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Chris S
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posted December 29, 2011 04:43 PM
I have a coyote nemesis.
I call a small patch of land that has a very ornery and vocal coyote that needs killin'. Every time I call this area, he finds me and threat bark howls 'til I leave or until his vocal chords hurt.
The wind is ALWAYS in my favor and I have never been spotted coming in, that I know of, by this loudmouth bastard or bastardette. I have a simple solution for it, though. I call and when it starts barking from it's favorite location, the guy I'll have lying in wait will blast it. Sounds simple enough and will make the entire 30 seconds it took me to plan it worth the while. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Have you had a nemesis coyote and what did you do?
[ December 29, 2011, 04:44 PM: Message edited by: Chris S ]
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Rich
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posted December 29, 2011 04:50 PM
No actual nemesis coyote, but I have a friend in Arizona that LOOKS like one. Uncle Jay will scare the hell out of you if you see him in the woods. Look up the word UGLY in your dictionary, and it says "see Uncle Jay". I have heard of guys nailing a barking coyote by having a buddy circle the bugger while you keep it barking. It could work. Maybe not, but iffen ya nail him it will make you feel good.
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TA17Rem
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posted December 29, 2011 05:13 PM
Its favorite spot to howl and bark from. Is this were the coyote beds for the day or just a spot it moves to to give you hell????
How far is your stand from this spot????
Set up inside of the edge of cover with caller out in a open area or just go take its favorite spot and use for a stand location, Oh! And take Leonard along with his shotty..
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Leonard
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posted December 29, 2011 05:31 PM
Yeah! I got a shottie that needs bloody. Have shottie, will travel.
I can't say that I have ever had such a situation, I doubt I have ever called the same coyote twice, or even made a stand in the same place twice. Well, that could be stretching it, a bit, but not during the same season, for sure.
I'd say it could easily apply to bobcat, though? I used to know a couple guys that left on a club hunt and their first stop was a hill close to Goffs where they would light up a bobcat every month. You would think they could come up with a different plan other than hoping he would be hungry enough to come in after just standing there and listening to all that jackrabbit distress, month after month. These guys were pretty good hunters, too. I was amazed at the waste of time, but I never offered critical advice.
Good hunting. LB
edit: for instance: it is quite possible to walk up a bobcat and put his lights out, so to speak. It is remarkable how they stand their ground while you approach closer and closer until you have a "can't miss" situation.
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posted December 29, 2011 05:37 PM
coyote nemesis yes all but 3 of them.And I don't have a clue how to help or what you might try.
You only think that coyote did not know you was in the woods.I would bet it had (has) your number be for you even get away from your truck.Are it at lest picks you out some other way like how you blow your hand call or your ecaller it's self. I have only had that happen out here twice and in the same night in about the same area.
You might try to slip in set down about 20 minutes be for you even do any thing and then just howl afew times and then just sit tight and see if it shows.
And then on the other hand some one who knows a trick or two might reply with some real advice.
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Kelly Jackson
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posted December 29, 2011 07:18 PM
Chris - I had one like that a couple of years back.
Took 5 tries before I got him. Would wait till the wind was from a differant direction and use a differant sound from a new location a couple of times.
Went in tight a couple of times with a shotgun. Always the same he would root me out and tell the world till I left.
Got him one day at high noon. Fawn distress, two short series and then just waited.
After I got him gone, killed several more coyotes from my old good spot.
Good luck and stay after him.
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Chris S
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posted December 29, 2011 07:26 PM
I already know what I'm going to do about my nemesis! I'm going to sit someone in front of the bastard, I'm gonna call and they're going to shoot it in the face.
I've been to this stretch of land 3 times. All at different times of the day and night. All three times, this coyote or one of its mates, has given me hell. The last time was last night at 2:30 am. The times before that it was at 7:00 pm and 10 pm, a few weeks apart. I will hunt the same general areas throughout the year. There are only so many spots the coyotes will hang out that I have access to.
Edit: Kelly just read your reply. I tried fawn distress last night. He didn't like it I like to use fawn distress, it's a very underrated sound that not many people talk about.
I crowded him the first time, gave him room the second and went intermediate last night. There are plenty of coyotes in the area according to sign and listening to them whoop it up. If I can get rid of Mr. Nosy, I'll be in business for the rest, hopefully.
[ December 29, 2011, 07:39 PM: Message edited by: Chris S ]
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Rich
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posted December 29, 2011 07:52 PM
"You might try to slip in set down about 20 minutes be for you even do any thing and then just howl afew times and then just sit tight and see if it shows."
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That there are a good tip!!!!!
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posted December 29, 2011 08:41 PM
And if all of that doesn't work;
#3 double longsprings. A flat set and a couple of urine post sets at your calling location. Odds are that it'll come in sometime after you leave to nose around.
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JD
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posted December 29, 2011 10:27 PM
What I've done in the past is jerk the funnel off of my howler and imitate exactly what he says and exactly how he says it all the while positioning myself or my partner in a place to shoot him, typically they will bark like hell when you talk smack back at em and will slowly work downwind getting madder by the minute. The exception being once when one dirty bastard actually laid eyes on us, he barked like hell back at us but was making his way out of the county while he did it back over his shoulder.
Given the times you mentioned I'm guessing this is happening in the dark.....that creates a whole new problem but if your SURE he hasn't laid eyes on you it can still be done.
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Chris S
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posted December 30, 2011 05:40 AM
The first time in: standard stand. Howl a few times, wait, howl a few more, wait and them some rabbit squeals. He starts barking and howling. I imitate him a bit and he advanced some but then he barked and walked, barked and walked.
Second: I did the old Dan Thompson routine, howl and wait. Howl once or twice and waited 15- 20 minutes. I was well hidden on the edge of a slight hill so as soon as he started giving me the busuness, I slipped out.
Third: Started with fawn distress and then one quick howl and then some coyote distress. He starts threat howling and I imitate him for 25 minutes. I could tell I was pissing him off but he never advanced very far.
I walked out and on the way out I heard him threat bark howl again; two other coyotes answered his threats with short lone howls, so I circled back in and just listened. The fact that the two were answering his threat howls with short lone howls was crazy, never heard that before. 10 minutes goes by and they must have met up cause they started to group yip howl. I left.
These coyotes are VERY vocal unlike most of the others in the area.
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posted December 30, 2011 05:58 AM
This might be a stretch, but maybe there is a territorial boundary that this coyote won't cross?
Just sayin', cause I had one like that a few years ago on a night stand. Coyote came only so far, then actually made a scratching & took a dump inside brushy field edge. I found the sign later on in the fresh snow...
IN any event, sounds like a job for two guns and a completely different & new stand location, cuz that sucker has got your MO pegged...
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Chris S
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posted December 30, 2011 12:37 PM
Knockemdown, a territorial boundary! Hadn't thought of that... It's quite possible that it is. Great thought!
I haven't thrown any electronic sounds at him yet. Maybe I'll try that for strike 4! Move in super extra close and play some coaxing sounds and baby rabbit sounds. Nothing loud and brash.
Koko, if I can't get him the two gun way I'll try and trap all the coyotes in the area and get some new blood in there!
It is entirely possible that he snuck down and around and got my wind but with the lay of the land I am doubtful.
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Leonard
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posted December 30, 2011 01:27 PM
Had not thought of a territorial boundary? What you need, Running Bear? A raging river? Between you and Little White Dove?
Good hunting. LB
PS if you don't get it, you ain't old enough.
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JD
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posted December 30, 2011 02:02 PM
Very possibly a boundry, but he may have winded you one of those times, I would get in there during daylight hours in a different location with a GOOD view and your best long range rifle, use the e-caller and make that dirty bastard dead. Sounds like you have a good area to call if you could rid it of this coyote.
Why always at night?
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Chris S
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posted December 30, 2011 04:23 PM
JD, always at night because I work six days a week and I work 9:00 am to 6:30 pm. By the time I get out, its dark.
LB, I don't know if you've ever been to MI but there are roads, a lot of them. Usually the larger roads are the boundaries. So, unless I was sitting in the road, no, I wouldn't think it was a boundary. On one side of the road there is a group and on the other side is another.
Do they cross the road? Maybe... But I doubt they do it often.
When I kill this "dove" I'll be sure to let you know.
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Randy Roede
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posted December 30, 2011 08:53 PM
On the banks of the river stood Running Bear young Indian brave, on the other, side of the river stood his lovely Indian maid. Little White Dove was a her name etc. etc. I think that's how it went?
Chris bettin if you get around him or her you might get another chance.
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posted December 30, 2011 09:06 PM
I had a lengthy discussion with his Arizona cousin tonight. I rarely get pissed off enough at a coyote to go back after him, but this little bastard might be on my list. Caught a brief glimpse of him before he took to the brush and gave me hell for 20 minutes or so. Probably ended up giving him too much information, but I figured I could piss him off enough to break cover. I ran out of light or I'd probably still be trading insults with him. Little fucker! He had a unique howl so I'll recognize him when I go back to kick his ass.
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Leonard
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posted December 30, 2011 09:32 PM
Thank the professor. He doesn't kill 'em he just fucks (edit: with their little minds, I believe is what he says?)
Good hunting. LB
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Chris S
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posted December 30, 2011 11:01 PM
Jim, I think the first encounter I had with this SOB I may have given him a bit too much info as well. But, there's a trick or two left.
Randy, I'm calling from public land and the back side on which he emerges from is private land owned by a certain motor company. I could go around and see what's doin' but I would be technically trespassing. No one is ever back there that I know of but you never know.
I was calling my lost chihuahua?
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posted December 30, 2011 11:15 PM
Jim, that's good stuff, last time I called AZ I had that happen and when the little bastard cleared cover after 15 mins at 150 yds I promptly blew the shit out of a mesquite then a split second later my partner fired, when I spun to see what the hell he was shooting at I was surprised to see him turned back over his left shoulder watching a bobcat skidaddle off down the wash, apparantly the cat was entertained by my 15 min barrage of coyote smack talk and wandered up and sat down just quartered behind us at about 20yds..........we looked at each other and mumbled something to the effect of "what the fuck just happened"
I do love calling in AZ.
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posted December 31, 2011 01:19 AM
I had one. Called him once a year for three years straight. He lived on the top of a castle shaped hill (sort of...so he can see anything approaching for miles around) and all three times I called him in, he did something almost magical to beat me...including climbing straight up a 16 foot, very vertical rock cliff. Because he seemed to live on a castle shaped hill...and be part magic...I nick-named him Merlin. Haven't went after Merlin for 2 years now. Haven't had time to make the two mile hike into where he lives. Many other coyotes, fox, etc later...I imagine he's still there...waiting to die of old age. I learned a lot from that Old Dog!!! Should probably go back and shake his tree again...just to see if he's still there!!!
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posted December 31, 2011 08:43 AM
Chris we call that creative thinking and I like it!
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posted December 31, 2011 09:06 PM
Chris,
Sounds to me like he's staked a claim and is willing to defend all comers. Think about that.
I had a coyote a bunch of years ago that I not-so-affectionately named "Booger Brown" in honor of Ronnie Robison's nemesis, Booger Red. It took me three seasons to get him because he would always recon us from several hundred yards out and never approach. I was patient and one day, driving down the road alongside the section where he was screwing me regularly, he loped across the road in front of me. In his arrogant way, he just gave me a snarky look over his shoulder as I brought my pickup to a slow crawl, bailed and lined up on him. 125 yard shot through the back of his head. I'd have rather beat him coming to the call, but to the victor go the spoils and you win by whatever means when the landowner wants him dead.
This year, we've had a bunch of nemesises, or nemisi(?). A place we call the "shooting gallery" near a feedlot and dead pile has produced piles of coyotes for us, but this year, they seem to have our number every time we go there. Not uncommon to see as many as 8 coyotes busting out of this place when we pull to within 3/4 mile of the driveway. When the wind started gusting over 35 today, we decided to do a driveby at the Gallery and came in at a different angle. There is a concrete drain tunnel under the old railroad grade we use for elevation which the coyote always seem to bed by. Today, the wind was right to conceal our approach and rather than busting out well before we were in range, three coyotes took off to the north, on Kevin's side of the truck, when we got above them. Seeings as we have been charged with the job of reducing the coyotes in that area, we both bailed out, Kevin with his .223 and me with my trusty .22-250. The first coyote went out and to the left to about 11 o'clock. Kevin shot, missed, and I shot twice at it as it ran through milo stubble tall enough and dense enough to only offer us fleeting shots at our target. Number 2 was running straight out and while I was missing #1, Kevin lined up on #2 and shot, moments before I swung right at number 3 which had gone out about 150 yards and ran a crossing pattern for a hedgerow a quarter-mile east of us. My first shot on that coyote sent him cartwheeling ass over eyeballs and I said that I got mine, to which Kevin said that he got his too. Both hits were about a second apart. Number one was running for its life about 600 yards out by now. We trudged through the mud to our coyotes and found Kevin's to be about 160 yards out while mine was a decent 180, give or take. Kevin hit his through the neck just below the jawline. I hit mine just beneath the right ear, exiting on the opposite side at about the same spot. 2 of the 3, we were happy. And, having been duped by these bastards a dozen times or more, we were actually happy enough that we allowed ourselves the luxury of a fist bump (but don't tell anyone). Both are beautiful coyotes, as pictured here. Kevin's (L) is a typical western Kansas pale and about as light colored as I've ever shot, until now. Mine (R) is by far the lightest colored coyote I've ever shot in Kansas. Whacked more than a couple like him in NW Nebraska, but these are few and far between around here.
Of additional interest to me is that both of these are males, both appear to be 1.5 years old or so, and both have nads the size of two golfballs. Fun is just around the corner and it's high time to start adding more howls to the lexicon.
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