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Posted by DesertGhost (Member # 4170) on November 27, 2012, 08:15 PM:
 
Warning: It was brought to my attention that there is some language in this video that some may find offensive. If you are offended by the use of some adult words (limited use), please do not view this video, we dont want to hear you complain about the language. We are grown adults, sometimes this language happens.

http://youtu.be/XvC3zzyM8z8

[ November 27, 2012, 09:20 PM: Message edited by: DesertGhost ]
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on November 27, 2012, 08:43 PM:
 
That link don't work, Amigo.
 

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Posted by KaBloomR (Member # 4252) on November 27, 2012, 09:15 PM:
 
Yes it does, LB. Can't you see all of those rare albino coyotes in a blizzard?
 

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Posted by DesertGhost (Member # 4170) on November 27, 2012, 09:20 PM:
 
LINK FIXED!
 

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Posted by KaBloomR (Member # 4252) on November 27, 2012, 09:48 PM:
 
Way cool. Thanks for sharing that. Those ki-yi sounds you guys are making are some of the best I've heard.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on November 27, 2012, 09:54 PM:
 
Cool vid.

You'd be coughing your lungs out calling in my part of the country with those diaphragms....

Edit to add:: You boys do sound pretty good though...

[ November 27, 2012, 09:59 PM: Message edited by: TA17Rem ]
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on November 28, 2012, 07:56 AM:
 
Interesting.
Maybe sometime later this morning Kay-Nine (The Wonder Dog) will calm down. She had a pretty good reaction to that video clip. It had her full attention as she patrolled the patio & back yard.

It looks like some body's pumping some pretty serious iron.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on November 28, 2012, 09:26 AM:
 
Don't be hitting on the new guys, chickenhawk.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on November 28, 2012, 09:40 AM:
 
PS I have been using diaphragms since before these young men were born, but they can send me a couple to evaluate, since a diaphragm is a diaphragm, basically. However, not many are cool red.

And, TA. Forget about your misunderstanding. Diaphragms are plenty loud, done right.

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on November 28, 2012, 11:57 AM:
 
I have a few of them as well Leonard that I got as a door prize from the V.H. and a few I bought years ago.. Back in the 70's you could also get them when the Carnies came to town, they were called noise makers then....

Inside a building they do seem to be pretty loud and they do make realistic sounds. A few years back I had the chance to hear someone else use them on stand and this guy(whats his name) also used a peice of horn to give the diaphragm a little more volume..
To me it was'nt any louder than a E.L.K.s power howler.. Either one would be fine if calling in the thick stuff and where there is a coyote behind every tree.. In open country I would say no way unless you just wanted to use them to coax a coyote in, but I can do that by makeing a sound with my lips..

Edit to add: I guess they could be considered as another tool for the job so use them if you gotem...

[ November 28, 2012, 12:01 PM: Message edited by: TA17Rem ]
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on November 28, 2012, 12:16 PM:
 
Question;
Do you guys find the pup distress to be a seasonal sound, better in the spring & summer or have you had good luck with it year 'round????

Thanx!!!!
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on November 28, 2012, 12:41 PM:
 
Can't really answer that as I don't use or rely on pup distress very often.. Have other sounds that work just as well..
 

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Posted by YuckItUpRed (Member # 4256) on November 28, 2012, 12:46 PM:
 
Thanks for the kind words guys. To clear a few thing up....

Yes, the boss man, Torry, hits the weights pretty hard. He's a big son of a gun.

I use an amp horn for most of my howling but that's it. I know I've called in coyotes from a long ways off just based on the fact that they were panting pretty hard when they showed up. I don't hunt the open country much but have called in coytoes in areas where you can see for miles with an MFK Diaphagm. My buddy Josh hunts up in the open country a lot and has no problem calling them in. This has actually been a highly debated topic and will continue to be regardless of results.

I use pup distress all year long. I never end a stand without at least a little bit of KiYi toward the end in case something is hung up that I can't see.
 

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Posted by YuckItUpRed (Member # 4256) on November 28, 2012, 12:50 PM:
 
One point I make about the volume of MFK diaphragms. 98% of the people who say they aren't loud enough will also tell you to be careful when going over a barbed wire fence because a coyote will hear the wire squeak at half a mile away. Same guys say they'll hear a mouse fart from a 1/2 mile away. I'd ask the coyotes I've called how far away they were when they heard the call but they're either dead or got away.
 

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Posted by Kelly Jackson (Member # 977) on November 28, 2012, 01:46 PM:
 
Hell - I thought you was post 2 pull on a wire and make sounds like a deer in distress...
 

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Posted by DesertGhost (Member # 4170) on November 28, 2012, 08:26 PM:
 
TA17Rem, I use these calls all over the west anywhere from 1300 ft in the deserts and up to 9000 ft and no problem with them anywhere I use them. As for you saying that they arent loud . . . . well, Id say let Red or myself sit next to you or even across a room and then tell me they aint loud. In Utah, I watched a coyote come from over a mile away, in the WIDE open. About 4-5 seconds after calling, the coyote stood up and started hauling right towards us. plain and simple. volume is the fault of the user, not the calls!

Kokopeli, I use pup distress and howls ALL YEAR! and have great success with them. Its kind of like a doe coming to a fawn distress call in august or sept. They know the sound, and will respond.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on November 28, 2012, 10:14 PM:
 
I guess I should of added more detail.. What I was getting at is the diaphragms are no louder than most handcalls/howlers that are out there today..
Most likey only putting out about 80-90 db. if that...
Not knocking the diaphragms as I'm sure they work but they are'nt anymore special than a good hand call/howler..

Question you need to ask yourself is how many coyotes did'nt it pull in....
Not all coyotes will respond to a pup in distress, if they did that would be the only sound any caller would need.. So now all you have is just a few howls and rabbit screams. Pretty limited would'nt you agree??

Anyway nice product you have and good luck with the sales.....
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on November 28, 2012, 11:00 PM:
 
Don't you fellas worry about timmy, he gets defensive and opinionated whenever someone uses a caller that doesnt say WT on it..... that and the fact that he's an idiot leaves him with the overwhelming desire to spew pointless nonsense all over threads like this one.

The reason timmy couldn't get his diaphragm to sound as good as yours is because he borrowed it from his girlfriend, the good news is that he has never gotten pregnant.

I think you fellas do a damn fine job on the call, nice video and good music at the end, good job, now I'm gonna go watch your other videos.

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Posted by YuckItUpRed (Member # 4256) on November 28, 2012, 11:22 PM:
 
TA, add fawn distress, blue jay distress, all coyote vocals, cat meows, cat distress, fox distress, elk vocals, chicken, monkey and turkey and you've got all the "typical" sounds I can make with an MFK diaphragm. Then there are all those other stupid noises I can make with 'em.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on November 29, 2012, 04:02 AM:
 
WOW! sounds like you got all the bases covered.. Good luck..
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on November 29, 2012, 08:18 AM:
 
I envy you guys that can use those things. They can produce a heck of a wide variety of sounds without hand movement. Totally cool. Unfortunately, I have a gag reflex from Hell and there's no way I can use one.
Funny thing, though. A long time ago my blushing child-bride was watching me try out a diaphragm call. I wasn't having much luck. Couldn't get past the gagging, let alone make any proper sounds. Her comment was that she would let me die before she called 911 to tell them that her husband had a diaphragm stuck in his throat.
Haven't tried to use one since.
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on November 29, 2012, 09:18 AM:
 
I went almost a whole winter one year with nothing more than Johnny Stewarts canine pup tape playing on my little JS512 caller and killed a truck load of coyotes.

I've used pup distress year round, it works and too many idiots get hung up on too much volume... Namely timmy.
 

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Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on November 29, 2012, 09:43 AM:
 
I use pup distress year round here and there.
Also,diaphragms have plenty of volume once you get used to em.
Mark
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on November 29, 2012, 10:11 AM:
 
After giving away my cocobolo Rhino call to a friend of Lochi, and after seeing his CD setup, which was totally unworkable; I spent the next ten days using a diaphragm call every night and called in a bunch of jackals. (he had told me it couldn't be done)

A diaphragm is perhaps the most versatile and cheapest call you can buy. And, as loud as you want, and as muted as you want, which is sometimes difficult with an open reed.

I don't know what it is with the gag reflex? I think, instead of trying to swallow it, you need to place it just behind your teeth and keep your tongue pressed against it. If you experience a gag reflex, you have it in the wrong part of your mouth. I can just see koko in the casket, like in The Silence Of The Lambs....WAIT! What's that in his mouth?

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on November 29, 2012, 11:10 AM:
 
Yes, good point L, you can get low volume just as easily, which comes in handy...a lot.
Mark
ps..whatever happened to Lochi anyways? I remember he came here to hunt in AZ with Higgins, and you went to Africa and all that, but aint heard much of him past few years.

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on November 29, 2012, 11:46 AM:
 
You know the old saying Tom. "You can't call em if they can't hear it"..
I've never had a coyote turn away cause the volume was to loud....
Another good thing about calling loud is you can make fewer stands in a given area and then move on to the next.. Only issue you need to worry about is terr. lines...

As for the gag reflex from trying to use a diaphragm call all you need to do is trim it back till it fits comfortable and you no longer have the urge to gag....
You also need to keep the dam things clean by dipping in some sort of mouth wash as they do a fine job of collecting bacteria and can cause yeast infection, same canbe said for hand calls mostly open reed.. Alot depends on a persons immune system as some will get just a dry scratchy throat or a slight cough that can last a few days or move onto strep throat or yeast infection...
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on November 29, 2012, 01:22 PM:
 
My feeling is that if you're calling in coyotes, good on you. Every caller and every area have their own idiosyncrasies that have to be learned.
But........if they're hanging up so far away that you need a .22-50BMG Magnum Improved to reach them, you `may` be using a bit more volume than you need.
If you underestimate a coyote's hearing, you've already made your first mistake of the day.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on November 29, 2012, 02:07 PM:
 
On the subject of coyote's hearing. I was making a stand somewhere around midday and not very enthusiastic, at that. So, I was in an area where there was a coyote behind every bush, and had some barking off and on, but couldn't come up with a sound they liked so I figured they had made me and had no intention of responding anytime soon.

So, using a Johnny Stewart 512 with a remote speaker, I turned the volume down to zero, but left it play, for some reason, maybe so that it would play to the end and be ready for turning over?

I sorta had my back to the speaker and the direction of the occasional bark. After a minute or so, (I don't know what made me look over my shoulder but I did and) there was a pair of coyotes on a beeline for the speaker. By the time I got a gun in position, they saw me but they were close enough to the speaker to spit on it before flaring off. I managed to get a bullet in one with a woof.

I picked up the speaker later and held it to my ear with the volume all the way down and could hear a slight white noise. But, it's my belief that there was a sound and they heard it from well over 100 yards away, and made up their mind in short order.

The subject of how far away can a coyote hear a call has been discussed many times and it always depends. On many factors. I assume the coyotes barking at me were down wind, but since it was calm, I can't be sure but that's where they usually bark from and sound carries better in that direction.

If you want to mess them up sometime, aim the speaker in the opposite direction and see what happens.

Good hunting. Lima Bravo

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Posted by ursus21 (Member # 3556) on November 29, 2012, 02:25 PM:
 

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I've never had a coyote turn away cause the volume was to loud....

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I have found them particularly useful in areas that have been over called by guys with electronic callers.

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Thats why I use a WT so I don't have to resort to some other type of caller or handcall...
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on November 29, 2012, 03:51 PM:
 

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But........if they're hanging up so far away that you need a .22-50BMG Magnum Improved to reach them, you `may` be using a bit more volume than you need.
If you underestimate a coyote's hearing, you've already made your first mistake of the day.

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By your own admission there are hills in this prairie country and it doesn't take much of a contour in the land to hide a coyote while he makes his escape.

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Well if thats happening on your stands you must be doing something wrong..

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If anything they are limited severely by their lack of versatility in regards to sound selection and diversity.

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Your friend must of pinched a few pennies when it came to sound selection..
WT has more coyote vocals out than anyone else that I'm aware of along with a big collection of prey distress sounds that can cover almost any situation.. I have never had a stand where I felt I did'nt have the proper sounds to call a difficult coyote in.. In alot of cases once I've got a coyote interested I can go back and use a sound that did'nt get them comeing at the start of my stand.. Nothing magical about the WT just need to learn how to "READ" a coyotes body language.
Don't know how it is in Montana but the coyotes in one of the areas I call have a habit of going to a ridge top for a look see, even if they don't have any plans to come in to the caller at that time..( a pair of Bino.'s come in real handy for this)
Sure there might be a few coyotes that run off without me seeing them, but not because the caller was to loud, but more along the lines of being conditioned a few times before I got to them....

Had a friend have this happen a few times in Wyoming.. I told him he already had half the battle won by just haveing the coyote show itself, on the down side he was not able to convince the coyotes to come in.. The sounds are there just need to learn how to use them...
 

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Posted by DesertGhost (Member # 4170) on November 30, 2012, 08:01 AM:
 
Okay okay okay. . . . . I get it, you like an e-caller. No big deal, thats your option and opinion and thats fine. But you have to admit that an e-caller is NO MATCH for a diaphragm when it comes to natural sounding coyote vocals. I am sorry but a coyote is a flesh and blood animal howling from a flesh lined throat. (follow me here) An e-caller is a PLASTIC BOX! with a speaker, most of the ones I have seem are a plastic cone speaker. When you are using a diaphragm call, you are calling from a flesh lined throat. where you can control the pitch changes, the gurgles, and the sound change from the closed mouth start to the open mouth howl.

I cant tell you how many times I have been out on a stand or walking into a stand and from a mile away (not literally) say to myself "they are using an e-caller" its sounds like its coming from a PLASTIC BOX! and then to sit down and call in a coyote right off where they are calling (yes we were calling against eachother) and have the coyote come in to the diaphragms. Im sorry, e-callers have a spot in the sport, sure, for the guys that dont want to put in the time to REALLY learn how to properly use mouth calls. You cant tell me its a money thing, cause those e-callers (like foxpro) are expensive. If they got a couple hundred dollars for an e-caller, they could have bought a lot of mouth calls, and DVDs to learn how to use them. and even had money left over for gas to go try them out in the field.

Im a little bias, but e-callers suck. they dont sound realistic to me. and Im not the only one that has said that, and I wont be the last.

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Posted by ursus21 (Member # 3556) on November 30, 2012, 08:26 AM:
 
DesertGhost I agree with you all the way around. I wish I could master a diaphragm call. Perhaps someday I will, but until then I will rely on friends that are exceptionally good with them. As for Dim-Tim no matter how logically or simple you explain things to him, he has not got the mental capacity to grasp it. I've only learned one thing from him in all the posts he's ever made (he makes countless posts), and that is whatever he recommends, do just the opposite for success.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on November 30, 2012, 08:43 AM:
 
Well, perhaps?

There is no way a mouth call can overcome the advantage of the ecaller with remote activation.

I'm not advocating anything, the diaphragm is just another tool in the shed. And, a very versatile tool, at that. But, it puts the focus on the caller and that's not a good thing, when calling alone, at least.

You know, Murray Burnham can call a coyote with a blade of grass, they tell me? Whatever you use, as soon as the coyote has a clear line of sight, any movement whatsoever will spook him.

If you are looking for numbers, an ecaller can't be beat, rack 'em and stack 'em. I'd rave on the diaphragm for cats, but it's the same thing....they are looking right at you, probably before you even detect them.

All of which is why I can't say one tool is superior to another, they all have their place in the cosmos. The smart guy knows what to use and when to use it.

Good hunting. Lima Brav 0

edit: I admit. I get a lot of complaints about the bumpkin from the norte country, but until he violates the TOS, he's got nothing to fear. You remember those TOS, don't you?

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Posted by ursus21 (Member # 3556) on November 30, 2012, 08:52 AM:
 

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Well now you went and ruled Tim out.

Leonard don't get me wrong I really like my CS-24B and it gets the job done most of the time. However, I've seen what a guy can do with a diaphragm in a heavily called area and it's pretty impressive. Like you said it's another tool and one I like having along when I can.
 

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Posted by jimanaz (Member # 3689) on November 30, 2012, 09:12 AM:
 

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I cant tell you how many times I have been out on a stand or walking into a stand and from a mile away (not literally) say to myself "they are using an e-caller" its sounds like its coming from a PLASTIC BOX! and then to sit down and call in a coyote right off where they are calling (yes we were calling against eachother) and have the coyote come in to the diaphragms.

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I'm not calling you a liar, but I don't believe that for a second. Not saying that it couldn't happen, but the "how many times" part destroys any credibility. Why in the world would anybody waste any time "calling against eachother"? Most, if not all, competant callers would go directly back to the truck if they heard the dreaded "PLASTIC BOX" or a diaphram, or anything in between, and I'm pretty sure you're competant. That rings even more true if you're close enough to determine what the sound is coming from.
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on November 30, 2012, 09:25 AM:
 
The videos and sounds you guys make with those diaphragm calls is really impressive. I will likely give them a try up here, since they're a freeze-proof setup that doesn't require use of the hands. For night calling though, there's nothing better than an e-caller (here in the arctic). Trying to blow into any type of mouthcall or diaphragm in the cold just generates too much steam into the air. Looking through that steam with a light is just blinding. I try to simply time my breathing near the "end" of a scan so that I'm not looking through just my breath. It works pretty well, but can be tricky on a dead calm night when the steam lingers around for 20-30 seconds.

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Timmy, you need to count the coyote sounds in each manufacturer's library. WT doesn't have the most.

Also, WT has leased their sounds to a bunch of cheap e-call manufacturers. Lots of guys will be training up the coyote's with WT sounds. Time for you to sell out and get one you can program more sounds on.

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Posted by YuckItUpRed (Member # 4256) on November 30, 2012, 09:37 AM:
 
Ahhh, the old e-call vs handcall debate. I'll bite.

First off, to support a friend and fellow team member, like DesertGhost, I have been on stand many times and heard a foxpro kick on in the distance. Had one stand when I sat down and started calling with some howls. Five seconds later I hear Foxpro's group howl start up. We ran into the guys later and asked them if they heard all those coyote howling. They said yes and that they tried to call them in with howls. We all got a chuckle when I told them they were trying to call me. With the growing number of "callers", I'll get to that, it's not that hard to believe that he's heard foxpros playing while he's calling. Blah blah blah, that's enough about that one.

On to e-call vs hand calling. E-calls definitely have their place like I've stated many times before. That place just isn't on a stand I'm hunting. I don't personally like them at all but I don't have any problem with hunters that use them for the most part. Do they work? Yup. Do they keep attention off of you? Yup. Are you a predator caller if you use one all the time? Nope. You're a predator hunter. I pride myself in my ability to use a call well and I practice a lot to stay sharp. I know guys that only e-call and they're great hunters and I have a lot of respect for them but it's just not the way I want to hunt coytoes. Keep stacking them up however you wish and you'll get a high five from me every time. I will razz you for using an e-call a little but it's all in fun.

I don't worry about getting the sound away from me because I want the coytoes in my lap. I mean right in my lap. Not having to move is a great benifit of an e-call but I solved that problem with diaphragms.Hand call, e-call, trap (totally different topic there), run dogs, shoot them from a helicopter, drop a nuke on them; you ain't gonna hurt my feelings any. Stack 'em high and be sure to tell the story around the camp fire cus I wan to hear it.

Red
 

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Posted by jimanaz (Member # 3689) on November 30, 2012, 10:18 AM:
 
To clarify: I wasn't disputing anything about hearing another caller, real or Memorex
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on November 30, 2012, 11:32 AM:
 
ElBee, you're all wrong. Remember timmy holds that caller above his head and turns round and round broadcasting the sound at full volume and now he tells us he does it while spotting with binos. Evidently movement on stand is a good thing?

I use my cs24 quite often cause Im lazy. It takes a lot out of me to use mouth calls when I really try to sound hurt. Throw in the days when my head is throbbing and you can bet the FP is playing.

But I get more out of calling one than pushing a button, especially when it's a call I've made. And for a few years it was really fun when my cuzz's e-caller would quit and Id take over with a mouth call, it never failed when Id call one in, he'd say why do I tote this thing around? I guess it was easier to carry than me though
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on November 30, 2012, 11:34 AM:
 
Does a Tom64 fit on a lanyard? You might be onto a new line of callers there.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on November 30, 2012, 12:59 PM:
 
He's just hinting around, he wants his job back.

There is no doubt that hand calling gives satisfaction, a real feeling of accomplishment. But, you heard him folks. Calling all day wears you out, at our age anyway.

Do you ever get the feeling that Timmy is pulling our collective leg? Don't try to analyze him too much, it will make your head hurt.

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by ursus21 (Member # 3556) on November 30, 2012, 01:12 PM:
 
I have a hard time believing Timmy is as stupid as he comes across here, but then again look who this nation re-elected? So I guess it is possible he is really "that" stupid.

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on November 30, 2012, 01:24 PM:
 
My out of state hunts are limited so when I'm out calling for a week I want to put as much fur on stretchers as I can, a E-caller allows me to do this.. The use of hand calls/Diaph. would require me to make more stands closer together which I feel is a waste of valuble time...
As for useing a hand call/diaph. or E-caller I'm not looking for personnel satifaction, I'm looking to kill as many coyotes as I can..

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Good for Bill..
I don't care how many guys are training up a coyote with there F-P or WT's or even hand calls as they can still be called with the same sounds the others have used..
What you fail to understand about a coyote is all you have to do is get it convinced there is another coyote out there or a animal in distress and give it something it wants to trip its trigger (watch body language)..
If you can't do this then you failed as a Pred. caller or perhaps your equipement is'nt up to par.
Once you have tripped the trigger you can go back and use most any sound you want to bring them in and yes you can use a sound that was played or used earlier on stand or even used by a caller weeks before..
Its like trying to coach a dog to cross a small stream for the first time, first you get the dogs attension and then use a serious of words to get the dog excited or relaxed and before you know it, its crossed over the stream...

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on November 30, 2012, 01:42 PM:
 
That same technique works on human females. (I've been told?)

Good hunting. Lima Brav 0
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on November 30, 2012, 01:57 PM:
 
Maybe you need a new title Tim.

Mr. Can call anything, with anything, at anytime...And see them all too...Just ask me.
 

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Posted by ursus21 (Member # 3556) on November 30, 2012, 02:01 PM:
 
Yaaaawwwwn. Sorry dozed off there for a second reading Tim's last post.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on November 30, 2012, 02:14 PM:
 
I believe your right Wookie..
I do pretty well on Red fox, coyotes, and think I have the coon figured out as well. Some of my friends say I do a mean duck or goose calling as well.. Oh! I did pretty good on calling pheasants last year to of which I don't think anyone here has done or tried..
I'm looking forward to try my hand at calling Mn. wolves next year if I can get a tag and time allows...
Thanks Wookie..
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on November 30, 2012, 03:12 PM:
 
You do well tooting your own horn. You could improve in all other areas though.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on November 30, 2012, 03:36 PM:
 
Thanks again.. If thats what you want to call it fine by me. It really bothers some people though.. Don't it???

And yes there is always room for improvements and I try to improve every chance I get while others just idle along..
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on November 30, 2012, 03:42 PM:
 
I don't let the stupid stuff bother me. No need to get all worked up over some internet hero, that's for sure. Good luck out there.
 

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Posted by DesertGhost (Member # 4170) on December 01, 2012, 08:23 AM:
 
jimanaz - (since I cant figure out how to "Quote" a reply) you said this:
I'm not calling you a liar, but I don't believe that for a second. Not saying that it couldn't happen, but the "how many times" part destroys any credibility. Why in the world would anybody waste any time "calling against eachother"? Most, if not all, competant callers would go directly back to the truck if they heard the dreaded "PLASTIC BOX" or a diaphram, or anything in between, and I'm pretty sure you're competant. That rings even more true if you're close enough to determine what the sound is coming from.

Here is my reply:

You mention that I have an "how many times" part that destroys my credibility. Id like to see where I posted how many times I said ive done it. . . . cause Im pretty sure that it says "I cant tell you how many times" and to clarify it, that number is 3! twice in Utah, and once in Arizona. It was a "lead in" for the rest of the statement. EASY does it haus.

Now back on to the topic... This post was about the MFK Web-Tv episode. Lets get back to that as the topic. and on that note - Episode 7 coming next week! Stay tuned.
 

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Posted by TRnCO (Member # 690) on December 01, 2012, 08:40 AM:
 

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I cant tell you how many times I have been out on a stand or walking into a stand and from a mile away (not literally) say to myself "they are using an e-caller" its sounds like its coming from a PLASTIC BOX! and then to sit down and call in a coyote right off where they are calling (yes we were calling against eachother) and have the coyote come in to the diaphragms

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so who's to say that "the" coyote that you called in didn't go to the ecaller because of A)wrong sound selection from the ecaller, B)ecaller sitting in the wrong spot where "the" coyote has been called to before, C)ecaller was out of "the" coyotes territory, D)"the" coyote saw them or heard them get to thier stand location, E)you were closer to "the" coyote hencs making it easier for "the" coyote to respond to your calling, F)you get the idea. It means nothing really. "The" coyote for what ever reason came your way. Did you start calling first? Was "the" coyote actually going toward the ecaller before you started and you changed it's mind? To say that "the" coyote came to you because you were using the unfailable maouth call is an awful big assumption, but since you're trying to make a case for the mouth call, it's seems like an easy sell.
The mouth call being more or less effective than an ecall will be discussed until eternity. But the fact of the matter is that sometimes the law of averages makes us read into things that aren't really there. I mean, surely many of us have a hunting buddy that when calling together you'll take turns doing the calling. Kind of make a contest out of it. Sure as the wind blows, one of you will call in the most coyotes on one day, or even two days in a row, but more times than not, the odds are that things will be different the next time you hunt together. Same as sexing the coyotes. Ever notice a string of coyotes being one sex or the other, several in a row. Is it because one day only the males were responding, or the females, but is it possible that those coyotes were the ones in the area and mostly one sex at the time.
I'd guess the most probably reason that you were able to recognize howls coming from an ecaller were in fact coming from an ecaller not because you could tell that the sounds were coming from a "plastic" cone, but instead because the howls were repetitive and recognizable because of that one fact. To say that your human ear can hear the difference in ecall howls and the real thing from a mile away, hardly think so.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 01, 2012, 09:23 AM:
 
To whom it may concern:

You know, this is HM, and you would be wise to keep that in mind. The average member here is a lot smarter and has vastly more experience than what you see on Predator Masters.

I am a big fan of opinion. On HM, expect to defend your opinions, or somebody will eat your lunch. Keep this in mind before you start telling us what you know.

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by jimanaz (Member # 3689) on December 01, 2012, 11:07 AM:
 
Took the words right out of my mouth, LB.

Now, to get back off topic:

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I cant tell you how many times I have been out on a stand or walking into a stand and from a mile away (not literally) say to myself "they are using an e-caller" its sounds like its coming from a PLASTIC BOX! and then to sit down and call in a coyote right off where they are calling (yes we were calling against eachother) and have the coyote come in to the diaphragms.

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I cant tell you how many times I have been out on a stand or walking into a stand and from a mile away (not literally) say to myself "they are using an e-caller" its sounds like its coming from a PLASTIC BOX! and then to sit down and call in a coyote right off where they are calling (yes we were calling against eachother) and have the coyote come in to the diaphragms

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Same could be said about E-callers as well.
I was doing a coyote calling contest a few years back. I had permission to call this ranch that had a nice deep draw that ran north and south and ended just behind the ranch house..
At the time that I set up to call I did'nt know there was another team also set up in the draw by some trees about 1/4 mile away..
Anyway as I was calling I spotted a coyote comeing up the draw running on the east side of it and about half way up from the bottom and was makeing a bee-line for my position. As it was passing the small group of tree's a shot rang out and the coyote dropped. WTF!
I got in the truck and headed down the draw to talk to who ever was there, which at the time was suppose to be just me..
I found out they were useing hand calls at the time and they heard some of my howls from the plastic box thinking I was a coyote and they started calling to me...
They spotted the coyote running past them and headed in my direction so they took the shot thinking there was more than one coyote..LOL
Turns out the coyote won big dog in the contest.. So I could say the plastic box is a better calling tool vrs. hand calls but actually I just happen to use better sounds and reach farther out is all..
I've called many a pastures that was also called by others that used E-calls or hand calls and I still was able to bring coyotes in with my plastic box and once again due to better sounds, loud volume and know how to use the sounds I have....
Most of the sounds you claim you can make with a diaph. I can also make on my caller and all the sounds I have are actual recordings of live animals so it dose'nt make your call/diaph. any better over mine..
Anyway your. Diaph. call is just another tool to help put more fur on the stretcher if one chooses to use one in there bag of tricks....

Edit to add: I hope you guys decide to stick around and talk coyotes as we all could perhaps learn something but just remember to go easey as most members here have been doing it for awhile and some alot longer..

[ December 01, 2012, 01:20 PM: Message edited by: TA17Rem ]
 

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Posted by YuckItUpRed (Member # 4256) on December 01, 2012, 01:57 PM:
 
I ain't going nowhere TA. I totally agree that diaphragms are just another tool. All I can do it make posts based off my experiences. In my short coyote hunting career I've had more luck once I made my "no ecalls stands" rule and again my success increased even more when I switched to diaphragms. I didn't join this site to promote at all. I know y'all are experienced callers for the most part and have good success. I joined because I met a few HM guys at the GTG. No other reason. I live killing coyotes and talking about killing coyotes. One thing I will say though, just because somebody hasn't been doing this for 15 years doesn't mean they don't know what they're doing. Going to college for eight years don't make you a doctor, especially if you're pulling straight Ds. I am by no means an expert and I have a lot to learn. If you aren't learning every time out you're doing it wrong. If you learn and progress in the sport, you're doing it just right.
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on December 01, 2012, 02:01 PM:
 
Besides we get extra credit for hi-jacking a thread.
 

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Posted by YuckItUpRed (Member # 4256) on December 01, 2012, 03:21 PM:
 
Kinda like coyotes with white tipped tails?
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on December 01, 2012, 03:38 PM:
 
If I'm not mistaken, I believe that both circumstances merit an extra two points.

Ok........This whole pup distress thing intrigues me. I just programed in a Johnny Stewart Canine Pups Distress sound into the FoxPro off of a tape and noticed that the label on the tape said it calls in coyote, fox & bobcat.
Question; Have any of you guys had any luck with bobcat coming in to a canine distress sound??? I hunt some fairly thick areas and would hate to think that I'm targeting strictly $10 coyotes to the exclusion of high $$ bobcats.

Thanx!!!!
 

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Posted by Prune Picker (Member # 4107) on December 01, 2012, 03:49 PM:
 
I was just looking online at Academy Sports. They have several FoxPro's priced for Xmas.
Wild Fire w/remote for $199.00
Fire Storm w/remote for $399.00 (on clearence)
Fury w/remote for $499.00
Any opinions on which one is the best price or best value?
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on December 01, 2012, 03:55 PM:
 
Koko I have had Red fox come in to coyote pup distress or maybe it was the coyote howls or the rabbit distress or could of been all three sounds..
 

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Posted by YuckItUpRed (Member # 4256) on December 01, 2012, 04:20 PM:
 
Saw a coyote come in to peacock once. To answer the question, the only thing I've ever called with pup distress were coyotes.
 

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Posted by TRnCO (Member # 690) on December 01, 2012, 04:37 PM:
 
I know a guy that posts on NPHA that called in a bobcat just a couple of weeks ago and he had only used pup distress before the cat showed. He wasn't even trying to call a bobcat in.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 01, 2012, 05:17 PM:
 
Depends where you are. Down in McNeal, I have called several coyotes while standing beside the truck, blowing my nose.

But, I remember one night, rained all night, but it was a big contest so we hunted. I was using a canine pup distress, (not the hurt kiyi) and called in a nice bobcat, pouring rain. I have no explanation, but some things work, defying all logic.

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on December 01, 2012, 08:22 PM:
 
PruneDude;
My advice would be to watch EBay for a deal on a FpxPro 416 w/remote. It's not the latest & greatest but it will still call a few in.

Bobcats with canine distress sounds.......who would'a thunk it??
 

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Posted by Alaskan Yoter (Member # 169) on December 01, 2012, 08:43 PM:
 
Ya know these MFK guys kind of roll like the early FP crowd did a few years back. I wonder if they got a hold of the FP training manual for staffers and pro staffers?
 

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Posted by Prune Picker (Member # 4107) on December 01, 2012, 08:46 PM:
 
Thanks Koko, Tom once told me my mouth calls would work better if i would get rid of the Copenhagen snuff "tweenth my cheek & gums". I think he is a liberal for saying that to me.
 

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Posted by jasonpredhunter (Member # 3843) on December 01, 2012, 10:04 PM:
 
Alaskan Yoter:
Ya know these MFK guys kind of roll like the early FP crowd did a few years back. I wonder if they got a hold of the FP training manual for staffers and pro staffers?

Apparantly you don't know us...LOL
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on December 01, 2012, 10:31 PM:
 
No we don't know you guys but the song has a familiar tune...

Don't sweat it just keep killing coyotes.
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on December 01, 2012, 10:34 PM:
 
Oh and Mikey (prune picker), turn loose some of that cash and get a cs24 if you want a caller. You ain't never bought the entry level anything, don't start now.

Liberal my ass
 

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Posted by Prune Picker (Member # 4107) on December 01, 2012, 11:09 PM:
 
Tom in the next couple of weeks i will have the Dillons up and running again. I just have to finish, glue and seal the bench first. then we can turn out some ammo . I will have the Posness Warren set up for the 308's also. Then i will get you to find me a caller.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 02, 2012, 09:24 AM:
 
Unbelievably good advice from unexpected source!

Good hunting. El Bee
(just kidding)
 

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