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DAA
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posted November 11, 2013 09:36 AM
After I found out you could get a CS-24C with the TX1000 remote, I had to have me one.
Got to use it for the first time the other day. First customer was a toad. Look at the belly on this sucker!
I weighed him, 39 pounds even. Not the biggest I ever killed, but probably in the top 15 biggest ever. Had to know what was in that belly. He'd been eating antelope. Heavy, heavy layer of fat on him. Not just on his back, he had fat all over. From the teeth, I'm guesing 5-6 years old.
Charged right up to the call, rolled him up 10 feet from it.
Ended up with 5 for the day. Absolutely in love with the TX1000 remote combined with the trusty old CS-24. Undoubtedly going to be my go-to for the next couple of years, until Foxpro comes up with something else I just gotta have.
- DAA
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posted November 11, 2013 10:13 AM
Nice goin' Dave!
Would you mind expounding upon what additional features the new remote has, over the original 500?
And is that the 'big' 20-250 you are campaigning???
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posted November 11, 2013 10:27 AM
Dave, full of antelope!
Has the Utah GFP or DNR, not sure what yours is called, seen any improvement in the survival rates of kids or fawns with the bounty in place this year?
If I had to guess with your already suppressed deer and antelope population the only hope would be a mange outbreak from coyote over population to see much of a difference. Unless you had some serious long line trappers and denners in the birthing areas.
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DAA
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posted November 11, 2013 10:31 AM
Fred, that's the 6/284, affectionately referred to as the Big Six. Same rifle as the Big Twenty, just a barrel swap. Shoots just as flat, too, with 55 NBT's at about 4300 fps. Have yet to lose a coyote hit with it, up to somewhere around 75 or so with it now. It makes big holes...
The remote... It's not just additional features over the old remotes. They really aren't even "remotely" similar, har-har-har, rim shot, boo, sorry, had to...
But, seriously, they aren't that similar. The display on the TX1000 is color and I find it easy to read in any light. The buttons are very different, much more positive feel to them, easier to use by braile, laid out completely different - and much better, IMO. There is no knob mess with on the TX1000. Navigation of your sound lists and the menus is VASTLY improved. You can do it the old fashioned linear sound list way if you want, but it also offers a "categories" method that is way better. It's basically the ability to put your sounds in folders and browse them just like you browse files on a computer. So I have a folder for my Presets, another called Rabbits, and another called Coyotes, one called Birds, etc. You just select the folder and open it to get a pre-filtered sound list. So for me, I have not more than maybe 20 sounds in any one folder, which makes browsing them on the fly much simpler. Oh, and the presets, you can have 50 of them.
Then there are a ton of small touches that I like. There is a moon phase display in the top nav bar, along with barometric pressure, for instance.
Plus it does all the data logging for guys that are into that, but I don't use that stuff.
And of course Foxbang and Auto volume and all those features.
It's truly a better mousetrap.
- DAA
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posted November 11, 2013 10:41 AM
Randy, in a word - "nope".
The state hasn't seen any improvement.
And they won't, until they start tearing down thousands upon thousands of new homes, mostly of the luxury variety, and get to work restoring winter range. Which has all but disappeared to development just in my lifetime. I've seen the population of this state more than triple, and a very high percentage of all that growth got built right on top of winter range.
And while they are at that, do away with a couple of major highways built in the last 30 years that ended migration routes to where the new houses are on what used to be the winter range. Cars kill more deer in this state than all the hunters and predators combined. By far.
And figure out some way to bring back some of the sage brush.
Which... ain't none of that ever gonna happen.
But if it's predators they want to focus on, at least for the mule deer, they need to be paying a bounty on lions, not coyotes.
The actual published numbers on coyotes turned in for the bounty are beyond pathetic. I can't remember the actual figures, but for coyotes taken in specific sensitive fawning areas, it end up being very few. And not even at any specific time, either. As if killing coyotes from an area in September is going to help fawns in that same area in June...
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posted November 11, 2013 12:15 PM
I don't know that Utah has ever had a coyote problem in my lifetime? Could be wrong, I guess but it always looked like better looking terrain, cover, habitat, (whatever you want to call it) than the way it panned out. My half baked opinion is that (unlike CA) everybody in Utah is a hunter and they chase everything that walks or flies.
Bounties on lions would be a step in the right direction, in every western state. The moratorium in CA is a friggin' joke. No exaggeration; CA has way more lions than any other state and they can't transplant enough bighorns to keep them fed. It's not even a fair fight, they ambush them at the water holes.
I'm not sure how many dead and consumed humans it will take to get lions on the game management list with a honest season? It's way overdue, but the bunnyhuggers are in control in The People's Republik.
What's the bullet in that 6-284? I'm guessing it's not the 70 gr. Nosler BT, unless I can see the back side?
By the way, I have never killed a coyote that went more than 39 pounds, and everyone of those except for a couple AZ animals....came from northern Nevada. Even up in Canada, they don't get any bigger. At least from what I have seen? And, as part of my job as Hunt Chairman, I have weighed and checked in hundreds of bigger than average coyotes. I "know" they exist, I just haven't seen one. Over 40.
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: so what's the deal? I can order a TX1000 for my CS24L? Or do I have to buy a new caller?
edit: Oh, never mind, rereading I see you are using a 55 Nosler. What's the deal, no exit?
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posted November 11, 2013 01:00 PM
Leonard, I always try and pose coyotes with the ugly side away from the camera. In the case of the coyote above, the other side had a very sizable hole in it. He was only dead a few minutes, too. Hadn't had time to soak. After he layed in the bed of the truck for a couple hours to ooze and soak, he looked a whole heckuva lot worse.
I'm trying to remember if I've had even one, without an exit, using that load. I might have, but if so, it has been only a handful. Get a few with a not too big exits, but most have big holes coming out the far side. On facing shots the holes come out either or both sides. I'm not seeing the classic no exit normally associated with the facing shot. I'm seeing chunks of shoulder and spine being blasted out either side instead.
I do not know, but suspect that the TX1000 can't be re-fitted to the older CS-24's. The way it synchs sound lists is different, for one thing. But, I really don't know.
And, yeah, Utah having a coyote problem is a joke. Understandable though. Like you said, most guys hunt here. But are more into big game. They are just like most ranchers I have ever talked to. They see the same coyote three different times in a month and "the place is CRAWLING with coyotes!". And it's easy to blame them for the low mule deer and antelope numbers and the bounty is just plain good old fashioned, smart, pork barrel politics. As idiotic a waste of tax payer dollars as it is, it's actually quite popular.
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posted November 11, 2013 01:29 PM
Dave, by your description, you are getting about the same performance as I get from my stock 243 with the Nosler 70 gr. Ballistic Tip. Major offside damage, if the word "varmint grenade" wasn't already taken, it would be accurate. But, I'm getting nowhere near that/your kind of velocity.
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted November 11, 2013 02:24 PM
The 55 gr. ballistic tip will do some serious damage on one side or the other even at lower vel. than what DAA is pushing them at. Not a fur friendly bullet on avr.
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posted November 11, 2013 03:12 PM
David your explanation of the Utah deer situation was one of the major motivations for me to get out of that state 20 years ago. Where I hunted deer as a teenager in Davis County is now the middle of a high end neighborhood. There is nowhere for the deer to winter along the Wasatch Front. Where I hunted quail in college is now a Walmart Warehouse. Where I hunted deer and rabbits in Iron County is now a large subdivision. Several things I do not miss about Utah. First, the Utah DWR in general. Quickest way to have an animal become endangered or extinct is to put Utah's DWR in charge of managing them. I often thought it would be a good idea to put Utah's DWR in charge of all the homosexuals in the nation. ![[Wink]](wink.gif) Second, I do not miss all the roads and ATV trails in Utah. It seemed like the only thing accomplished by hiking away from one road in the mountains did, was put you closer to another one. The last thing I don't miss (and you touched on this) is all the freaking people. I was there for the first half of the population explosion (more like invasion), and it has not got any better since I moved. I swear it's nearly impossible to find solitude in Utah. There were a few places in southern Utah and the West Desert I could get away from people, but I wouldn't be surprised if those areas are no longer that way. One of my favorite things about Montana is being able to stand on a mountain or out in the middle of some huge prairie, and not see a manmade object, or person for as far as the eye can see. All this to say I feel your pain, but I'm sure glad I escaped that rat-race down there!
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posted November 11, 2013 04:56 PM
Ursus;
We rate campsites on a scale of 10 to 0. A ten being ten or more artificial lights visible / 360 degrees to the horizon. Places that are zero lights are getting hard to find anywhere.
I know of a place in Ore. that's not only a zero, it's at a hot spring. ![[Cool]](cool.gif) Rare......really rare.
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posted November 11, 2013 05:01 PM
I like how you think Koko, bet I can guess pretty close to where you speak of.
Love it out there !!
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DAA
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posted November 11, 2013 06:40 PM
I like how Koko thinks too. I think I'm going to adopt his rating system.
On another site I frequent, we have a running thread where we keep track of our "bag nights". That's a night you spend camped, in a sleeping bag.
For 2012 I had 60 bag nights. So far for 2013 I'm at 49 nights. I just looked over my list for this year on that site. I think 16 of my camps this year were zeroes. Some of those, I don't know for sure, there might have been a light or two visible. But at least 10 of them, I'm sure, zero lights.
Thinking about my camp locations by that standard though, no doubt about it, a zero is getting hard to come by.
BTW... One of the camps I'm sure was a zero, I visited a hot spring earlier in the day that would have been a zero if I had camped there. Stripped down and soaked off some of the trail dust while I was there too .
A picture of the soaking spot.
In the Deep Creek mountains. Camped that night at Mormon Jack pass, in the Snake range. View from camp.
Definitely, zero lights that night.
That was a trip I drove from Wendover to St. George, on dirt. 536 miles of dirt. Just because...
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posted November 11, 2013 06:45 PM
Another definite zero from that same trip. In the Wah Wah mountains.
Drove almost 450 miles of dirt on that trip before even seeing another vehicle. It was nice!
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posted November 12, 2013 06:47 AM
Thanks for the 'splanation on the remote, Dave! That Micky stock looked familiar
Looks like that coyote swallered a volleyball...
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posted November 12, 2013 07:18 AM
The Wah Wah's are a really interesting mountain range. I helped put in guzzlers for wildlife out there. They also ended up using some the guzzlers to trap wild horses. As a matter of fact, I saw more wild horses than deer while out there. My youngest brother has a couple mining claims in the Wah Wah's that we have worked together a time or two. It is some hot dry country, but you wouldn't know it by your photographs. You make it look like a green paradise.
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posted November 12, 2013 07:46 AM
The whole west desert is just lousy with broomtails anymore. I remember when I was a kid, it was kind of a treat to see them, as they weren't that common. Now, it's not unusual to see several hundred in a weekend, most anywhere out there, from Idaho to Arizona. They just tear the crap out of the range, too. Personally, I wish instead of wasting millions on adoption programs and lame management intended to appease the bleeding hearts, the gov't would auction them off, just like a timber sale, let the pet food companies or the Japanese come in with choppers and reefer trucks and thin the range raping destructive bastards right the fuck out.
Ain't gonna happen though...
But, speaking of broomtails, and the Wah Wah's...
Here's some of the famous Sulphur herd, seen a couple valleys west of the Wah Wah's, over in the Needle range. Said to have the highest concentration of original Spanish Barb in them of any mustangs anywhere.
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posted November 12, 2013 07:58 AM
DAA, while I like horses and even own one, I completely agree with you. They really trashed the guzzlers we put in. They aren't native to the area and should be eliminated. They are a thousand pound parasite.
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posted November 12, 2013 08:00 AM
Dave;
If there's a trout creek in the area, you're right. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
DAA;
Self-Placing Mobile Bait Stations????
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posted November 12, 2013 08:20 AM
There's also a method of rating women that's similar. It's based on the question; "How many days would you have to send alone in the mountains with her before making out??"
Zero is good.
Ten is less so and probably involves whiskey.
Anything over ten...........you use Leonard's name.
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posted November 12, 2013 08:26 AM
Koko, speaking of zero campsites. Camped right on top of the trout creek mountains once, about 8000' feet if memory serves me.
Man it was great !! Domingo pass in the Pueblos is awesome also..
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posted November 12, 2013 09:10 AM
Don't get me started on fucking mustangs! It's amazing how misguided people can crusade for things, like horses or lions. In an effort to placate these zealots, they spend millions on adoption programs and roundups.
I second what Dave said. Used to be, I would see horses mostly at night because of the eyes, etc. Ever since they have been protecting the bastards, they have multiplied like rabbits. I actually ran, drove right into the middle of a herd a couple years ago, in Arizona that must have numbered 400/500 animals. I shit you not! It was unbelievable! And, I'm not saying where, but there aren't too many places in that state where this could happen.
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: koko, I don't understand the question, at all unless you're the type to pay money for favors.
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posted November 12, 2013 09:17 AM
8-10 years ago (Dave will probably remember better than I will.) some guy went on a rampage and killed a bunch of horses in Utah. It took the DWR a while to catch him. Frankly I was hoping they wouldn't catch him and that his habit would catch on. I want to say it was a young guy in the military if memory serves me right.
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posted November 12, 2013 09:39 AM
I'm with you guys on the mustangs, they are another tool the liberals use against us.
They are thick on the nearby Owyhee front. I can drive 1/2 hour maybe 45 minutes and be in 'em. In fact one of my favorite coyote hunting spots on BLM is now closed off.
The sign on the gate says something like, closed area "sensative" wild horse" protection area, or something like that.
Protection, my ass !! they eat all the grass and drink all the water, fuckin' Jug Heads !
Plus, I've been run out of one stand by an ol' Jug Head, he didn't like my coyote howls, apparently ?
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posted November 12, 2013 10:43 AM
El Bee;
It's really simple.
Meagan Kelly would be a Zero; A person would hit on her before the first day in the mountains was over.
Greta Van Sustren, on the other hand, you would have to be alone with up in the mountains for several days before hitting on. Six or Eight.
Rosie O'Donald; More than Ten days alone in the mountains and a few stiff drinks.
I don't pay women for favors. I pay them to leave and not call AFTER the favors.
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