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Topic: "Master Wolfer"
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Lonny
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posted September 30, 2013 05:23 PM
I just saw this book with this title advertised in the newest Varmint Hunter mag and was wondering if anybody has read it?
From the description the book is about hunting/trapping/chasing coyotes
Author is Gary Strader. The name sounds familiar and I wondered if maybe he posted a time or two here or somewhere on the boards.
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posted September 30, 2013 06:08 PM
Strader is a turncoat asswipe. I have less use for him than I do the dog shit stuck to my shoes. He has sided with many animal rights groups against trapping and hunting predators.
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Lonny
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posted September 30, 2013 06:14 PM
About 5 minutes ago I googled his name and found out the same thing.
Helluva an odd way to try to sell books about killing coyotes.
Well, scratch that book off the list.
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6mm284
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posted September 30, 2013 06:26 PM
Strader made some very serious and false accusations against wildlife service employees in Nevada a few years ago.. Claimed WS was shooting mountain lions from airplanes. All this i believe was contrived after he was terminated for performance issues,..it took tons of times and money to counter his claims . Case was eventually thrown out by judge as being totally invalid. . The man is dellusional and was used by the anti groups like a puppet. I would not even wipe my but with anything he wrote.
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posted September 30, 2013 06:33 PM
He's also got an article in the October Fur Fish Game magazine under Predator Hunting titled: "Western pro rides horse or mule to reach remote coyote-calling country".
Oh well, skip another article in an otherwise good magazine.
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Leonard
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posted September 30, 2013 07:18 PM
I talked to a former lady friend of his. She said he was a stinko lousy shot and that she killed most of the animals when they hunted together. Said what animals he pulled, were trapped or snared.
He's the guy that jumped me years ago on Predator Masters. Said I was full of shit about my story of calling nine coyotes and killing six of them. Said that just wasn't coyote's nature. When I mentioned the incident to my son, he said; "I thought there was ten?" Well, maybe he saw one more than I did, but no denying they were coming in single file.
Anyway, he sent me a nice note when my wife died, which was appreciated.
He's a protegee of Bill Martz.
Good hunting. El Bee
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Brent Parker
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posted October 01, 2013 05:07 AM
I believe Gary was terminated for turning those guys in. Sued the gov. for wrongful termination and the gov. decided to settle out of court. I know with the settlement he received he'll never have to worry about working again. If the gov. was in the right why settle? I don't agree with what he did but I do understand why he chose his path. I have read the book and its not bad.
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6mm284
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posted October 01, 2013 07:24 AM
strader got absolutely nothing out of the government, his case was dismissed as totally without merit and severely reprimanded by thr judge.
His only claimwas a workmens comp claim that he fell off his truck the last day of work.however that went was handled by insurance.
It took three sheriffs deputies for ws to reclaim their truck and other equipment from him. He was restrained and escorted into his house by them.
There was an issue with him being invited later to speak to arizona trappers comference. He was not allowed to do so and the president of the trappers was removed from office.
Other ws employees who worked with him said he was worst trapper and caller they had ever seen long before he made his accusations. How many fo you guys use twenty or more different sounds on the same stand like strader and call yourself serious callers.
.this man almost cost some very good people their jobs.
He made claims and accusation of events that it was proven his was not even present to witness. Not one single claim could he substantiate.
I am very close to several ws specialist who were involved in this fiasco. If strader does not have to work the rest of his life ,it may be from the compensation received from the host of anti groups he performed for. It is abolutely not from the federal government. All my info is first hand from those who were there, individuals i have known for over twenty to thirty years or more.
Time for me to shutup!
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Brent Parker
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posted October 01, 2013 08:48 AM
Yes he was invited, yes he didn't speak. No the President wasn't removed. If he had wanted to stay he was more than welcome. Do you know Scott Trowbridge? He was ready to step down after his first year, it was known he was stepping down way before the Gary Strader incident ever came about. That you don't have your facts straight about... I'm with the ATA sit on the board and good friends with Scott.
As for the rest with Gary Strader all I know is what I heard.
[ October 01, 2013, 08:53 AM: Message edited by: Brent Parker ]
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6mm284
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posted October 01, 2013 10:54 AM
STRADER v. DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE | Leagle.com
www.leagle.com/decision/In%20FCO%2020120405140
Apr 5, 2012 - GARY A. STRADER, Petitioner, v. DEPARTMENT OF ... Mr. Strader began his employment with Wildlife Services in April 2005 as a seasonal ...
This is a list of strader's claims.. Every single one found unsubstantiated by an administrative judge.
He is presently involved with change.org to pressure leg hold trapping.
I am sorry for my misinfo on the ata presidents departure. It was too far from the source and i should have not included it.
Why was strader's talk to ata otherwise canceled?
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Brent Parker
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posted October 01, 2013 11:35 AM
Some of the directors were not in favor of him showing but no one had a clue who he even was except for two of us.
[ October 01, 2013, 11:42 AM: Message edited by: Brent Parker ]
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Brent Parker
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posted October 01, 2013 11:40 AM
I did find that an intersting read.
Thanks
Brent
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6mm284
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posted October 01, 2013 04:28 PM
I also found it interesting and long.glad you took the time to read it.
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Leonard
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posted October 01, 2013 05:49 PM
I also read it. It reads like somebody that is trying to fund his retirement.
However, it also reminds me of another situation in another state.
Good hunting. El Bee
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Kokopelli
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posted October 03, 2013 08:52 PM
I just read his Oct. Fur-Fish-Game article.
I hope that that's not the best he's got. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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posted October 04, 2013 10:01 AM
I am going to write this assuming that Gary Strader will read it.
Gary was fortunate to follow in the footsteps of one of the best coyote trappers I have ever had the privilege to meet, George Good. I don't say that just because George was promoted by Craig O'Gorman, I say that because George Good was respected by many men whose knowledge and abilities I still hold in high regard. It was also obvious when I talked to George Good that he understood coyotes far better than the average man. My point? Gary Strader had some very big shoes to fill.
I am not sure whether Gary actually spent time with George Good, I think Gary started working in the same district in NE Montana following George's untimely passing. In addition to having these big shoes to fill, as Leonard mentioned, Gary was promoted by Bill Martz for his early use of the WT with claims of wiping out the coyote population in the counties he served. These unfortunate claims were easily dismissed by anyone with any amount of coyote control experience. I don't know whether Gary made these far fetched coyote killing claims himself but I am unaware of any attempt to correct them either.
I am not going to say one way or another whether Gary was a good coyote hand because I don't know. Only the producers he served or those he worked with could objectively measure those abilities. What I do know is how ridiculous it would be for anyone to support a claim of basically eliminating the coyote population in certain counties when you are surrounded by coyote factories. I would be furious if anyone had made such ridiculous claims about me or anyone I respected.
This is just like the ignorance of an ADC hand bragging about killing large numbers of coyotes in sheep country. If you are working in sheep country and you can effectively handle the size area you are responsible for, if you are killing large numbers of coyotes then you have probably allowed the coyote population to get out of hand and have a corresponding large number of dead sheep as a result.
What I really want to address here regarding Gary Strader is the "turncoat" issue that has already been brought up. Years ago there was a man by the name of Dick Randall that sold anti Animal Damage Control (ADC) photos to the Defenders of Wildlife for money. Dick's anti ADC photos found themselves in many publications including Playboy and Penthouse magazines. Dick was known amongst ADC circles as a prostitute who sold what he believed in for financial gain. During his ADC career, Dick Randall was involved in an untimely accident and found himself without work and therefore without income. This may have been before there was such a thing as workmen's compensation.
I would like to believe that I would never sell my soul to the devil for money regardless how hungry I was but at the same time, I have never been faced with that situation. As Dick's supervisor so eloquently put it (paraphrasing), "Either you didn't believe in what you did when you worked for us or you don't believe in what you are doing now. Either way it must be very difficult for you". I concur.
This brings me to the similar situation with Gary Strader. I can understand having issues with the agency you work for and all that entails because I went through that myself. What I cannot relate to is turning against the basic understanding of your work and/or turning against your fellow employees for some sick "perceived" personal gain. I can't begin to relate to either.
I also see in Gary a cancer that many younger guys seem to carry these days which believes that the only way to build yourself up is to run other's down including those who are respected in the ADC fraternity. Those are my issues with Gary Strader. In short, Gary's actions of joining forces with the organizations that threaten our way of life, in order to turn against the agency he worked for, shows weakness in character and stinks of hypocricy.
If Gary didn't believe in what he was doing when he was doing it, he shouldn't have been doing it rather than using his own actions as criticism against an agency he now has an axe to grind with. I detest the current arrogant and ignorant GF&P administration in SD but I didn't turn against the importance of what my responsibility was or the livestock producers I served. Gary Strader's life was a life of contradiction so I see no value in wasting my time reading about it.
Whatever Gary knows or doesn't know about coyotes is easily dismissed by his Judas approach to ADC work. Besides, nobody with any amount of ADC experience would consider themselves a "Master Wolfer" when such a title only sets you up for certain failure.
My advice to the readers, don't waste your money.
6mm/284, good posts and thank you!
Scott Huber
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Leonard
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posted October 04, 2013 12:48 PM
Good post, Scott. Always appreciate your perspective.
Strader is a strange bird, hard to figure out? I'm wondering where he got the pro bono legal assistance because I have a hard time believing he is solvent enough to waste resources on a bullshit suit.
Anyway, since he rose to fame promoting the wonders of the Wildlife Technologies ecaller, which involves shooting coyotes, and the comments from someone I won't name, but who I know personally, Gary is not a particularly accomplished shot on game. I have no reason to doubt what she told me, and I have hunted with her...hint, hint.
So, now we are to believe this guy who can't work a coyote stand is well known as a "Master Wolfer" for his ability with iron and wire? Right? Well, even Byron South started modestly although nobody could ever accuse him of being modest.
Anyway, it occurs to me that there are a certain amount of certifiable phonies in this game. In this case, he should be ashamed of himself for the disservice he is doing to the whole predator hunting community. I won't waste my time on his book, his fifteen minutes is almost up.
Good hunting. El Bee
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6mm284
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posted October 05, 2013 04:32 PM
Mr strader is presently cheerleading a petition invoving leg hold trapping with change.org. their intent to outlaw in all forms.jLast i saw it needed 4700 more signatures to be accepted by the white house and acted upon.
LFriends very close to me worked with mr strader and beleived it had become difficult for him to resolve what was real and what was not.Long before the lawsuits began.Made him seem very convincing and very difficult to counter his accusations.And of course the antigroups did not care whether he had valid claims or not.
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Leonard
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posted October 05, 2013 04:41 PM
Sounds like he needs his ass kicked. Wonder if Bill Martz supports the stuff Gary has been advocating lately?
Good hunting. El Bee
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Randy Roede
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posted October 05, 2013 09:12 PM
I don't understand why FFG has him writing articles??
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jimanaz
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posted October 05, 2013 09:58 PM
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Besides, nobody with any amount of ADC experience would consider themselves a "Master Wolfer" when such a title only sets you up for certain failure.
This may be the best thing I've ever seen written.....
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Leonard
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posted October 06, 2013 08:36 AM
Huber does not need the ego boost, he already thinks he knows it all. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Damn, he'a a walker. Like Higgins, like Shaw. They tell me, like Quinton.
I saw him at some hunt, where he said he pulled a sled for miles in the snow, in bad weather. He looked wooped. Chuckle
Good hunting. El Bee
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nd coyote killer
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posted October 06, 2013 09:24 AM
Great post Scott!
Gary Strader isn't worth this much discussion he should be tried in the coyote hunting courts for treason! If you google the movie title "Killing Coyote" and go to their website you can watch a hour long interview with him and see just how delusional he really is.
I wouldn't piss in Gary Straders asshole if his guts were on fire!
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posted October 06, 2013 09:40 AM
RR: "I don't understand why FFG has him writing articles??"
Giving FF&G the benefit of the doubt, I would bet they are unaware of Gary's associations with organizations intent on banning the use of the steel foothold trap.
I think it would be a good order of business for a trapper who subscribes to FF&G to provide them with proof of Gary's association with these organizations.
It's time for Gary to choose a horse and decide which brand he's going to ride for.
~SH~
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Randy Roede
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posted October 06, 2013 09:57 AM
I agree, he has to decide and commit to it.
Something here seems out of whack with this whole deal??
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