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TA17Rem
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posted January 28, 2012 11:24 PM
As leonard mentioned I picked up a Redbone hound from the county dog pound. Its a female about 2 1/2 years old and well manored and a plus its also house broken and sits in the passenger seat when driveing home.. She seems to adapted well to her new home and catches on pretty quick..
She slipped out of her collar this mourning due to a cat track comeing by the house in the snow that got her pretty excited.. She trailed the track to a farm thats about 1/4 mile from my house and ended up at the front door of the farm house which is a good sign..
At the moument she is still in heat so I won't do any hunting till she comes out of it and then to the vet. to have her fixed..
The plans for her is for hunting coyotes and maybe later on coons and may take her on stand when calling for a look-out dog for nite calling. Will just have to see how she works out once I get going with her.. Since I have a little time before I can hunt her I will get her tuned up on a few simple commands I like to use and hand signals...
She is a big dog but I will have another dog to hunt with her and to help get her going in the right direction and get the coyotes moveing..
She will not be used for a kill dog what so ever, thats what a gun is for...
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posted January 29, 2012 01:47 AM
nice lookig hound.
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posted January 29, 2012 10:46 AM
That sure is a good looking dog! I'm jealous.
Good hunting. LB
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posted January 29, 2012 12:33 PM
She's a big ol gal, nice looking hound Tim. I'll be interested how she works out for coyotes and how you decide to use her. Coons will undoubtedly be right up her alley, along with everything else that wanders through your neighborhood, is she very vocal?
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TA17Rem
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posted January 29, 2012 12:58 PM
I think she is big enough to handle herself around a single but will have to wait and see..
Yes she is vocal when a stranger approaches the house and keeps quiet when she should. Had to of my twin nephews over last night to look at the dog.. Soon as they came in the door she was pretty vocal with both of them and drew a line on how far she would let them come into the house.. Found out the nephews had there bird dog along in the truck and its scent as all over there hands. One of the boys reached up and rubbed his hands on my hunting jacket and the dog soon mellowed with him and even allowed him to pet her.. LOL
Yes I would say from being around other hounds she has a deep loud voice and should carry well..
Right now she is sleeping about 5 ft. away as I type this and has been really mellow all day except for when I left the house to test out the MA-21 she was a little upset according to the wife, so I would say we are bonding good as well...
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posted January 29, 2012 02:51 PM
Piss,Moan, Snivel, Whine.....I want to have a dog again, someday.
Tim, even your harshest critic would have to give you credit for rescuing a pound hound. The best dog that I ever had came from the pound, as will the next one, when it's time.
I gotta tell ya though, I keep getting this mental image of you and the dog sitting out on the patio together, with your arm around the dog & both of you howling at the moon.
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TA17Rem
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posted January 29, 2012 04:55 PM
Koko I've rescued more than a few dogs from the pound through the years, but you have to be careful of what you bring home. Some dogs get damaged so bad there is'nt much you can do with them or for them no matter how much time you spend with them...
In Coppers case ( my dogs name) she was found about 7 miles north of me by a farmer who happen to have dogs as well.. He placed a add in both local papers and ran both for two weeks with no response from the dogs owner.. ( No one reads the papers these days)
I kept thinking about this dog so I finally called the farmer to see if the owner came forward to claim the dog, he said no! I asked if I could have the dog and he replied that he just got done takeing it down to the county pound..
I asked him a few questions about the dog since he was a dog owner also and he gave me nothing but a good review of the dog.. This perked up my interest even more so I made a call to the pound and you no the rest...
Its been 3 days now and this dog is vantastic, can't understand why the owner has'nt put a add in the paper looking for this dog...
As for the howling at the moon we did that last night on the front deck..LOL
She just walked up to me a second ago for her ear scratching and is now back on her matt resting..
I have to now see if I can find one of those Garmen GPS collars for the dog.. A friend brought one over for me to look at and they are pretty neet.. You can zoom in on them and know exactly where the dog is in a 1X1 mile section..
May get one for the wife as well so I can keep track of her also..LOL
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posted January 29, 2012 09:35 PM
I'm thinking these pain meds have me messed up. You've done a good thing? And JD is actually cordial with you? This must be some good stuff man!
Just kidding, you done a good thing. I just have one question about her as a coyote dog. Since you said she won't be used as a kill dog, ain't she kinda big to get em to chase her back to you? I don't know anything about coyote dogs but I thought a smaller dog was a better deal?
Reason I ask is I've been wanting a dog myself and don't really know what to get. And it'll be a few years before I get another hunting dog, just not enough time to hunt right now and I know that ain't good for a hunting dog.
Good on you Tim.
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TA17Rem
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posted January 29, 2012 11:26 PM
Tom: Copper is not going to be a decoy dog, I don't have enough coyotes for that and I also believe the coyotes here won't decoy very well..
A decoy dog has to be used as much as possable or it just sits in the kennel, not a good thing IMO for a dog...
As you know we hunt/stalk our coyotes most of the time or try to push them out of cover into the open and snipe them or push to a awaiting blocker. It dose'nt matter how we get them as long as we do and its done legaly...
My plans for Copper is just another tool to use or another member of the team.. She will be used to track coyotes down in the thick stuff like CRP or plumbrush and hopefully push the coyote out into the open where we can work them into rifle range..
She would be used also to find out what tracks that cross a road are fresh and what tracks are not.. This way a tracker can go into a area and know he is on the right track to start with...
Hopefully she is big enough to deter the coyote or to convince it to run rather than make a stand and fight and if it comes down to a fight hopefully she can handle her own or long enough till one of the trackers can get to her to assist... If I find out that our coyotes are more willing to make a stand then I'll have to add another dog which is already in the works..
Copper seems to listen well and catches on quickly (smart) and perhaps I can train her for other rolls like being a spotter on my nite stands.... I have nothing against guys that use kill dogs but I don't like it personnely so Copper will be trained to bay or chase and only kill to defend herself if needed... I hope this clears up any questions you may have... Get well... Tim.
P.S. Thanks for the kind words... ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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posted January 29, 2012 11:54 PM
I had a dog, as a kid, named Copper. Maybe he should have been named Lover Boy as he was quite the sire? He was marked like a Black and Tan but probably had more Lab in him than anything?
Good hunting. La Boski
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posted January 30, 2012 06:40 AM
That makes sense Tim. I've just had the decoying dogs on my mind for awhile now and that's all I was thinking of.
My Grandma had a neighbor that raised coon hounds and gave her a black and tan dog she named Heck, he was a big dog and very smart, he would bite a door knob and turn it to let himself in or out unless you locked the door, I kid you not. Hadn't thought of him in a long time, pretty worthless except for opening doors, never would close em though.
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posted January 30, 2012 07:19 AM
Good looking hound Tim.
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posted January 30, 2012 12:57 PM
She is big for a female. Head more like a bluetick than a typical redbone, but redbones are such wonderful hounds, who cares. She may just need some exercise and she'll regain that regal, droop-eared, sad-eyed redbone head.
I've run behind redbones before and find them to be an enjoyable breed. Very different than a Walker treeing hound or an English dog, both of which run head up and at full tilt, criss-crossing the track as they work it in what appears to them to be the general direction of travel. It never ceased to amaze me how they could tell which direction a coon was going by the difference between the degree of scent is available between one track and the next three.
Redbones, by contrast, are track straddlers, working with their noses down, smelling each and every spot where their quarry placed its foot, dragged its ass, whatever is available to them. They tend to work a track a bit slower than the running breeds, but they can sure do their job when they need to.
I had a young female named Sadie. In her summer coat, she was the sleekest most beautiful hound you'd ever want to see - like a thoroughbred horse. On track, she'd run along with her tail corkscrewed in a full, tight circle above her back, bouncing from one side to another like the radio antenna on your back bumper. It wasn't until I did that article on coyote scent did I full understand and appreciate the source of that loud popping sound I could hear when Sadie was huffing a scent. Sounded like pistons slapping. And she had a bawl mouth that you could hear two miles away. To me, it was the sound of music. To my neighbors in town who got to hear it every time a thunderstorm moved through (they terrified her), not so much. LOL
As healthy as she looks, Tim, and by the description you offer of how she's behaving, I just can't believe someone dumped her. Somewhere, somebody is still looking for their dog.
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posted January 30, 2012 01:05 PM
^^^ True Lance, someone may still be looking for her but as much as it pains me to say something nice about Tim I do believe she is in good hands now. I love dogs and she looks to be a promising one for sure.
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TA17Rem
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posted January 30, 2012 01:42 PM
Lance one things for sure she is not a puppy anylonger and perhaps lost her appeal to the oringanal owner. I've seen it happen many times... Dogs are much like kids you have set time asside for them as well.. Some people find they don't have enough time to spend with there kids and a dog if they have one so one of them is going to get put back on the back burner and usually its the dog that looses out...
Before I got Copper my wife has said for a year or so that she dose'nt want to see anymore dogs around so I decided we should have a vote.. My son Dakota was in favor along with me and the wife said no! LOL Well you know how that turned out..
It took the wife about a hour of being around the dog and seeing how well she behaves and now likes the dog almost as much as I do..
I'm still trying to talk her into giveing the dog a bath..LOL
My son just loves the dog as well but does'nt get much time to spend with her as he has school,basketball, homework and the bed..
Was out again today with the dog just driveing around hopeing I could find a few fresh tracks to let the dog look over and see how she takes to them, but no such luck..
I drove by a couple of spots I know there are coyotes around and had the window down with a lite breeze blowing back in at us and she took a interest to a couple of places as she had her nose in the air and wanted to get out of the truck pretty bad...
Some of the guys want to hunt tommorrow and want me to bring the dog along of which I will, but I told them I won't let her go into any of the big sections till I get a tracking collar or have enough people along to spot..
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posted February 02, 2012 09:51 PM
Introduced Copper to her first coyote that I had on the trap-line.. Copper dam near tore the door off getting out of the truck to get a closer look at the coyote..LOL
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posted February 10, 2012 06:33 AM
Tim,
I have two young cur dogs I need to move if your redbone doesn't work out. They are well bred for decoying coyotes. I kept what I thought would be the two best pups for a couple friends and it didn't work out for either of them to have them. Let me know if you or anyone else is interested. I need to move them ASAP.
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posted February 10, 2012 11:05 AM
Hey Scott. Do you have a couple pics? That would help. And, have they worked coyotes, seen coyotes?
Good hunting. LB
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posted February 10, 2012 11:41 AM
Tim, hows Copper coming along? Scott, pics and a price, as much info as you have.
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posted February 10, 2012 12:10 PM
Scott thank you for the offer and I'll keep it in mind... I would really love a decoy dog but I don't have the coyotes to to use one on and the handfull of trips to S.D. would'nt be enough either and it would'nt be fair to the dog to have to sit in a kennel most of the time.. I saw you post a add awhile back and even thought about getting one then to train and then sell but TT has the market flooded with his decoy/kill dogs..LOL
As for Copper she is comeing along really well, I've been laying coyote scent down in the yard for her to follow and she is catching on to it..( dragging dead coyote around)
I'm still waiting for my Garmin tracking collar which should be here by tommorrow and then some of the guys will come along with me and copper and work some tall grass and see how she does for her first time out and will go from there...
I have another dog a friend has that willbe used a little later on, I have to get her fixed before I hunt the two together..
Scott like mentioned could you post a few pic.s and give some detail on the dogs and then I could pass the word along on a few other sites... Take care...Tim...
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posted March 08, 2012 05:34 PM
I had copper out today running some tracks and noticed something Lance said about trail hounds, that some breeds run with there nose to the ground and some with it up..
With Copper I found she runs a scent trail with her nose up and also down depending on how strong the scent is and what the wind is doing..
Here is a big question for some of you, I asked this on another board and did'nt get a answer so maybe someone here knows.
How old can a scent trail be that a dog can still pick up or to refrase the question how fresh does it have to be???????
This applies mostly with snow on the ground and temp.s around 32 degrees...
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posted March 10, 2012 11:25 AM
Tim, theres not a hard and fast ansewr to your qustion.There are a lot of factors in play.
Things like the temp wind and moisture.
The best way for me to tell is how the dog opens and how fast it can get the track moving.
Wet snow would be best wet ground is best. Hard dry ground with wind would be tuff,hard frozen snow or ground would be tuff,and then add some wind.I think I would just stay home and save my gas money.
Any hound worth it's salt should be able to srike a trail from 30 minutes old to 6 hours old.
I my self would expect more out of a hound. If I was a big game hunter that used hounds I would not feed any thing that woud not or could not strike a day old trail.
So I guess all I got is depends on the dogs nose.
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posted March 10, 2012 12:48 PM
CT yep your right there are alot of var. involved..
Years ago when I ran my coon hounds I never had to deal with snow and like said the ground conditions determind when and how fast a dog can pick up a track..
So far I've found that wet snow and warm temps are the better conditions to trail in for the dog but I need to find out how old a track has to be to where a dog won't pick it up.. Some dogs have a hot nose or cold nose and some can go either way but I have not figured out what Copper has yet..
Copper took to some old deer tracks but I reconized the tracks right off the get go and toned her off of them, she also picks up on some of the older coyote tracks but looses the scent or perhaps interest in them after a few 100 yds..
My buddy finally got a chance to bring his July hound along for a day so we worked some of the CRP sections, I noticed his dog likes to range far ahead Vrs. copper works the area from side to side and into the wind like a bird dog..
Could'nt find any tracks to get them going on though...
The July hound did pick up a old deer trail and took off on that and ran for a mile and finally kicked the deer up.. By watching copper on a track she will follow it according to how hard the wind is blowing, No wind and she straddles the track, lite breeze and she is down wind of it running parrell about 5 ft. away and with a little stronger wind she was off set from the track about 10-15 ft. running parrell with it as well...
I'm getting her to the point now that I can stay in the truck and just watch her on the GPS as she works her way down the road or into a section and I don't have to be with her...
This summer I think I'll just have to work with her more on scent trails and go from there next season....
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posted March 18, 2012 03:51 PM
Tim....During the conditions you explained, a good hound should be able to run a track 4 to 5 hours old. Some hounds can smell a track older than this, but if you intend to get the coyote up and running, this is about the limit. A track that is much older means the coyote has had plenty of time to mix in with a bunch of deer or meander through several head of cattle which means tracking is much more difficult.
Also snow conditions dictate a bunch. A soft fluffy snow allows some of it to fall back in the tracks which makes things tough. Under these conditions,wind can fill the tracks in short order. Warming temperatures means scent is leaving the track in a hurry.
In my opinion, you are trying to get that redbone to do something he was not bred to do. Run coyotes. That explains his disinterest in running a warm track. He is a tree hound not a running hound. Cooper has neither the heel nor the want to run coyotes. I am sure you will prove me wrong, but just post up the story when you put him on a fresh track and he is still running strong after 6 or 7 hours.
Those running Walkers and Julys are not what you want either. They are high-headed, wild-running,
no sense SOB's that will take a coyote clear out of the country. If you take one of those Walkers and mix in some good coon hound, now you have something. This hound will be slowed down with a good nose and with enough smarts to swing around the herd of cattle and pick-up the track on the other side. One that is a pleasure to handle with just enough speed to keep pushing the coyote right to your "blockers". What I refer to as a gun dog.
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posted March 18, 2012 04:09 PM
Makes sense, Randy. But, I am told that out here, or between here and Texas, or so; the scent hounds have the ability to run a track in dry conditions and still have enough speed to keep pressure on the quarry.
But, I tend to agree that TA's redbone will have to have much guidance if he expects her to run a coyote track without knowing what she is there for? And, can you teach an old dog new tricks? I don't know, but she is a pretty dog, I just love redbones....and blue ticks.
Good hunting. LB
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