take the good Norco 10/325?

Good hunting. El Bee

edit: talk about pain meds. I know a guy, ran into him at the pharmacy, but known him since HS. He told me he takes 6 Norco every day. And, I failed to ask him: for what?

[ August 13, 2016, 08:04 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]

Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on August 13, 2016, 08:28 PM:

Thanks to this thread, I need a Norco.
Mark
PS..going night night..braving the heat tomorrow for some calling. Hope I live thru it.

Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on August 14, 2016, 11:16 AM:

Mine were just the pussy 7.5's. And no, I'm not a junky. Only used about ten of the 60 the doc gave me. Just toughed it out otherwise. Keep the rest around for little scrapes and shit, like if I traumatically amputate a limb or something.

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on August 14, 2016, 12:23 PM:

[Cool]

The sticks and string thing isn't what I do.
It's what I am.

Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on August 14, 2016, 05:16 PM:

I will be deer hunting with my recurve next weekend. Cant wait.

Went calling today, got up at 4am and hit the road at 4:30. Made my first stand around 6. Made a lot of quick stands checking out some new ground. Killed 3 yoy and a big male in pretty short order. So dang hot I was questioning my sanity for being there but had a good run. Killed 2 more around 1 or so and called it a day.
Good lord it was hot.
Mark

EDIT: 107 degrees...not hot by some standards but hot enough.

[ August 15, 2016, 07:07 AM: Message edited by: Lone Howl ]

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on August 14, 2016, 09:11 PM:

LoneDude;
What kind of 'curve are you shooting ??

Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on August 15, 2016, 05:29 AM:

TR, you mentioned a "learning curve" for sounds & wanted to touch upon that for a sec...

Current coyote vocalizations available from the few different call companies, it seems they've been labeled/named in a way so as to help in figuring out when, where & why to use them. IE, a "lone" howl, a "yip" howl, "pair" howls, "challenge" howl, etc...

With regard to these 'new' vocals, will there be any information included to explain the best/intended use of them? Or, are the names pretty much self-explanatory?

Just trying to wrap my head around what these new sounds could possibly be? Are they new takes on the generally accepted coyote vocabulary? Or, are they completely new and-as yet-unclassified sounds that don't fit in with what's already been established?

Not asking you to spill any beans, just being curious!

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 15, 2016, 05:53 AM:

Fair question(s) Fred. But, in some regard, it's the same old story, what one guy calls a "lone howl" another will say a similar sound is a "female invitation".

I don't think it matters much anyway. You might be trying to apply logic to your response. He might come romping in because your response was so illogical, it pissed him off.

The same principle that Bill Martz uses. He wants some ambiance sounds mixed in, like a scolding bluejay instead of a direct reply. If you punch up random responses, who knows? It might make enough sense to a female responding to an alpha male challenge.

Thankfully, this shit does not approach the level of rocket science. In fact, I sometimes think an off the wall sound is just as effective as one that is well thought out. I have some African sounds, for instance, prey sounds, that no coyote has ever heard, but they come in and check it out.

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on August 15, 2016, 07:05 AM:

Koko, Im shooting my ol Bob Lee Natural 64"/55@30". Shooting Goldtips with 2 blade Stinger broadheads.

Mark

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on August 15, 2016, 07:26 AM:

Cool !!
Bob Lee's bows (in my opinion) never got the full recognition that they were worthy of.

I'm using a Damon Howat Super Diablo 60" / 60 # @ 28.
2213s w/ Zwickey 2 blade Eskimos.

Heading up on the Rim in a couple of days to be closer to the sky. Deer & turkey and calling bear.
Trout in the river and Artic Grayling in the lake.
And mudbugs..........I'm taking a crawfish trap, too.

Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on August 15, 2016, 07:30 AM:

Leonard, the premise behind my questions were to (hopefully) shorten the learning curve & help minimize exposing a coyote to sound(s) that may not be appropriate for the given scenario we're trying to dupe them into reacting to.

I hear ya on the ambiguity regarding the terminology used to label certain howls. But, its all we got. Pretty much anyone with a clue can discern a plaintiff 'friendly' type howl, as compared to an aggressive or threatening one. After all, they're canines, and not many of us have much difficulty in determining the nature of barking dogs. Its easy to figure out what a dog is vocalizing about, but we're not afforded that luxury with a wild coyote...

That said, if a specific recorded coyote vocal was from a "female" and an "adolescent" at that, as a caller, I like to know that info. Whether it really matters on stand, can't know fo' sho'. Just sayin' that, having broader knowledge base of the specific animal & context each vocal was recorded in would likely be quite beneficial to its application, on stand...

[ August 15, 2016, 07:34 AM: Message edited by: knockemdown ]

Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on August 15, 2016, 07:31 AM:

That sounds like a good time! Good luck.
Mark

Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on August 15, 2016, 07:47 AM:

Leonard, there's alot of truth to what you said in that last post. There is a Coyote Vocals on my Foxpro that to my ear sounds like shit. But by hell I've called alot of coyotes with this sound. Where sometimes when I try to get really technical and think I'm communicating with them I get nada.lol

Good Hunting Chad

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 15, 2016, 09:25 AM:

Thank you, Chad. Sometimes, I think we are being too smart for our own good. Like they say in Texas, a squeaky brake drum will not only call in a coyote, he might chase your truck all the way to the next stand.

Well, I once had something funny happen, down on the res. Okay, it was a German Shepard, not a coyote, but it could have happened, you know? Two stands that fucker showed up and busted my stand, all friendly like.

Look. I have called in coyotes just by arguing with my partner. Several times, in fact. They are just curious and seem to realize that the focus isn't on them.

Byron South, part of the reason he has some weird ideas is because while building ranch gates, the neighboring coyotes would just lounge around and watch humans at work. Sometimes it all changes when you turn around and look at them and talk about them. They aren't stupid, they know when you are looking at them.

Good hunting. El Bee

edit: this could generate another thread. I am thinking of the folks that sneak into a stand, stay off the skyline and think the coyotes are posting lookouts and bust you before you even get half way to your stand. Yeah, well maybe? But sometimes going about your business will cause no reaction in bedded down coyotes. That's why we wait a few minutes before starting our stand. They don't always think they are the subject of your activity....thank God!

[ August 15, 2016, 09:32 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on August 15, 2016, 01:35 PM:

El Bee;
Your last paragraph pertains to more than just coyotes.
One of my favorite ways to hunt game animals with the stick is to get on a gated two-track, power-line or pipe-line cut, get right with the wind and just casually stroll along. If there's any cover a goodly number of animals will either remain in their beds or just stand there to watch you walk on by. No herky jerky movements or eye contact and the odds of getting a shot are pretty good.
Obviously it works better on forky's than the big bucks but there once was a 4 X spike that was something of a legend on Catalina Isl. until I shot it in it's bed while strolling along.

Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on August 17, 2016, 11:57 AM:

Nice to know I've dropped off dipshit's radar. [Razz]

I thought the 360 thing, in this case, was (mainly) for the camera? ...which I don't need (on an e-caller), either.

A few crumbs of validity doesn't validate "his" theories in entirety. [Wink]

*I never said he's 100% wrong.

*I feel even more lucky, now, that I can make a wide variety of sounds with a wide variety of hand calls.

Mark,

It was 107 here, that day, too... I bet nobody that knows would trade a 107 degree day there for one here.

It's killing me. [Roll Eyes]

Krusty

[ August 17, 2016, 11:59 AM: Message edited by: Krustyklimber ]

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 17, 2016, 01:07 PM:

I like to shake things up by referencing our buddy in Minneesota. And, it DOES shake things up. lol Or, as we say, stimulates discussion....gotta admit it.

You know, I never had an actual "valid reason" to ban him. Being a jerk is not a valid reason, and not listed on the registration page. But it was more or less a demand for a public lynching.

Therefore, when he chimes in, on occasion, (depending) on my mood, I'm going to throw it out there and see what kind of uproar ensues. Never fails.

Hey, it amuses me!

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on August 17, 2016, 06:11 PM:

Crickets.

Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on August 19, 2016, 07:36 AM:

I know that many of you do not frequent other sites for predator hunting discussion, and I don't as much as I did at one time. But, he has definitely made a name for himself, and not in a good way. he is considered to be the biggest dumbshit to erupt on the calling scene in years, and that is the consensus web-wide. You can approach just about anyone, anywhere, where all things calling are being debated or discussed and people will start either shaking their heads or laughing at mere mention of his name. He has made an adjective of himself. I actually have seen someone do something stupid as shit when calling and heard or seen someone else with them just speak his name in reference to the guy that fucked up, using his very name as a major insult. If I recall, there were a number of people who threatened to leave your board if you continued to allow him to post, myself included. His name on the roles has compelled me to delete more than one site from my favorites menu. You can reeducate ignorance, you can reteach dumb, but you can't fix stupid.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 19, 2016, 09:33 AM:

I don't know where I got this touch of fairness and tolerance for Internet behavior? I think we are being childish when monkey piling on somebody and I have always defended the victim. Yeah sure, opine on what somebody does or says, but really?

I just read something this morning about some president of a gun company complaining that he was deleted from Facebook because as a policy, Facebook is blind to the fact that they discriminate against anything related to guns. Then it got him in trouble on Instagram, I believe?

Then there is all the banning and censorship on Twitter. It goes on and on. I don't like it and I have never had an account on Facebook or twitter just because of their policies towards gun owners. They are friggin' bullies and I equate it the same way as described by Lance as justification for picking on "he who shall not be named."

I said; (bewildered) " He hasn't pissed me off, I have no basis for banning him?" But, I banned him to quell the lynch mob. But I post a few of his email statements now and then. Why he should anger so many people, I do, and I don't understand?

He's gone, what's the sense in Lynching his corpse, to teach it a lesson? He can't hurt you, Lance. You would quit a site you have been involved with for 14 years because of that asshole? Somebody besides him looks a little bit small. (just kidding, just kidding) I know he enflamed a lot of people but so does Hillary. Ya know? Blow it off!

Good hunting. El Bee

PS and, he's not my friggin' buddy! Not by a long shot. Actually, he did me a small favor, once. And, for that, I will treat him fairly

Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on August 19, 2016, 03:09 PM:

I wouldn't leave any particular site out of any sort of malice. I enjoy the logical flow of dialogue and his interjections and interruptions to that flow just pet me wrong. There are a few people in this world that I just don't care for. He's become one of them. I'm sure there are those that like him and his contributions to the internet. More power to them. I just happen to not be one of that crowd.

Like a lot of folks, the internet has evolved for me in the past, say, five years. Prior to then, I had a list of sites I checked each day, making the circuit thru each of them to see what the guys I knew were posting. Just prior to the time you showed him the door, I couldn't go to a single calling-related site anywhere without having to muddle through thread after thread that had gone off the rails because those who started it or those who were keeping it alive were up in arms about his asinine remarks and misguided ideas. I just quit showing up at most places for long periods of time because I found better things to do than deal with that. I know a lot of other folks who did the same.

Today, I check Facebook to see who's saying what. I check my actual email about once every three weeks if I'm not actually waiting on something being sent that way, and 99% of my interactions with callers around the country are handled through texting. Part of that is due to the normal evolution of technology, and part of that is due to the fact that I go to various sites to relax and interact with friends, not be frustrated by conflict and confrontation over every little thing. I can easily find all I need of that right here in the real world.

Maybe it's just me...

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 19, 2016, 06:42 PM:

He's pretty much throttled, Internet wise, not a friend in the world except for his sub-zero Minneesota crew?

Hey, he could use a friend to text with.... be bigger than he is, Lance. Be charitable, you can afford it.

Think about it.

edit: he writes back: I do too have friends other than my Minn. crew!

[ August 20, 2016, 05:31 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]

Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on August 21, 2016, 01:38 PM:

No anger here. No need for a lynching or another one, either.

He's been off my radar for a long time, despite attempts to make "flight". [Razz]

In Lance's defense... he's already been the bigger guy, at least once (*thanks again Lance).

Krusty

Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on August 22, 2016, 05:19 AM:

Pass the popcorn.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 22, 2016, 05:24 AM:

Why Paul? I'm surprised! I remember at the Pichacho Peak campout, you and he really bonded! Everybody was calling you two; The Twins?

PASS THE POPCORN !
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Oh man! That's nasty! Sorry Paul, the devil made me do it!

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