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Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on November 11, 2013, 09:36 AM:
 
After I found out you could get a CS-24C with the TX1000 remote, I had to have me one.

Got to use it for the first time the other day. First customer was a toad. Look at the belly on this sucker!



I weighed him, 39 pounds even. Not the biggest I ever killed, but probably in the top 15 biggest ever. Had to know what was in that belly. He'd been eating antelope. Heavy, heavy layer of fat on him. Not just on his back, he had fat all over. From the teeth, I'm guesing 5-6 years old.

Charged right up to the call, rolled him up 10 feet from it.

Ended up with 5 for the day. Absolutely in love with the TX1000 remote combined with the trusty old CS-24. Undoubtedly going to be my go-to for the next couple of years, until Foxpro comes up with something else I just gotta have.

- DAA
 

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Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on November 11, 2013, 10:13 AM:
 
Nice goin' Dave!
Would you mind expounding upon what additional features the new remote has, over the original 500?

And is that the 'big' 20-250 you are campaigning???
 

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Posted by Randy Roede (Member # 1273) on November 11, 2013, 10:27 AM:
 
Dave, full of antelope!

Has the Utah GFP or DNR, not sure what yours is called, seen any improvement in the survival rates of kids or fawns with the bounty in place this year?

If I had to guess with your already suppressed deer and antelope population the only hope would be a mange outbreak from coyote over population to see much of a difference. Unless you had some serious long line trappers and denners in the birthing areas.
 

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Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on November 11, 2013, 10:31 AM:
 
Fred, that's the 6/284, affectionately referred to as the Big Six. Same rifle as the Big Twenty, just a barrel swap. Shoots just as flat, too, with 55 NBT's at about 4300 fps. Have yet to lose a coyote hit with it, up to somewhere around 75 or so with it now. It makes big holes...

The remote... It's not just additional features over the old remotes. They really aren't even "remotely" similar, har-har-har, rim shot, boo, sorry, had to...

But, seriously, they aren't that similar. The display on the TX1000 is color and I find it easy to read in any light. The buttons are very different, much more positive feel to them, easier to use by braile, laid out completely different - and much better, IMO. There is no knob mess with on the TX1000. Navigation of your sound lists and the menus is VASTLY improved. You can do it the old fashioned linear sound list way if you want, but it also offers a "categories" method that is way better. It's basically the ability to put your sounds in folders and browse them just like you browse files on a computer. So I have a folder for my Presets, another called Rabbits, and another called Coyotes, one called Birds, etc. You just select the folder and open it to get a pre-filtered sound list. So for me, I have not more than maybe 20 sounds in any one folder, which makes browsing them on the fly much simpler. Oh, and the presets, you can have 50 of them.

Then there are a ton of small touches that I like. There is a moon phase display in the top nav bar, along with barometric pressure, for instance.

Plus it does all the data logging for guys that are into that, but I don't use that stuff.

And of course Foxbang and Auto volume and all those features.

It's truly a better mousetrap.

- DAA
 

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Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on November 11, 2013, 10:41 AM:
 
Randy, in a word - "nope".

The state hasn't seen any improvement.

And they won't, until they start tearing down thousands upon thousands of new homes, mostly of the luxury variety, and get to work restoring winter range. Which has all but disappeared to development just in my lifetime. I've seen the population of this state more than triple, and a very high percentage of all that growth got built right on top of winter range.

And while they are at that, do away with a couple of major highways built in the last 30 years that ended migration routes to where the new houses are on what used to be the winter range. Cars kill more deer in this state than all the hunters and predators combined. By far.

And figure out some way to bring back some of the sage brush.

Which... ain't none of that ever gonna happen.

But if it's predators they want to focus on, at least for the mule deer, they need to be paying a bounty on lions, not coyotes.

The actual published numbers on coyotes turned in for the bounty are beyond pathetic. I can't remember the actual figures, but for coyotes taken in specific sensitive fawning areas, it end up being very few. And not even at any specific time, either. As if killing coyotes from an area in September is going to help fawns in that same area in June...

- DAA
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on November 11, 2013, 12:15 PM:
 
I don't know that Utah has ever had a coyote problem in my lifetime? Could be wrong, I guess but it always looked like better looking terrain, cover, habitat, (whatever you want to call it) than the way it panned out. My half baked opinion is that (unlike CA) everybody in Utah is a hunter and they chase everything that walks or flies.

Bounties on lions would be a step in the right direction, in every western state. The moratorium in CA is a friggin' joke. No exaggeration; CA has way more lions than any other state and they can't transplant enough bighorns to keep them fed. It's not even a fair fight, they ambush them at the water holes.

I'm not sure how many dead and consumed humans it will take to get lions on the game management list with a honest season? It's way overdue, but the bunnyhuggers are in control in The People's Republik.

What's the bullet in that 6-284? I'm guessing it's not the 70 gr. Nosler BT, unless I can see the back side?

By the way, I have never killed a coyote that went more than 39 pounds, and everyone of those except for a couple AZ animals....came from northern Nevada. Even up in Canada, they don't get any bigger. At least from what I have seen? And, as part of my job as Hunt Chairman, I have weighed and checked in hundreds of bigger than average coyotes. I "know" they exist, I just haven't seen one. Over 40.

Good hunting. El Bee

edit: so what's the deal? I can order a TX1000 for my CS24L? Or do I have to buy a new caller?

edit: Oh, never mind, rereading I see you are using a 55 Nosler. What's the deal, no exit?

[ November 11, 2013, 12:22 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on November 11, 2013, 01:00 PM:
 
Leonard, I always try and pose coyotes with the ugly side away from the camera. In the case of the coyote above, the other side had a very sizable hole in it. He was only dead a few minutes, too. Hadn't had time to soak. After he layed in the bed of the truck for a couple hours to ooze and soak, he looked a whole heckuva lot worse.

I'm trying to remember if I've had even one, without an exit, using that load. I might have, but if so, it has been only a handful. Get a few with a not too big exits, but most have big holes coming out the far side. On facing shots the holes come out either or both sides. I'm not seeing the classic no exit normally associated with the facing shot. I'm seeing chunks of shoulder and spine being blasted out either side instead.

I do not know, but suspect that the TX1000 can't be re-fitted to the older CS-24's. The way it synchs sound lists is different, for one thing. But, I really don't know.

And, yeah, Utah having a coyote problem is a joke. Understandable though. Like you said, most guys hunt here. But are more into big game. They are just like most ranchers I have ever talked to. They see the same coyote three different times in a month and "the place is CRAWLING with coyotes!". And it's easy to blame them for the low mule deer and antelope numbers and the bounty is just plain good old fashioned, smart, pork barrel politics. As idiotic a waste of tax payer dollars as it is, it's actually quite popular.

- DAA
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on November 11, 2013, 01:29 PM:
 
Dave, by your description, you are getting about the same performance as I get from my stock 243 with the Nosler 70 gr. Ballistic Tip. Major offside damage, if the word "varmint grenade" wasn't already taken, it would be accurate. But, I'm getting nowhere near that/your kind of velocity.

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on November 11, 2013, 02:24 PM:
 
The 55 gr. ballistic tip will do some serious damage on one side or the other even at lower vel. than what DAA is pushing them at. Not a fur friendly bullet on avr.
 

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Posted by ursus21 (Member # 3556) on November 11, 2013, 03:12 PM:
 
David your explanation of the Utah deer situation was one of the major motivations for me to get out of that state 20 years ago. Where I hunted deer as a teenager in Davis County is now the middle of a high end neighborhood. There is nowhere for the deer to winter along the Wasatch Front. Where I hunted quail in college is now a Walmart Warehouse. Where I hunted deer and rabbits in Iron County is now a large subdivision. Several things I do not miss about Utah. First, the Utah DWR in general. Quickest way to have an animal become endangered or extinct is to put Utah's DWR in charge of managing them. I often thought it would be a good idea to put Utah's DWR in charge of all the homosexuals in the nation. Second, I do not miss all the roads and ATV trails in Utah. It seemed like the only thing accomplished by hiking away from one road in the mountains did, was put you closer to another one. The last thing I don't miss (and you touched on this) is all the freaking people. I was there for the first half of the population explosion (more like invasion), and it has not got any better since I moved. I swear it's nearly impossible to find solitude in Utah. There were a few places in southern Utah and the West Desert I could get away from people, but I wouldn't be surprised if those areas are no longer that way. One of my favorite things about Montana is being able to stand on a mountain or out in the middle of some huge prairie, and not see a manmade object, or person for as far as the eye can see. All this to say I feel your pain, but I'm sure glad I escaped that rat-race down there!
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on November 11, 2013, 04:56 PM:
 
Ursus;
We rate campsites on a scale of 10 to 0. A ten being ten or more artificial lights visible / 360 degrees to the horizon. Places that are zero lights are getting hard to find anywhere.

I know of a place in Ore. that's not only a zero, it's at a hot spring. Rare......really rare.
 

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Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on November 11, 2013, 05:01 PM:
 
I like how you think Koko, bet I can guess pretty close to where you speak of.

Love it out there !!
 

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Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on November 11, 2013, 06:40 PM:
 
I like how Koko thinks too. I think I'm going to adopt his rating system.

On another site I frequent, we have a running thread where we keep track of our "bag nights". That's a night you spend camped, in a sleeping bag.

For 2012 I had 60 bag nights. So far for 2013 I'm at 49 nights. I just looked over my list for this year on that site. I think 16 of my camps this year were zeroes. Some of those, I don't know for sure, there might have been a light or two visible. But at least 10 of them, I'm sure, zero lights.

Thinking about my camp locations by that standard though, no doubt about it, a zero is getting hard to come by.

BTW... One of the camps I'm sure was a zero, I visited a hot spring earlier in the day that would have been a zero if I had camped there. Stripped down and soaked off some of the trail dust while I was there too .

A picture of the soaking spot.



In the Deep Creek mountains. Camped that night at Mormon Jack pass, in the Snake range. View from camp.



Definitely, zero lights that night.

That was a trip I drove from Wendover to St. George, on dirt. 536 miles of dirt. Just because...

- DAA
 

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Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on November 11, 2013, 06:45 PM:
 
Another definite zero from that same trip. In the Wah Wah mountains.





Drove almost 450 miles of dirt on that trip before even seeing another vehicle. It was nice!

- DAA
 

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Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on November 12, 2013, 06:47 AM:
 
Thanks for the 'splanation on the remote, Dave! That Micky stock looked familiar

Looks like that coyote swallered a volleyball...
 

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Posted by ursus21 (Member # 3556) on November 12, 2013, 07:18 AM:
 
The Wah Wah's are a really interesting mountain range. I helped put in guzzlers for wildlife out there. They also ended up using some the guzzlers to trap wild horses. As a matter of fact, I saw more wild horses than deer while out there. My youngest brother has a couple mining claims in the Wah Wah's that we have worked together a time or two. It is some hot dry country, but you wouldn't know it by your photographs. You make it look like a green paradise.
 

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Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on November 12, 2013, 07:46 AM:
 
The whole west desert is just lousy with broomtails anymore. I remember when I was a kid, it was kind of a treat to see them, as they weren't that common. Now, it's not unusual to see several hundred in a weekend, most anywhere out there, from Idaho to Arizona. They just tear the crap out of the range, too. Personally, I wish instead of wasting millions on adoption programs and lame management intended to appease the bleeding hearts, the gov't would auction them off, just like a timber sale, let the pet food companies or the Japanese come in with choppers and reefer trucks and thin the range raping destructive bastards right the fuck out.

Ain't gonna happen though...

But, speaking of broomtails, and the Wah Wah's...

Here's some of the famous Sulphur herd, seen a couple valleys west of the Wah Wah's, over in the Needle range. Said to have the highest concentration of original Spanish Barb in them of any mustangs anywhere.



- DAA
 

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Posted by ursus21 (Member # 3556) on November 12, 2013, 07:58 AM:
 
DAA, while I like horses and even own one, I completely agree with you. They really trashed the guzzlers we put in. They aren't native to the area and should be eliminated. They are a thousand pound parasite.
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on November 12, 2013, 08:00 AM:
 
Dave;
If there's a trout creek in the area, you're right.

DAA;
Self-Placing Mobile Bait Stations????
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on November 12, 2013, 08:20 AM:
 
There's also a method of rating women that's similar. It's based on the question; "How many days would you have to send alone in the mountains with her before making out??"
Zero is good.
Ten is less so and probably involves whiskey.
Anything over ten...........you use Leonard's name.

 

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Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on November 12, 2013, 08:26 AM:
 
Koko, speaking of zero campsites. Camped right on top of the trout creek mountains once, about 8000' feet if memory serves me.

Man it was great !! Domingo pass in the Pueblos is awesome also..
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on November 12, 2013, 09:10 AM:
 
Don't get me started on fucking mustangs! It's amazing how misguided people can crusade for things, like horses or lions. In an effort to placate these zealots, they spend millions on adoption programs and roundups.

I second what Dave said. Used to be, I would see horses mostly at night because of the eyes, etc. Ever since they have been protecting the bastards, they have multiplied like rabbits. I actually ran, drove right into the middle of a herd a couple years ago, in Arizona that must have numbered 400/500 animals. I shit you not! It was unbelievable! And, I'm not saying where, but there aren't too many places in that state where this could happen.

Good hunting. El Bee

edit: koko, I don't understand the question, at all unless you're the type to pay money for favors.

[ November 12, 2013, 09:13 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by ursus21 (Member # 3556) on November 12, 2013, 09:17 AM:
 
8-10 years ago (Dave will probably remember better than I will.) some guy went on a rampage and killed a bunch of horses in Utah. It took the DWR a while to catch him. Frankly I was hoping they wouldn't catch him and that his habit would catch on. I want to say it was a young guy in the military if memory serves me right.
 

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Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on November 12, 2013, 09:39 AM:
 
I'm with you guys on the mustangs, they are another tool the liberals use against us.

They are thick on the nearby Owyhee front. I can drive 1/2 hour maybe 45 minutes and be in 'em. In fact one of my favorite coyote hunting spots on BLM is now closed off.

The sign on the gate says something like, closed area "sensative" wild horse" protection area, or something like that.

Protection, my ass !! they eat all the grass and drink all the water, fuckin' Jug Heads !

Plus, I've been run out of one stand by an ol' Jug Head, he didn't like my coyote howls, apparently ?

 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on November 12, 2013, 10:43 AM:
 
El Bee;
It's really simple.
Meagan Kelly would be a Zero; A person would hit on her before the first day in the mountains was over.
Greta Van Sustren, on the other hand, you would have to be alone with up in the mountains for several days before hitting on. Six or Eight.
Rosie O'Donald; More than Ten days alone in the mountains and a few stiff drinks.

I don't pay women for favors. I pay them to leave and not call AFTER the favors.
 

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Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on November 12, 2013, 11:11 AM:
 

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Plus, I've been run out of one stand by an ol' Jug Head, he didn't like my coyote howls, apparently ?

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Have had a few run ins with them too. First one I remember, was back when the world was young and there weren't that many around. I was maybe 12 years old? On stand with my Dad. He had one of those metal JS speakers, on a long cord, attached to a big reel-to-reel tape deck that used about a hundred D batteries and weighed a ton and was your's truly to carry on every stand. I hated that tape deck. But I digress...

Anyway, band of mustangs came in to whatever sound we were playing and stomped that speaker flat as a pancake!

Another time, not all that long ago, maybe five years, on stand using my Foxpro and making some howls with my Higgins, had a stallion come in stomping and blowing. He was fixed on me, and I very seriously thought about shooting him for a couple seconds. Had he moved 12" closer, I would have. He finally moved off about a hundred yards where he continued to stomp and blow and I continued my stand. Coyote came galloping in a few minutes later and got killed.

Here about ten years ago, the single biggest expense Lincoln County Nevada had for the year, was building a new fence along the hiway, to try and prevent more deaths from the mustangs in the road. Lovely little old lady that is our closest neighbor there, really a sweet thing and looks out for our place while we aren't there, I do love her. But she just doesn't get it. Illegally feeds and waters them on her place, and complains bitterly every time there is a roundup or anything done to touch them at all. Never mind they were just about the leading cause of death on the highway right in front of her house...

They are beautiful though. No getting around it. Picture I took of some last winter, location not open for disclosure. Drove less than a mile, made a stand and killed one immediately after taking this pic...



- DAA
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on November 12, 2013, 11:26 AM:
 
More than once, I have worried a nag was going to stomp my electronic gizmo. Hard to say if I have called in more herds of horses, cattle or mule deer? One time, a big black stallion, and he had a brand on his rump, believe it or not?

That's a great photo, Dave. You are good, no getting around that.

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on November 12, 2013, 12:07 PM:
 
And lets not forget about the feral burros.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on November 12, 2013, 12:28 PM:
 
I used to know a guy that claimed he shot a whole bunch of burros in Death Valley a long time ago, before they were protected. He caught a lot of flak over it.

Quote: "location not open for disclosure" I am quite sure why he said this as I have been known to be a blabbermoth about that kind of stuff. lol

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on November 12, 2013, 03:33 PM:
 
Somewhere in an old Outdoor Life magazine, I have an article by Howard Hill on bowhunting wild burros during the WWII meat rationing. He ranked them fairly high as far as wariness & toughness. Claimed that the younger ones were good eating. The older ones, not so much.
Different times: four or five guys would save up their gas coupons so they could go on a trip.
 

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Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on November 12, 2013, 04:21 PM:
 
Didn't P.O. Ackley mention in his book something about whackin' them wild horses with small caliber rifles?
 

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Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on November 12, 2013, 04:22 PM:
 
Ackley wrote of testing .17's by popping burros with them.

Not too many of them where I roam. But a few, in a couple spots.



Those are the Henry Mtns in the background. I plan on camping just the other side of that long ridge right between the burros in a couple weeks. Hopefully not too much snow, my zero campsite there is at about 10,000'. Gets pretty iffy by mid November. Will just have to retreat lower if it's too snowbound by then.

I've become quite the picture posting whore...

- DAA
 

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Posted by 3 Toes (Member # 1327) on November 12, 2013, 06:43 PM:
 
Part of the problem is calling them "wild" horses. They aren't native as you guys well know.
They are a feral or invasive species, whichever term you choose. They should be treated as hogs are in the rest of the U.S.

[ November 12, 2013, 06:44 PM: Message edited by: 3 Toes ]
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on November 12, 2013, 09:47 PM:
 
I agree, Cal. They are useless and destroy range and bully wildlife, especially at watering holes. But I ain't admitting nuthin'.

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by jimanaz (Member # 3689) on November 12, 2013, 10:19 PM:
 

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Picture I took of some last winter,

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Glad you like it Jim. Going to go try and get some antlered animal pics for you in about 10 days. If I have any luck, I'll post 'em.

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You are the man! I enjoy living vicariously through your photographic efforts.

Finally found what I was looking for. AZ burros look quite different from Utah burros.


[ November 13, 2013, 06:01 PM: Message edited by: jimanaz ]
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on November 13, 2013, 06:58 PM:
 
I always saw quite a few burros in the vicinity of Alamo Lake. Have not been up there lately, but they could sure wake a man up in the morning if he was late rolling out.

Damn, I remember one time, New Years Eve, camped at Alamo Lake. Like to froze my ass off!

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on November 13, 2013, 09:47 PM:
 
No wonder that you froze; cold air pooling like water at the lowest point and all that. It was actually warmer camping just off of the pass going thru the Harcuvar Mountains a few miles north of Wendon.
Ah......The coyotes that used to be in that area.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on November 13, 2013, 11:12 PM:
 
Damned few spots I have not been, in AZ, I promise.

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on November 14, 2013, 10:04 AM:
 
Then why the bloody hell do you still live in the home of Gov. Moonbeam???
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on November 14, 2013, 10:49 AM:
 
NOT FAIR BEAT DOWN!
 

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Posted by MI VHNTR (Member # 3370) on November 16, 2013, 07:45 PM:
 

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You are the man! I enjoy living vicariously through your photographic efforts.

Finally found what I was looking for. AZ burros look quite different from Utah burros.
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