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Posted by Lonny (Member # 19) on September 30, 2013, 05:23 PM:

I just saw this book with this title advertised in the newest Varmint Hunter mag and was wondering if anybody has read it?

From the description the book is about hunting/trapping/chasing coyotes

Author is Gary Strader. The name sounds familiar and I wondered if maybe he posted a time or two here or somewhere on the boards.

Posted by 3 Toes (Member # 1327) on September 30, 2013, 06:08 PM:

Strader is a turncoat asswipe. I have less use for him than I do the dog shit stuck to my shoes. He has sided with many animal rights groups against trapping and hunting predators.

Posted by Lonny (Member # 19) on September 30, 2013, 06:14 PM:

About 5 minutes ago I googled his name and found out the same thing.

Helluva an odd way to try to sell books about killing coyotes.

Well, scratch that book off the list.

Posted by 6mm284 (Member # 1129) on September 30, 2013, 06:26 PM:

Strader made some very serious and false accusations against wildlife service employees in Nevada a few years ago.. Claimed WS was shooting mountain lions from airplanes. All this i believe was contrived after he was terminated for performance issues,..it took tons of times and money to counter his claims . Case was eventually thrown out by judge as being totally invalid. . The man is dellusional and was used by the anti groups like a puppet. I would not even wipe my but with anything he wrote.

Posted by MI VHNTR (Member # 3370) on September 30, 2013, 06:33 PM:

He's also got an article in the October Fur Fish Game magazine under Predator Hunting titled: "Western pro rides horse or mule to reach remote coyote-calling country".

Oh well, skip another article in an otherwise good magazine.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on September 30, 2013, 07:18 PM:

I talked to a former lady friend of his. She said he was a stinko lousy shot and that she killed most of the animals when they hunted together. Said what animals he pulled, were trapped or snared.

He's the guy that jumped me years ago on Predator Masters. Said I was full of shit about my story of calling nine coyotes and killing six of them. Said that just wasn't coyote's nature. When I mentioned the incident to my son, he said; "I thought there was ten?" Well, maybe he saw one more than I did, but no denying they were coming in single file.

Anyway, he sent me a nice note when my wife died, which was appreciated.

He's a protegee of Bill Martz.

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by Brent Parker (Member # 4354) on October 01, 2013, 05:07 AM:

I believe Gary was terminated for turning those guys in. Sued the gov. for wrongful termination and the gov. decided to settle out of court. I know with the settlement he received he'll never have to worry about working again. If the gov. was in the right why settle? I don't agree with what he did but I do understand why he chose his path. I have read the book and its not bad.

Posted by 6mm284 (Member # 1129) on October 01, 2013, 07:24 AM:

strader got absolutely nothing out of the government, his case was dismissed as totally without merit and severely reprimanded by thr judge.
His only claimwas a workmens comp claim that he fell off his truck the last day of work.however that went was handled by insurance.
It took three sheriffs deputies for ws to reclaim their truck and other equipment from him. He was restrained and escorted into his house by them.
There was an issue with him being invited later to speak to arizona trappers comference. He was not allowed to do so and the president of the trappers was removed from office.

Other ws employees who worked with him said he was worst trapper and caller they had ever seen long before he made his accusations. How many fo you guys use twenty or more different sounds on the same stand like strader and call yourself serious callers.
.this man almost cost some very good people their jobs.
He made claims and accusation of events that it was proven his was not even present to witness. Not one single claim could he substantiate.
I am very close to several ws specialist who were involved in this fiasco. If strader does not have to work the rest of his life ,it may be from the compensation received from the host of anti groups he performed for. It is abolutely not from the federal government. All my info is first hand from those who were there, individuals i have known for over twenty to thirty years or more.
Time for me to shutup!

Posted by Brent Parker (Member # 4354) on October 01, 2013, 08:48 AM:

Yes he was invited, yes he didn't speak. No the President wasn't removed. If he had wanted to stay he was more than welcome. Do you know Scott Trowbridge? He was ready to step down after his first year, it was known he was stepping down way before the Gary Strader incident ever came about. That you don't have your facts straight about... I'm with the ATA sit on the board and good friends with Scott.

As for the rest with Gary Strader all I know is what I heard.

[ October 01, 2013, 08:53 AM: Message edited by: Brent Parker ]

Posted by 6mm284 (Member # 1129) on October 01, 2013, 10:54 AM:

STRADER v. DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE | Leagle.com
www.leagle.com/decision/In%20FCO%2020120405140
Apr 5, 2012 - GARY A. STRADER, Petitioner, v. DEPARTMENT OF ... Mr. Strader began his employment with Wildlife Services in April 2005 as a seasonal ...
This is a list of strader's claims.. Every single one found unsubstantiated by an administrative judge.
He is presently involved with change.org to pressure leg hold trapping.
I am sorry for my misinfo on the ata presidents departure. It was too far from the source and i should have not included it.
Why was strader's talk to ata otherwise canceled?

Posted by Brent Parker (Member # 4354) on October 01, 2013, 11:35 AM:

Some of the directors were not in favor of him showing but no one had a clue who he even was except for two of us.

[ October 01, 2013, 11:42 AM: Message edited by: Brent Parker ]

Posted by Brent Parker (Member # 4354) on October 01, 2013, 11:40 AM:

I did find that an intersting read.

Thanks
Brent

Posted by 6mm284 (Member # 1129) on October 01, 2013, 04:28 PM:

I also found it interesting and long.glad you took the time to read it.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on October 01, 2013, 05:49 PM:

I also read it. It reads like somebody that is trying to fund his retirement.

However, it also reminds me of another situation in another state.

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on October 03, 2013, 08:52 PM:

I just read his Oct. Fur-Fish-Game article.
I hope that that's not the best he's got. [Roll Eyes]

Posted by Wily E (Member # 3649) on October 04, 2013, 10:01 AM:

I am going to write this assuming that Gary Strader will read it.

Gary was fortunate to follow in the footsteps of one of the best coyote trappers I have ever had the privilege to meet, George Good. I don't say that just because George was promoted by Craig O'Gorman, I say that because George Good was respected by many men whose knowledge and abilities I still hold in high regard. It was also obvious when I talked to George Good that he understood coyotes far better than the average man. My point? Gary Strader had some very big shoes to fill.

I am not sure whether Gary actually spent time with George Good, I think Gary started working in the same district in NE Montana following George's untimely passing. In addition to having these big shoes to fill, as Leonard mentioned, Gary was promoted by Bill Martz for his early use of the WT with claims of wiping out the coyote population in the counties he served. These unfortunate claims were easily dismissed by anyone with any amount of coyote control experience. I don't know whether Gary made these far fetched coyote killing claims himself but I am unaware of any attempt to correct them either.

I am not going to say one way or another whether Gary was a good coyote hand because I don't know. Only the producers he served or those he worked with could objectively measure those abilities. What I do know is how ridiculous it would be for anyone to support a claim of basically eliminating the coyote population in certain counties when you are surrounded by coyote factories. I would be furious if anyone had made such ridiculous claims about me or anyone I respected.

This is just like the ignorance of an ADC hand bragging about killing large numbers of coyotes in sheep country. If you are working in sheep country and you can effectively handle the size area you are responsible for, if you are killing large numbers of coyotes then you have probably allowed the coyote population to get out of hand and have a corresponding large number of dead sheep as a result.

What I really want to address here regarding Gary Strader is the "turncoat" issue that has already been brought up. Years ago there was a man by the name of Dick Randall that sold anti Animal Damage Control (ADC) photos to the Defenders of Wildlife for money. Dick's anti ADC photos found themselves in many publications including Playboy and Penthouse magazines. Dick was known amongst ADC circles as a prostitute who sold what he believed in for financial gain. During his ADC career, Dick Randall was involved in an untimely accident and found himself without work and therefore without income. This may have been before there was such a thing as workmen's compensation.

I would like to believe that I would never sell my soul to the devil for money regardless how hungry I was but at the same time, I have never been faced with that situation. As Dick's supervisor so eloquently put it (paraphrasing), "Either you didn't believe in what you did when you worked for us or you don't believe in what you are doing now. Either way it must be very difficult for you". I concur.

This brings me to the similar situation with Gary Strader. I can understand having issues with the agency you work for and all that entails because I went through that myself. What I cannot relate to is turning against the basic understanding of your work and/or turning against your fellow employees for some sick "perceived" personal gain. I can't begin to relate to either.

I also see in Gary a cancer that many younger guys seem to carry these days which believes that the only way to build yourself up is to run other's down including those who are respected in the ADC fraternity. Those are my issues with Gary Strader. In short, Gary's actions of joining forces with the organizations that threaten our way of life, in order to turn against the agency he worked for, shows weakness in character and stinks of hypocricy.

If Gary didn't believe in what he was doing when he was doing it, he shouldn't have been doing it rather than using his own actions as criticism against an agency he now has an axe to grind with. I detest the current arrogant and ignorant GF&P administration in SD but I didn't turn against the importance of what my responsibility was or the livestock producers I served. Gary Strader's life was a life of contradiction so I see no value in wasting my time reading about it.

Whatever Gary knows or doesn't know about coyotes is easily dismissed by his Judas approach to ADC work. Besides, nobody with any amount of ADC experience would consider themselves a "Master Wolfer" when such a title only sets you up for certain failure.

My advice to the readers, don't waste your money.

6mm/284, good posts and thank you!

Scott Huber

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on October 04, 2013, 12:48 PM:

Good post, Scott. Always appreciate your perspective.

Strader is a strange bird, hard to figure out? I'm wondering where he got the pro bono legal assistance because I have a hard time believing he is solvent enough to waste resources on a bullshit suit.

Anyway, since he rose to fame promoting the wonders of the Wildlife Technologies ecaller, which involves shooting coyotes, and the comments from someone I won't name, but who I know personally, Gary is not a particularly accomplished shot on game. I have no reason to doubt what she told me, and I have hunted with her...hint, hint.

So, now we are to believe this guy who can't work a coyote stand is well known as a "Master Wolfer" for his ability with iron and wire? Right? Well, even Byron South started modestly although nobody could ever accuse him of being modest.

Anyway, it occurs to me that there are a certain amount of certifiable phonies in this game. In this case, he should be ashamed of himself for the disservice he is doing to the whole predator hunting community. I won't waste my time on his book, his fifteen minutes is almost up.

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by 6mm284 (Member # 1129) on October 05, 2013, 04:32 PM:

Mr strader is presently cheerleading a petition invoving leg hold trapping with change.org. their intent to outlaw in all forms.jLast i saw it needed 4700 more signatures to be accepted by the white house and acted upon.
LFriends very close to me worked with mr strader and beleived it had become difficult for him to resolve what was real and what was not.Long before the lawsuits began.Made him seem very convincing and very difficult to counter his accusations.And of course the antigroups did not care whether he had valid claims or not.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on October 05, 2013, 04:41 PM:

Sounds like he needs his ass kicked. Wonder if Bill Martz supports the stuff Gary has been advocating lately?

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by Randy Roede (Member # 1273) on October 05, 2013, 09:12 PM:

I don't understand why FFG has him writing articles??

Posted by jimanaz (Member # 3689) on October 05, 2013, 09:58 PM:

quote:
Besides, nobody with any amount of ADC experience would consider themselves a "Master Wolfer" when such a title only sets you up for certain failure.

This may be the best thing I've ever seen written.....

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on October 06, 2013, 08:36 AM:

Huber does not need the ego boost, he already thinks he knows it all. [Smile]

Damn, he'a a walker. Like Higgins, like Shaw. They tell me, like Quinton.

I saw him at some hunt, where he said he pulled a sled for miles in the snow, in bad weather. He looked wooped. Chuckle

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by nd coyote killer (Member # 40) on October 06, 2013, 09:24 AM:

Great post Scott!

Gary Strader isn't worth this much discussion he should be tried in the coyote hunting courts for treason! If you google the movie title "Killing Coyote" and go to their website you can watch a hour long interview with him and see just how delusional he really is.

I wouldn't piss in Gary Straders asshole if his guts were on fire!

Posted by Wily E (Member # 3649) on October 06, 2013, 09:40 AM:

RR: "I don't understand why FFG has him writing articles??"

Giving FF&G the benefit of the doubt, I would bet they are unaware of Gary's associations with organizations intent on banning the use of the steel foothold trap.

I think it would be a good order of business for a trapper who subscribes to FF&G to provide them with proof of Gary's association with these organizations.

It's time for Gary to choose a horse and decide which brand he's going to ride for.

~SH~

Posted by Randy Roede (Member # 1273) on October 06, 2013, 09:57 AM:

I agree, he has to decide and commit to it.

Something here seems out of whack with this whole deal??

Posted by Jay Nistetter (Member # 140) on October 06, 2013, 02:03 PM:

Strader is the guy who claimed (and sold to Bill Martz) a 7-foot long coyote hide. I have a photo of him holding up a big hide. We questioned his height and I think he turned out to be 5'-6" tall. He sent me a photo of his driver's licence. Anyway... After that, many of us took hero shots (lots of them) holding up our coyotes with our knees on the ground. I have since outgrown that onery-ness.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on October 06, 2013, 03:21 PM:

nah uh!

Posted by Jay Nistetter (Member # 140) on October 06, 2013, 03:36 PM:

No?
Sure it wasn't him?
Guess I need to go do some digging to see who I was thinking about.

Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on October 06, 2013, 04:58 PM:

"No?
Sure it wasn't him?"
-------------------------
It was your losing your ornery claim that is in question, not Strader's height. [Big Grin]

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on October 06, 2013, 05:08 PM:

what Rich said...which is the essence of the Nistetter charm.

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by Jay Nistetter (Member # 140) on October 06, 2013, 05:34 PM:

I know you guys are just kidding me.

I'm still looking for the damn picture. The 80lb coyote one has been found. It's the other one that'll keep me up all night.

Posted by Jay Nistetter (Member # 140) on October 06, 2013, 05:54 PM:

Here's the 80 pound coyote pic

Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on October 07, 2013, 06:15 AM:

Looks like three coyote hides sewn together, but I can't figure out that alligator head. That boy is a real dandy for certain. [Big Grin]

Posted by Wily E (Member # 3649) on October 07, 2013, 07:54 AM:

I realize that some of you guys from western states cannot relate to an 80lb coyote but very large coyotes are not that uncommon in New York state which is where I believe Gary is from.

A 50 lb. coyote is the norm in New York state.

I don't think Gary will have egg on his face on this.

~SH~

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on October 07, 2013, 09:51 AM:

I'm not so sure, Scott?

First of all, okay maybe they have 50 pound coyotes in NY, but I have never seen one yet. But 80 pounds is a lot more, what, 50% heavier? Who knows, maybe it a damned wolf, maybe he stretched the hide?

He's a trapper, anyway. That kind of isolates him into one facet of predator control.

Actually, I'm not sure what you mean, Scott? What egg? And what is "this"? Just about his barn door hide? Could you illuminate, for our slower members, me included?

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by Wily E (Member # 3649) on October 07, 2013, 05:02 PM:

Leonard,

I know trappers from New York and the size of coyotes they catch there is unlike any I have seen anywhere. They are absolutely huge. I don't have the time or inclination to find pictures to back what I know you'll just have to trust me.

Perhaps the New York state coyotes are some sort of wolf hybrid, who the hell knows. They look just like any other coyote but much, much larger. Yes 80 lb. would certainly be the top side but from what I have seen, it would not surprise me.

By "this" I mean I don't think anyone is going to have any success trying to discredit Gary Strader on the size of coyotes in New York state because I have seen lots of pictures on other forums. To me, it simply diverts a far more important issue which is the "turncoat" issue.

I have some real issues with Gary selling out on ADC and trapping. I don't won't to see his critics, myself included, discredited over something we can't back like the size of coyotes in New York state.

If someone can discredit one aspect of anything their critics say about them, they will try to use it to discredit everything they say. Gary Strader doesn't deserve this escape route so I hope the information on this particular thread stays factual and not speculative.

~SH~

[ October 07, 2013, 05:17 PM: Message edited by: Wily E ]

Posted by Wily E (Member # 3649) on October 07, 2013, 05:15 PM:

I decided to take some time to back this up. Here is what I found. As I said, perhaps 80 is on the absolute high end but I read repeatedly where their weights are twice as much as western coyotes.

Here is an example of what I just read. This from a publication from the Catskills of New York State.

Eastern Coyotes are larger then coyotes in other parts of the United States. Coyotes range from 35-to-45 pounds. Some males can easily exceed 60 pounds. Some larger coyotes can be the same size as a gray wolf. The largest coyote weighed 74 pounds and was over five feet long. The length of the coyote is from 30-to-34 inches (not including the tail). The height to the shoulder ranges from 23-to-26 inches. Most coyotes have the appearence of a German Shepherd. Coyotes can run up to 43 MPH, and leap over 13 feet.

~SH~

Posted by Wily E (Member # 3649) on October 07, 2013, 05:24 PM:

Here's another......

By JIM CASTOR, STAFF WRITER

A Webster hunter has shot and killed what is believed to be the largest Eastern coyote recorded in New York.

An 81-pound male coyote was shot by Shawn Orchard last week while he was hunting deer with friends on private property in Ontario, Wayne County.

"Two female deer were being pursued by a pack of three coyotes," Orchard said. "We heard them crashing through the brush, physically hunting the deer down. I saw two smaller ones about 15 yards behind the deer, then the big one came into view behind them. I was up in a treestand. The shot was from about 90 yards."

Orchard said he took the coyote home and weighed it on his bathroom scales, after weighing himself to check the scales' accuracy. "It may have been off a pound or two, but that's all," Orchard said.

Orchard then drove to the state Department of Environmental Conservation's Region 8 headquarters in Avon, where wildlife technician Ron Newell confirmed the species.

When taxidermist Rick Streeter of Williamson prepares the hide for mounting, tissue samples from the animal's muscles and tongue will be sent to a wildlife biologist in Syracuse for study. It is possible it's a crossbreed between a wolf and coyote. Wolves, however, are rarely seen in New York.

Robert Chambers, a wildlife ecologist with SUNY College of Environmental Science and Forestry in Syracuse, said it is "by far, the largest coyote I've heard of in New York."

"I don't know what to make of it," he said. "The size is horrendous. They told me it was 62 inches long. It seemed to have all the characteristics of a coyote. We'd like the tissue samples so we can have some DNA testing done. Some hybridization seems very likely."

Chambers has been studying coyotes in New York since 1969. Their presence has been a source of controversy among hunters, landowners, farmers and others for many years.

[ October 07, 2013, 05:42 PM: Message edited by: Wily E ]

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on October 07, 2013, 05:35 PM:

Yeah, okay. I can agree with your response. The issue is the law suit and his efforts opposing leg hold traps.

However, that barn door photo generated a lot of disbelief at the time. Evaluating a ratty hide is difficult and I seem to remember, the question was: "an eight footer" not that it weighed 80 pounds.

But. At my age, my memory ain't as sharp as it used to be; hell I can't remember what I had for dinner yesterday!

Good hunting. El Bee

edit: you posted the last two while I was typing. I have seen and am aware of the "big eastern coyote" drama. Let's just say, there are big coyotes over on the east side, but usually places like northern Maine, not New York?

But not disputing big coyotes. Questioning his photo, which I think is valid.

[ October 07, 2013, 05:41 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]

Posted by Wily E (Member # 3649) on October 07, 2013, 05:38 PM:

more.....

N.Y.S. D.E.C. game commission officer Robert Doe confirmed that this was indeed a new New York state record coyote. Its official weight was 115 pounds, it is a very large male and was shot this (2005) regular deer season just out side the town of Hilton. It has been spotted on several different occasions chasing deer & livestock, dogs, and cats.

I know, I know, coydog, wolf hybrid, etc. etc......the debate rages on.

Bottom line, New York state coyotes are much larger than most western coyotes.

Lots of research suggests the largest coyote ever recorded was 74.75 lb. and came from Wyoming of all places.

~SH~

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on October 07, 2013, 05:43 PM:

Let's just say, and I will go on the record as being very skeptical of all these large weighed animals, be they white tail deer or wolves. Whatever. LB

[ October 07, 2013, 05:43 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]

Posted by Jay Nistetter (Member # 140) on October 07, 2013, 06:14 PM:

Count me in as skeptical as well. I generally read the first paragraph of most any article, study or report and toss the rag in the trash. But even before that I first look at the author or source even before I toss it or start reading.
Most on this board can size-up, analyze and effectively determine the ability of someone in very short order.
As far as Gary changing sides? Could be Martz drove him in that direction.LOL

Posted by Fur_n_Dirt (Member # 4467) on October 07, 2013, 06:30 PM:

That barn door makes that guy look 4 foot tall.. lol

Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on October 08, 2013, 05:51 AM:

I've put these up before, but thought Mr. Huber would like to see them?
This NY coyote is the largest I've ever seen. My farmer friend's kid shot it in the azz off his back deck early one morning. It ran off, they came down by us and told me about it. Went back with the dog and he tracked it right up, about 120 yds. Pulled it back out to the meadow and took this shot. For reference, my dog is 48-50lbs...

Couldn't believe the size of it, so we took it back to get a weight. Hung up , you can see that it isn't just a fat fucker with a full belly. This big ol' make is THICK...

I called it 64, but looks like if I climbed up, it'd be 66?
Either way, these freakozoid coyotes live & breathe here in NY. No bouta doubt it.

Not trying to take the heat off mr. fuckstick/twoface/whatshisname, just thought Mr. Huber would dig the pics that substantiate his cited links...

[ October 08, 2013, 05:53 AM: Message edited by: knockemdown ]

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on October 08, 2013, 09:58 AM:

Thanks, Fred. Interesting pics.

I still have not seen a 50 pound coyote, in the flesh and I won't remind the peanut gallery of how long I have been chasing 'yotes.

Anyway, the gist of this is more about Straders credentials, and behavior than about the size of eastern coyotes.

Good hunting. El Bee

edit: second look at the hanging coyote and the wound in the ass. What caliber was the young man using, do you know?

[ October 08, 2013, 10:02 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]

Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on October 08, 2013, 10:41 AM:

Yes, Leonard, it was his "turdy oh 6" deer rifle flinging Remmy CoreLokts!
He had seen that coyote trotting down across his bottom meadow from the window of his house. Went for his rifle & sat there on his patio deck for a few minutes to see if he'd have a crack at it. Of course, the coyote came trotting back across and he walloped it on the move, hence the azz shot...

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on October 08, 2013, 11:34 AM:

Amazing, if this kid hit that coyote with a (what? 180grain 30 caliber bullet in the ass; it's remarkable that the animal ran 120 yards after the impact! Coyotes are tough, that has been impressed on me, on several occasions.

Good hunting. El Bee

edit: third look, your dog sniffing the hanging coyote. I'm thinking that coyote would kick his ass, one on one. Yes, no, maybe?

[ October 08, 2013, 11:37 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]

Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on October 08, 2013, 04:12 PM:

Yes, indeed...

Posted by Fur_n_Dirt (Member # 4467) on October 08, 2013, 05:27 PM:

That's a big fucking coyote!

Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on October 08, 2013, 06:49 PM:

This is about as big as I have seen in AZ. My older brother got this one near Wilcox I think it went about 38lbs but I am not sure. I got one just like it on the next stand, but mine was mangy, so I didn't want to touch it. That size isn't uncommon in Missouri.

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Posted by Fur_n_Dirt (Member # 4467) on October 09, 2013, 12:23 PM:

Nice coyote DanS!

Posted by Brent Parker (Member # 4354) on October 09, 2013, 02:20 PM:

DANS,
He sure don't look like your older brother !

Nice coyote.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on October 09, 2013, 02:22 PM:

Yeah, I was thinking that same thing! I know Dan, he's been to several campouts. His brother does not favor him much, at all.

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on October 09, 2013, 06:31 PM:

Yea I know LB, I'm the good looking one, he's just old! [Big Grin]

Kind of an inside joke with Brent and I. My brother always tells everyone I am the older one, and Brent knows it, that's why the little jab from that ornery McNeal trapper guy. Heck, he's even got his wife picking on me. <LAFFIN>

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