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Posted by Aaron Rhoades (Member # 4234) on December 10, 2013, 08:40 AM:

Anyone have any solid tips for calling the tough ones? 3 years ago we were doing pretty good, coyotes were coming into prey distress and we were killing a decent number of them. The last two years it seems like no matter what we do we can't call one in in this area. I talked to a bunch of different people and the general consensus is that everyone here has some kind of call and they are all educated now. Most people have a rifle in the pickup and take shots at them. Some say the numbers are down but I don't think that is the case as we have a little snow now and lots of tracks.

Posted by Fur_n_Dirt (Member # 4467) on December 10, 2013, 08:55 AM:

Man, what do you do when they figured out your game?

Personally, I just leave THAT area and usually don't go back. For every area that coyotes kick my ass, I get revenge in other areas..

However, there's lot's of areas in my neck of the woods, so I typically have options.

If they bark at the call, I've been successful in using a "coax" sound to bring them into a 150 yards or so.. very few times though.

In some areas when they "group" (not pack up, lol), I find they are extremely difficult to call in. I've done it a few times using some vocals in a combination that worked that time..

I wish I knew the silver bullet..

[ December 10, 2013, 08:56 AM: Message edited by: Fur_n_Dirt ]

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 10, 2013, 09:09 AM:

Well, normally, in pressured areas, when daylight stands are unproductive, night hunting is the answer. Then again, if they are really light shy, day stands with coyote vocals is your best chance.

But, make no mistake, fucking Foxpro is responsible for all these smart coyotes. Not kidding, years ago, you could call "packs" of coyotes with a Weems or Circe jackrabbit. Still works, but it's not like before.

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on December 10, 2013, 09:27 AM:

If you have snow and can hunt under a full moon, give that a try. Some areas where I can't get them to show themselves during daytime or with a light, the full moon strategy works.

Or....if you can hunt with some FLIR, go that route. Can't use that here or else I'd have some.

[ December 10, 2013, 09:27 AM: Message edited by: TundraWookie ]

Posted by Moe (Member # 4494) on December 10, 2013, 09:48 AM:

"But, make no mistake, fucking Foxpro is responsible for all these smart coyotes.

Amen, brother. Here in Oregon Foxpros were flying off the shelves at all of the sporting good stores. Sportsman's Warehouse, GI Joes, Fisherman's Marine. And then there are the TV shows. Guys think that a Foxpro will make them an instant expert. Guys who in the old days maybe spent $3 on a call would blow on it a couple of times then stick it in a drawer. Not many people really believed the call would work but now we have Les Johnson and guys like him to show that they do work.

We used to go out in the country and none of the locals did any calling. Now no mater where you go there are guys hunting year around making coyotes smart.

Posted by Aaron Rhoades (Member # 4234) on December 10, 2013, 09:49 AM:

I don't really like the idea of leaving the area, instead, I would like to learn how to call these ones that have heard it all.

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on December 10, 2013, 10:12 AM:

Best thing to try on call shy coyotes is a #3 Victor Double Longspring.
[Smile]

Posted by Aaron Rhoades (Member # 4234) on December 10, 2013, 10:13 AM:

Most unfortunately, I can't here.

Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on December 10, 2013, 11:25 AM:

Put out a bait pile and camp out over it.

Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on December 10, 2013, 12:41 PM:

"But, make no mistake, fucking Foxpro is responsible for all these smart coyotes. Not kidding, years ago, you could call "packs" of coyotes with a Weems or Circe jackrabbit. Still works, but it's not like before."
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Bingo! Here is a method that I have seen work. Blow five or six screams with a Tally-Ho, and then shut the hell up. Just sit quietly and wait. It may take fifteen or twenty minutes, but the coyotes usually come looking for that rabbit.

Posted by jimanaz (Member # 3689) on December 10, 2013, 02:25 PM:

I believe one of the most knowledgeable members here was graciously offering his services to teach fail proof methods on tough coyotes a while back. Guy is an expert on EVERYTHING, lives in Minnesota, and is known affectionately as "dickweed".

If they're not responding to typical distress try something non-typical. Mix in some vocals and hold your stands a bit longer. I used to live by 10-12 minute stands. Not so much anymore.

Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on December 10, 2013, 02:26 PM:

I'm thinking blade of grass between the knuckles. Five screams, wait 5 minutes. Another 5 screams and lay silent for 2 hours. They're bound to come in at some point. Give them the bait pile like lots of wuff hunters sit over.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 10, 2013, 02:53 PM:

But, without a cattle prod from my partner, I can't keep my eyes open through those LOOOONG pauses. I mean seriously, maintaining mental acuity without drifting off to lala land. LB

Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on December 10, 2013, 02:59 PM:

Well then if this sound fails, ya better find a brand new area to call.
http://www.cronkpredatorcalls.com/sounds/RichCronklipSqueal.mp3

Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on December 10, 2013, 03:39 PM:

quote:
Mix in some vocals and hold your stands a bit longer. I used to live by 10-12 minute stands. Not so much anymore.

yep even Jimmy learned a few things from me.. [Big Grin]

Your seeing tracks all over but there is a good chance they are not hanging around that general area, move farther back into there terr. and give it a go..
Yeah F-P coyotes will show a little more caution, but they will still come... [Big Grin]

Edit to add. How about some pic.s of your stands and area you call in.

[ December 10, 2013, 03:41 PM: Message edited by: TA17Rem ]

Posted by Fur_n_Dirt (Member # 4467) on December 10, 2013, 05:25 PM:

Nice coaxer Rich!

Posted by Aaron Rhoades (Member # 4234) on December 10, 2013, 05:54 PM:

One thing I do know, it is just the area we are calling in. Three hours away we can call them in with just about any distress. We have tried most things, someone mentioned using vocals. I use vocals regularly anyway and although they will answer, they rarely come in. Typically I stay on stand 25-30 minutes, I have stayed an hour many times with still no noticeable increase in call ins so I usually don't waste my time anymore. Its to the point that I almost feel like not calling anything in a 2 hour radius anymore, might as well head 3-4 hours out where I know they will come in. But the main thing here is I don't want to give up on these local ones, I want to learn how to call them. We aren't doing anything different setup wise than we did before. Like I said, 3 years ago we did pretty good for what we have around here.

Posted by KaBloomR (Member # 4252) on December 10, 2013, 06:07 PM:

They are very hard to get in around here, as well. Just after the implementation of the bounty program, you couldn't find a small caliber centerfire rifle to purchase within a 50 mile radius of this place. The local Walmart has a predator calls section in the Sporting Goods department that would blow your mind.

p.s. Everyone swingin' dick around here has a Foxpro, too.

Posted by Lonny (Member # 19) on December 10, 2013, 06:09 PM:

I've noticed the same thing here over the past several years.

What has helped me is getting away from where the average guy goes. Walk further and hit places that are tougher to get to and get there early when coyotes are on the move. Most 2-3 times per year callers aren't willing to put in much effort for a coyote and don't like cold weather and early mornings.

Posted by Fur_n_Dirt (Member # 4467) on December 10, 2013, 06:41 PM:

I think shot gunners have a slight edge as well.. we go in thick stuff that doesn't make sense for a rifle which gets less called..

[ December 11, 2013, 05:38 AM: Message edited by: Fur_n_Dirt ]

Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on December 11, 2013, 06:01 AM:

"I use vocals regularly anyway and although they will answer, they rarely come in."
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AAron,
Which coyote vocal's are you using? I believe that friendly, lonesome sounding howls are usually the best. I rarely use barks because the younger coyotes may perceive the barks as aggression. Most younger guys tend to use a sharp "yip" or "bark" before their howl. They probably watch too many You tube video's. [Big Grin]

Posted by Aaron Rhoades (Member # 4234) on December 11, 2013, 07:08 AM:

Mostly young howls, non aggressive, not necessarily single coyote howls. But I have used the aggressive vocals on occasion to see if I could shake something loose and occasionally it does work.

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on December 11, 2013, 08:28 AM:

Where in Washington are you at ??
If it's the `Wet Side`, it's pretty much an exercise in futility. If you're on the East Side (A.K.A. Western Idaho ) you might try shotgunning the thick draws where you have about 40 yards visibility.
...............Or drive down to Fields Ore. [Cool]

Posted by NVWalt (Member # 375) on December 12, 2013, 06:09 AM:

That's the story everywhere. I live in a large county with less than 10,000 people in it and I think everyone here owns a foxpro and uses it. Lot's of coyotes.Just they don't care much for foxpros and for the most part the guys that don't know what they are doing and think their foxpro will do it all for them.I have to travel around to find areas that are not pounded to death by foxpro callers but they are still out there. And the single lonesome howl does seem to work for me here fairly well.

Posted by 3 Toes (Member # 1327) on December 12, 2013, 06:57 AM:

Pretty much everyone touched on it. Call less, walk further, stay longer, and stay in thicker cover if possible. I find that coyotes are staying to cover more, here it's sage. We used to call them out of it. Now we get in the damn stuff, and I mean right in it. Shotguns and short range stuff. If you are going to stay in the open, you better build a gun for it. And though LB don't like it, prepare for the 4 to 700 yard stuff.

edit to add...
Turn the damn volume down! Quit trying to call coyotes from the next county.

[ December 12, 2013, 07:00 AM: Message edited by: 3 Toes ]

Posted by Aznative (Member # 506) on December 13, 2013, 04:51 AM:

You won't get as many stands in but if you walk at least .5 preferably 1.0 mile away from the road and call towards the road, they seem to lower their defenses. Their are just too many people calling these days.

Posted by Chris S (Member # 3888) on December 18, 2013, 07:42 AM:

If it echoes, it's too loud.
Use hand calls with a "different and unusual" sound. Any call with a split reed or double stacked reed.

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