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Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on January 29, 2013, 04:55 PM:
http://www.kwch.com/news/kwch-kah-test-confirms-wolf-killed-in-kansas-last-month-20130129,0,787379.story
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 29, 2013, 06:57 PM:
Maybe and maybe not? Anything like a 22-250 should settle a wolf's hash with 55 grain bullets. You were probably kidding anyway.
Actually, it's no great surprise, they are protected and breed like rabbits. They disburse similar to coyotes and they range far and wide. The bunnyhugger policy that started this whole wolf program was not too well thought out, like how to control them once they saturate their range. I think the states that have wrestled control from the Feds are doing the best they can under the circumstances. In spite of that, the bureaucracy involved is irksome. They should be treated like any other predator.
Good hunting. Lima Brav 0
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on January 29, 2013, 09:55 PM:
"The bunny hugger policy that started this whole wolf program was not to well thought out".
I have to respectfully disagree.
The bunny huggers ultimate goal is to eliminate sport hunting. If the wolves are taking all of the excess harvest-able deer and elk, there are none left for sport hunters.
To use simple math; If Game & Fish wants 10 deer removed from a herd & the success rate in that area is traditionally 10%, they can sell 100 tags. Enter the wolf and eliminate 100 sport hunting opportunities.
These bastards know exactly what they're doing.
Posted by Prune Picker (Member # 4107) on January 29, 2013, 10:57 PM:
You took the words right out of my mouth Koko.
Posted by Aznative (Member # 506) on January 30, 2013, 07:04 AM:
I make a bet that those hunters will be prosecuted by the wildlife service to the fullest extent of the law for shooting a wolf that they thought was a coyote in an area that hasn't had any wolf sightings for over half a century. I wouldn't want to be in there shoes. I bet they will spend ten times the money persecuting those hunters than Florida spent on the Caylee Antony murder trial
Posted by JeremyKS (Member # 736) on January 30, 2013, 08:00 AM:
Lance do you know if this was related to the pic that was floating around with the coyote and wolf laying besides each other saying the wolf was killed by grey hound hunters somewhere in Kansas?
Posted by Kelly Jackson (Member # 977) on January 30, 2013, 08:14 AM:
Jeremy - you going to the Canadian hunt next month?
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 30, 2013, 08:25 AM:
Kelly, I would appreciate any information you have on this canadian hunt.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Kelly Jackson (Member # 977) on January 30, 2013, 08:30 AM:
LB - Its in Canadian TX. Sorry for the mislead, but if you want some contact info, I can email you.
kj
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 30, 2013, 08:48 AM:
Oh? Not sure about that? Thanks anyway. LB
Posted by TRnCO (Member # 690) on January 30, 2013, 09:12 AM:
that be the one Jeremy. Killed neared Wakeeney, KS. by grey hounds.
I don't see how the guys that killed it could get in trouble. How were they suppose to know it was a wolf, when it took weeks of DNA testing for the "professionals" to delcare it a wolf.
According to some hunters on PM, a .204 is plenty for wolf. Take that with a grain of salt.
Posted by KaBloomR (Member # 4252) on January 30, 2013, 11:20 AM:
I wouldn't want to be in their shoes, either. Just imagine all of the death threats they are going to receive from the antis.....
Posted by Duckdog (Member # 3842) on January 30, 2013, 03:58 PM:
I know a guy, who knows the guy...
Posted by KaBloomR (Member # 4252) on January 30, 2013, 04:17 PM:
....that won the "Big Dog" prize money!
Posted by 3 Toes (Member # 1327) on January 30, 2013, 04:38 PM:
"How were they supposed to know it was a wolf?"Seriously?
It's no different there than anywhere else. We have areas where we aren't supposed to kill wolves in other states and we are supposed to know the difference. Why should anyone else get a free pass?
[ January 30, 2013, 04:39 PM: Message edited by: 3 Toes ]
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on January 30, 2013, 05:03 PM:
To be quite honest, Kansas is seriously lacking in what most people would consider "wild lands" since pretty much the entire state is developed for agriculture from one corner to any other. If I were to see that animal, especially if it was alone and there wasn't anything running with it by which I could reference size, my first thought would be that it was a dogXcoyote cross and needed killing. Since there hasn't been a wolf in Kansas in my lifetime, or for that matter, my dad's, it may not even cross my mind that I might be looking at a purebred wolf. Giving these guys the benefit of the doubt, that may have been the case there, too. It's just been a strange year here. Last week, I was driving back home and there were three large white birds on the wheatfield east of my house. I glassed them and noticed that they didn't look like snow geese which are just now starting to congregate here amongst about a bajillion Canadas. Turns out, a friend of mine whose daughter and SIL are stationed in Alaska and who has been up there multiple times saw them shortly after I did and ID'd them as Tundra swans. I know we've had them in the state before, but like Snowy owls, they generally don't make it this far south. The drought is changing everything and making animals go further than usual to make a living.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 30, 2013, 05:04 PM:
Yeah, but Cal. Do the dogs know?
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by TRnCO (Member # 690) on January 30, 2013, 08:14 PM:
come on Cal, WY. has known areas with wolves, KS. don't. Simple as that. If it were so obvious that it was wolf, why wouldn't the KDOW declair it wolf at first glance? Probably because they too had thier doubt since there aren't known wolves in the area.
[ January 30, 2013, 08:15 PM: Message edited by: TRnCO ]
Posted by 3 Toes (Member # 1327) on January 31, 2013, 07:53 AM:
TR, they have showed up in neighboring states. Colorado included. I found and photographed the first one in Eastern Wyoming with a rifle right beside me. I knew I couldn't shoot it. There had never been one here in my lifetime either, but I knew what it was. I'm pretty well convinced that ignorance is never a good reason to break the law. I will be the first to say that the laws need changed and wolves outside of the original recovery areas should be fair game.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 31, 2013, 09:29 AM:
I agree with that. It's just like any animal that strays out of Yellowstone, bison, elk, grizzly, etc.
And, yeah. I have seen wolf and maybe it's instinctive but I know, right away what I was looking at.
But, my question, still unanswered is: a pack of grayhounds killed the wolf. How the hell are the dogs supposed to know the difference?
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on January 31, 2013, 10:10 AM:
Cool comparative pic, Kevin!
Good thing we don't have wolves here, just the occasional 65 lb. coyote ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Farmer upstate shot this one in the azz with the turdy-O-6 down his meadow, early one morning. It run off, so he stopped down by us and told me about it and we went & found it, dead. Pulled it out and snapped some pics. My dog is barely 50 lbs, for reference. If I'da seen that fawker come out on stand, there would be no hesitation to get a bullet!
Pretty cool that the hounds got that wolf rolled up! Good doggies!!!
Posted by Patterson (Member # 3304) on January 31, 2013, 10:30 AM:
I have to agree with TR. Its a little different when there is a part of your state that has an area that has protected the wolf for a long time and then find one a couple hundred miles away versus a state that has no population of them remotely close.
As for me if its by itself especially with nothing next to it for comparison that sure looks the part of a coyote to me. If I did shoot it I dont think I would be calling anyone or bragging and asking for DNA samples though.
Posted by TRnCO (Member # 690) on January 31, 2013, 10:44 AM:
there's been some really big coyotes killed in recent history, yeah mostly back east, but who's to say some of them big bastards won't make thier way west?
Posted by 3 Toes (Member # 1327) on January 31, 2013, 04:06 PM:
LB, I don't know the whole story on the greyhounds catching it. I don't think the dogs killed it without assistance, but I could be wrong. I have heard a couple versions.
Posted by JeremyKS (Member # 736) on February 05, 2013, 01:30 PM:
Kelly,
When is the Canadian Hunt?
Posted by Kelly Jackson (Member # 977) on February 05, 2013, 01:37 PM:
Feb 16th
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