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DanS
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posted January 05, 2013 12:46 PM
I don't have a HMR so maybe I'll get one of those.
Though I may still hold out for a CZ in 17HH. I don't know why, I already have a CZ in 17 Mach IV.
I would think the new cartridge would be good for fox and cats.
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Paul Melching
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posted January 05, 2013 01:21 PM
I want one just cuz they make one!
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Kokopelli
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posted January 05, 2013 01:32 PM
"I want one just cuz they make one"
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You da man, Paul!!!!
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ursus21
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posted January 05, 2013 02:10 PM
"I want one just cuz they make one! "
Paul you read my mind. Me too and put me down for a 17Hornet as well. I don't really need a reason I just like rifles!
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Leonard
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posted January 05, 2013 03:33 PM
No worries, no bashing of you insecure types.
But, I am not a collector, for the sake of collecting nor acquiring obscure stuff. It has to have a purpose. If I needed a 17HMR, or at least thought I needed it, I would get it, but not just because I'm thrilled with the sound of 17HMR, just to be different.
Anyway, once you get it, now there is a whole bunch of things that you have to do, testing and it's a pain in the butt, if you actually need it for some application. I know, kind of anal, but that's why I don't have an interest in buying something just because.
That's another thing that bugs me a little bit. They talk about "unfired" like it has some kind of special meaning. What the hell is so special about owning an "unfired" firearm, of any kind? I don't get it?
But, the problem is, you can't reload rimfires, which drops my interest down to about Zero. And, seems like they are always more expensive than they should be?
The more I think about it, maybe I should start bashing? Yeah!
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: I just got around to clicking the link. And reading the comments. I guess there would be some interest but there are a lot of "losers" out there, like the original 5mmRemington. I understand that anybody that was lucky enough to own a box of cartridges wouldn't be foolish enough to actually shoot them. Maybe that has changed? Like recalls on 17 rimfires, etc.
[ January 05, 2013, 03:56 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
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Prune Picker
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posted January 05, 2013 05:01 PM
I will take a look at one if and when they come out in a CZ. The 22mag CZ 452 i have is a very accurate rifle. The only thing i have done to it was put in a aftermarket sear that removed all the slop in the facory trigger. And i have been told the newish 455 models have a completly adjustable trigger from the factory. But if the new 17 requires the 527 size gun, i will pass because they (CZ) already have a MachIV or fireball on the market.
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TA17Rem
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posted January 05, 2013 06:41 PM
Don't need any safe queens here but would like to have one for hunting. Some states have a rule that no centerfires canbe in your vehicle while deer season is going on and some states also require you to use a rimfire when calling at night with a light.
The new cartridge is faster and shoots flatter than the HMR and the 22 mag. and more energy to boot..
I got alot of use out of my 22 mag. this season calling coon and I can honestly tell you at times its just not enough gun to anchor a coon, just imagine those poor coyotes that are getting shot at by one.. Being able to hold dead on at a coon at 50-100 yds would be a big plus as well and if a fox or coyote happen to show up on a stand less than 100 yds. out I think the new round would be up to the job... (2800-3000 fps) ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
Sure the ammo is going to be spendy so I would just limit its use to coon and fox calling. This years fur prices just one coon or fox would cover the cost of a box of ammo...
As far as not being able to reload for it whoopy doo, it gets tireing at times when you have to spend time at the bench when you should be out hunting and as far as reloading goes the old days are gone when you could do it to save a few bucks, nothing is cheap anymore...
The 17 AH has a little more power, big deal! so does a 17 mach-4 or 17 rem. or a 221 f.b...
A 17 Mach-4 does a good job of killing coon, but I would hate to be the guy who has to skin one after it was shot, real messy at times......
I'm going to put one on my bucket list....
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UTcaller
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posted January 05, 2013 06:51 PM
Yeah I'm with Leonard.I look for the best gun for the purpose I intend to use it for. And the 17 HMR,the new 17 Rimfire Mag and the new 17 HH just don't cut it for me. I have a 17 Ackley Hornet (custom) barrel that I've had for a few years and it's the cats ass. Using a 20 grain Vmax it is running almost 3800 fps. and is as cheap to load for as the HMR is to buy ammo for. Why waste money on a gun "just because" when I can use that money to buy bullets,powder,brass,and primers for the 17 AH and have a better setup too....
Good Hunting Chad
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Leonard
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posted January 05, 2013 07:14 PM
Tim, I was following along until you got to the part about big whoop, can't reload. The reason to custom handload is because one size does not fit all; and you know that.
I handload and search for the correct powder and bullet for MY GUN, not just what the factory provides, which may or may not work best in my gun. But, you know that.
Like I said, that rifle is just a hunk of iron if the factories decide they aren't selling enough to make it worth their while. That's basically the argument for a reloadable centerfire. But, you knew that.
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: in the comments below the article there is mention of the load on Monday and shoot all week Henry rifle chambered in a 44 rimfire. Then it goes on to say that today, they are just a wall hanger because there is no ammo available. I think that is my point.
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Paul Melching
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posted January 05, 2013 07:29 PM
I read somewhwere the ammo is twice the price of hmr. It would be fun for plinking but the cost of plinking with a 22 lr is much less.
Could be good for fox and cats. I wish we had a good coon population that sounds like fun. Hey Tim fed- ex me some coons.
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Prune Picker
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posted January 05, 2013 07:42 PM
To all the new and wantabe coon hunters out there, i'm getting ready to release my secret coon calling hand call . No it isn't a "wap" cd! But it does sound a lot like a metal trash can with a plastic trash bag for the bass sound. Thats all i'm saying until i get copyrights.
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Paul Melching
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posted January 05, 2013 08:03 PM
Sounds like someone has had coons in thier trash!
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Lonny
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posted January 05, 2013 08:46 PM
I like rimfires and depending on the price of ammo for this new beast, I might be interested. If it really is double the price of HMR, probably not.
I was a HMR naysayer until I bought one and found it to be darn near perfect for shooting spooky starlings and pigeons off the barn and other varmints that show up when touching off a centerfire just isn't necessary or needed.
When I got an HMR, ammo was about $6-7 bucks per 50 and sometimes even less. I stocked up back then and shot hundreds of ground squirrels every spring. With the current price current of HMR ammo I'm holding off on volume shooting as it just gets kinda spendy.
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TA17Rem
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posted January 05, 2013 09:22 PM
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Tim, I was following along until you got to the part about big whoop, can't reload. The reason to custom handload is because one size does not fit all; and you know that
I agree Leonard but it only applies to those seeking a one hole group..
As you know I have this 22 mag. semi-auto and I have tried 4-5 different brands or load combo's and for some reason they all shoot well enough for a hunting rifle with shots less than 200 yds. Even both of my HMR's shot very well with what ammo was there and from my exspeariance the rim-fires don't seem to be all that fussy as far as accuracy goes. Of course if you want to round out the groups a little more you could run the shells through a uniform guage for rim-fires...
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Hey Tim fed- ex me some coons.
Paul be carefull for what you wish for..
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Lone Howl
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posted January 05, 2013 09:36 PM
Same here, neat to have but has to have a specific purpose for me, and creating more or bigger rimfire cartridges just seems like a waste of brass.
So yes, Im a hater.
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Rich
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posted January 06, 2013 09:12 AM
I am one who has never warmed up to a .17 caliber of ANY sort. Now if Winchester decides to make a new speedy rim fire in .22 caliber, with a twist rate to handle 40-50 grain bullets, then they will capture my interest somewhat.
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TA17Rem
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posted January 06, 2013 10:40 AM
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Now if Winchester decides to make a new speedy rim fire in .22 caliber, with a twist rate to handle 40-50 grain bullets, then they will capture my interest somewhat
They already have. Its called the 22 mag. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
You can only get a rim fire to push a bullet only so fast till you run into pressure problems.. The solution is to go with a lighter bullet or go down a cal. or two which they have just done....
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ursus21
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posted January 07, 2013 01:39 PM
Glad I don't have to have a utility justification every time I buy a rifle. That must suck. Granted, most of the rifles I buy I have complete utility justification. However there have been a few I just "wanted" and found a "use" for them later. I have never bought a rifel with the intent of it being a safe queen, but I don't always need to justify every rifle in the practical sense either.
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Leonard
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posted January 07, 2013 02:13 PM
Well, you're an artist so esthetics influence your acquisitions. lol
I'm just kidding, I don't give a shit who who buys what or why. Nobody needs to justify what they buy, including firearms.
All I intended to convey is that I am not a collector, I am primarily a tool user. But, I bought an old Marlin lever gun I will probably never use, so we are both kinda the same.
The truth is, I don't need anymore guns, I have more than enough. A fancy new rimfire would have to be the cats ass before I would give it a second thought. And yet, I am not practical, either.
Please place your order without guilt, we don't judge.
Good hunting. El Bee
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ursus21
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posted January 07, 2013 02:27 PM
Leonard the scary part is I completely understood you last post. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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Leonard
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posted January 07, 2013 03:28 PM
Scarier still, you think it's scary.
Good hunting. El Bee
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TOM64
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posted January 07, 2013 11:39 PM
I looked at the 17HH and then saw this and thought it might make a good cat gun. Then I bought the new 204 and figure it's small enough and with no more cats that I call, cage traps would be money better spent.
Hey PP, where does your 17 Cooper fit in?
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TOM64
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posted January 07, 2013 11:43 PM
PP, you remember when BJ put some sardine oil in the trash cans at the park? He kinda cleaned up on coons didn't he?
Maybe you need to include some sardine oil...
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