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Aznative
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posted December 24, 2011 08:03 AM
Well they already managed to muck up night hunting. http://www.wildlifecallers.com/blog/2011/12/az-lion-hunting-updates-night-hunting-and-shotguns-shooting-shot-approved/
The did open it up so that we can use shot on cougar. I use dead coyote which is T shot. We can use rifle at night while hunting cougar only. However we cannot even have so much as a long cord coming off the truck to power a light.
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Aznative
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posted December 24, 2011 08:08 AM
One more thing I would like to add: Would it even be possible to hunt cougar while connected to a truck. Cougar's are so far off the beaten path usually, I really don't believe it is possible to have multiple night stands unless you are built like the Rock. I know I couldn't carry a deep cycle battery back that far.
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Paul Melching
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posted December 24, 2011 09:17 AM
Mountain lions use the roads and edges of roads an awful lot.They are not so fer off the beaten path as you would think.
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CrossJ
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posted December 24, 2011 02:28 PM
So, save me the trouble of a bunch of reading please. Is night hunting now legal in Az?
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Paul Melching
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posted December 24, 2011 05:09 PM
Yes Geordie in limited areas for coyote and lion only. No lights attached to vehicles.The best part is now we can use shotgun shooting shot for lion in any legal area.Day or night....
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Aznative
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posted December 24, 2011 05:32 PM
Also, lion night hunting is legal year round in the hunt units that are open to night hunting of cougar. They have a season for night hunting coyotes and I believe it is April, May, and June. Coyotes are shotgun only and cougar are shotgun or rifle. No attachment to the truck is allowed. Not even an electrical cord. I figured they would muck it up
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posted December 24, 2011 06:13 PM
Why do you have to have a power source for the lite hooked to the truck???
There are alot of lites that are mobile...
Nite-lite has a few along with Cabela's....
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Leonard
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posted December 24, 2011 07:42 PM
Yeah, I already thought of that. They sell self contained spotlights with a rechargeable battery so you wouldn't need a cord attached to the vehicle. Therefore, the rule is stupid. There is no logical reason why you couldn't use a light with a cord off the vehicle electrical system.
These people that design regulations are such idiots.
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Kokopelli
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posted December 25, 2011 05:02 AM
So.............as I understand it;
I can go out tonight and attempt to call cougar as long as the light is not attached to my truck.
If a coyote comes in I can't shoot it until March, April or May when the fur is worthless.
If a bobcat comes in, I can't shoot it.
If a fox comes in, I can't shoot it.
If anything else comes in such as ringtail cat, coati, or chupacabra, I can't shoot it.
And........even though I'm on pretty good terms with the local wardens, I'm guessing that I could expect a pretty thorough questioning if I'm stopped in the field in the wee hours of night. That whole light-gun-poaching-guilty until proven innocent thing.
I think I'll just go out and water my rock garden, instead.
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Paul Melching
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posted December 25, 2011 06:47 AM
It was specifically implemnted to help with fawn recruitment in antelope units in the fawning season. The best thing to come from it is shotgun for lion , but its a foot in the door.
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jimanaz
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posted December 25, 2011 10:27 PM
Honestly, I think the lion at night thing is almost laughable. Where's Steve Craig when we need him?
Cold calling for a lion day or night is a tall order. From what I think I know of their behavior, they aren't going to respond to the call at night any better than they will in the daytime. I've always heard that if a lion hears it, it will respond. You may not wait long enough or see it, but they'll come take a look. Maybe at night they will be less cautious and maybe it will be easier to pick up eyes than a tawny ghost, but I've got my doubts that night hunting will be the end all for lions.
ETA: Koko, do you really put up and sell AZ coyote fur? Who buys it and for how much? It's pretty much worthless in January.
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Kokopelli
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posted December 26, 2011 06:08 AM
Yeah, my nature is such that if it hits the ground I skin it. I just can't see killing a coyote for no reason and letting it go to waste. The coyotes are mostly taken at 3000' to 4500' feet elv. with somewhat decent to pretty good fur. I usually ship to Groenewold Fur & Wool Co. 815-938-2381. I've had times when I wasn't thrilled with the prices but given the ups & downs of the fur market, I don't feel that they've ever cheated me.
Also to be considered; If I make a boo-boo handling a low dollar coyote it's not a huge deal. I can wash it, sew it, restretch it or whatever it takes. Keeping the skills sharp comes in handy when it's a high dollar bobcat that could bring $300 or $400 or more.
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jimanaz
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posted December 26, 2011 10:40 AM
Thanks for that. When I heard of guys having to keep fur from one year to the next because they couldn't get them bought, I figured most everybody lost interest or ran out of storage space. Tossing them in the brush didn't sit right for a while, but I got used to it.
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Leonard
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posted December 26, 2011 10:56 AM
Rumor has it that there is this really tall dude, down in McNeal that puts up fur, stores them at his dad's place.....and that's as far as it goes; never made his first dollar on fur. And, has a bunch of shiny new traps that have never been set. The same guy that forgot and left a rifle in a wheelbarrow from the end of one season until he was gearing up for the next.
Lions hunt a lot more at night, than daytime.
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jimanaz
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posted December 26, 2011 04:21 PM
Well duh!
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Leonard
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posted December 26, 2011 04:53 PM
Yeah, duh. I think we can draw a parallel between lions hunting after dark and calling coyotes during the warm part of the day. That doesn't make too much sense, but everybody knows that morning is better coyote hunting than the balance of the daylight hours.
Lions don't move much during the day, so for the same reasons that you would call close to where the coyotes are holed up during the day, or waiting out severe weather.
Therefore, if you expect to whistle up a lion, you had better be close to their bedroom, for any chance, at all, because you won't be calling them from a mile away, very often, if ever.
At night, yes, I can verify that you can call a lion from a long ways away. Although, same rule of thumb, it pays to be in deer areas because that's what they are interested in.
It's seldom that you will call a lion across the creosote flats, day or night, although that is exactly what I did, one time. Hell will probably freeze over before I do it again? That would make for an amusing story, one day.
I can't think of a different way of saying that lions are not seen very often and the reason is that they are secretive and when they are active, they are sneaking up on deer, at night.
People go a whole lifetime in lion country and never see one. So, your best chance is calling and using the right sounds. I have called a few lions, but never with anything but ordinary vanilla flavored prey distress; and in all except one, what I would consider as marginal lion habitat. And yes, they were, without exception, completely unexpected, blind ass luck.
Good hunting. LB
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Steve Craig
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posted December 28, 2011 09:47 AM
What Leonard said.......
If you get into good lion habitat, they will be ten times as easy to call at night. Just like bobcats.
Remember.....a cat, is a cat, is a cat.
Bobcats......10 to 1 during the dark hours over daytime calling. Lions will be no different.
BUT......you still have to do your homework in the daylight to know he/she is in the area.
My opinion is there will be alot of bobcats killed while hunting lions, unless you can totally identify it as a lion. Going to be hard to do.
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