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Posted by Possumal (Member # 823) on October 03, 2011, 08:18 PM:
About two and a half weeks ago, my grandson, Josh, got to go bowhunting for deer for the first time this season. He had decided before he got up in his stand late in the afternoon that he was going to take a doe or two out of the herd this year, both for the freezer and to thin them down some. At exactly 7:20 p.m. a nice doe passed by his stand about 15 yds out and he put an arrow right through her boiler room. She ran about 25 yds into the standing cornfield to the left of his stand and he heard her crash. He could hear her kicking the corn stalks for a few minutes, and then total quiet. Then he spotted a nice 10 point buck working its way through the clover field that leads by his stand. He concentrated hard on him, naturally, but he kept hearing a weird noise from where the doe had crashed. He was paying close attention to the buck, and by 30 minutes later, it had gotten so dark he was not going to get a shot at the buck, and he was afraid he'd spook him getting down from his stand. So he called the farmer and asked them to bring his truck back the farm road and run the buck off in a way he was used to, and the farmer accomodated him right away. Josh went over to retrieve the doe, and look what coyotes had done in less than 30 to 35 minutes. I guess if they had a little more time, the whole deer would have been gone. No doubt it was mama doing the ripping and tearing so the pups could eat their fill. Never ceases to amaze me what they can do, and how quick they can do it. They obviously didn't know Josh had shot the doe, but they smelled the blood and heard her death noises, and came to the feast.
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on October 04, 2011, 04:45 AM:
Interesting!!!!
Question; Is it normal that coyotes would go through the ribs rather than the soft belly to get at the organs???
And; What exactly did they target?? Heart, liver, lungs??
Thanx!!!
Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on October 04, 2011, 06:45 AM:
"And; What exactly did they target?? Heart, liver, lungs??"
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It looks like they went in at the wound area. Drawn to the blood if you will.
Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on October 04, 2011, 06:48 AM:
The photo in this thread is way too large. It causes the page to spread so wide that you have to use the scroll arrows to read the story.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on October 04, 2011, 08:30 AM:
Not for me, Rich? But, I know what you mean, it is usually caused by posting a high pixtel photo.
But, as far as what kokok is pointing out, from what I know, (very little) that is unusual eating pattern.
gh....lb
Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on October 04, 2011, 09:12 AM:
Leonard,
Yes, 640 X 480 is the max allowed on most boards I think? As for the feeding pattern on that deer, I have never seen coyotes peel the hide back like that. I think maybe Aliens did it. Yep, no doubt about it. It was aliens for certain.
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on October 04, 2011, 10:22 AM:
640x480 was common ten years ago when everyone had tiny monitors and nobody knew how to increase their resolution settings.
Almost all message boards allow at least 800x600 anymore and most of them allow 1024x768 or even larger, since almost nobody uses a screen that small.
I'm on my laptop right now and even it is 1920x1200. The picture Al posted takes up only about 1/4 of this screen.
Minor gripe of mine I guess... Boards that won't let a decent sized picture be posted. On modern, normal size monitors, small pictures are just that - small. They look better when they are big ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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- DAA
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on October 04, 2011, 10:23 AM:
Oh, and to get back on subject...
I've always said that any deer that don't end up as coyote turds are just going to waste .
- DAA
Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on October 04, 2011, 11:31 AM:
Interesting photo indeed.
Something similar happened up at the farm a bunch of years back. I thought it weird how the rib secton of fur was 'peeled'. Possibly because of that area being blood soaked from the arrow hit???
[ October 04, 2011, 11:31 AM: Message edited by: knockemdown ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on October 04, 2011, 12:34 PM:
Fred, please fill up the screen, next time. Thank you.
gh....lb (just kidding)
Posted by jimanaz (Member # 3689) on October 04, 2011, 01:55 PM:
I guess it's proof that coyotes will devastate a dead deer.
I had a coyote get after a deer I had to leave in the field over night once. Went in right below the vent and took probably 5 lbs. of nice lean meat from both hams. Looked almost surgical, bitten through, not ripped
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on October 04, 2011, 05:04 PM:
No chance it was a cat?
Posted by Possumal (Member # 823) on October 04, 2011, 05:06 PM:
I don't know for sure, but I'd bet that Rich is dead on accurate with his assessment. Josh hit the doe right where he was supposed to at 15 yds, and she jumped high, kicked back, indicating a heart shot. She only went about 25 yds into the standing corn and crashed. The coyotes have no clue what happened to her, but they do hear her thrashing and wheezing, and no doubt smell the blood. The crazy sound Josh kept hearing was no doubt big mama ripping and tearing and teaching the kids how to enjoy venison the coyote way. The pups of the year are not powerful enough at 6 or 7 months old to do what a fully developed coyote can do, but they sure love to eat and they do learn quick. If they don't learn quick, they'll be in a lot of trouble by the time they get dispersed from the family group. My read on this is that if they had a little more time to enjoy their meal, there wouldn't have been enough left to feed many humans or coyotes.
Posted by Randy Roede (Member # 1273) on October 04, 2011, 05:48 PM:
LB your a wise man to lean toward a cat with Jim's deer story.
Al's looks like a coyote althou it's a little fuzzy, looks like they chewed off the ribs chunks of hide missing.
fred's if that flap of fur covers most of the exposed area it could be catty. Coyote usually rip, chew, gulps and swallows. Hair meat whatever.
One of the better ways it was explained to me is that its like a pie eating contest, coyotes eat like a human with it's hands tied behind its back, cats eat like a human with a knife and fork. Usually??
Posted by Possumal (Member # 823) on October 04, 2011, 05:58 PM:
The picture was posted from Photobucket, using the link that is meant for forums. Never had any trouble posting pictures that way. The picture could have been lots better had Josh used a digital camera instead of that damned cellphone camera. It was so dark I had to use the photo editing software to get it lightened up to where you could see it. I think he is shooting that popular broadhead that cuts an exit hole where you can see blood spurting when the deer is running. Can't remember the name of it right now but all the archers who are anybody are using it nowadays.
Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on October 04, 2011, 06:48 PM:
Possom,
Photobucket photos usually come out 640 X 480 if you copy and paste the correct URL address. Your photo is 1,023px × 761px. So you chose the wrong button, but who cares anyway? Us old farts get a pass on little mistakes like that.
The damage on that deer sure does look like cougar work. Maybe he just didn't have time to cover his cache of food before being scared off by a hunter that came to pick up his deer?
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on October 04, 2011, 06:52 PM:
quote:
I had a coyote get after a deer I had to leave in the field over night once. Went in right below the vent and took probably 5 lbs. of nice lean meat from both hams. Looked almost surgical, bitten through, not ripped
I had the same thing happen years back when muzzle-loading for deer.. We don't have cats and there was snow on the ground at the time and a set of coyote tracks comeing from and going back to the deer yard...
Posted by Possumal (Member # 823) on October 04, 2011, 08:38 PM:
Rich, if you right click on the photo on Photobucket Pro, you find out it is like 104 x 140 pixels. The link I clicked is the same one I use on every single picture I post on any forum, the IMG link. Here it is again, clicked on the right link. See what it does on your monitor this time.
Posted by Possumal (Member # 823) on October 04, 2011, 08:42 PM:
Photobucket puts it on this forum as the higher pixel count, 1023 x 761. This could have something to do with Josh taking the picture on his cellphone and sending it to me without running it through any photo editing software. Here is another picture, using the IMG link again, which is what Photobucket Pro says to do for forums and bulletin boards. This one came off my digital camera and through photo editing softward, cropping and all that good stuff. See how it works on your monitor:
Posted by nd coyote killer (Member # 40) on October 04, 2011, 09:14 PM:
The fact of where on the body the feeding occurred looks more "catty" however with the wound being there the coyote would naturally go to where the blood is. The rib bones being chewed on and broken off would say coyotes but a coyote "killed" deer would show different feeding types none the less.
Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on October 05, 2011, 05:06 AM:
On a different occasion, my buddy bowshot a smallish 'meat doe' & left it at dark to come back to the house. Not long after, we heard the coyotes howling in that direction, so we got right after the deer with flashlights. On that particular one, they friggin' went to town on it like a Chinese buffet! By morning, it was literally almost gone...
On the photo I shared, you can see it had been raining, so the carcass is somewhat less bloody than Al's. Far as I know, there are no bobcats in that area of NY. And the deer was a darn bit too far away (>3/4 mile) from a building where any barn cats would stumble across it...
Kinda strange?
[ October 05, 2011, 05:06 AM: Message edited by: knockemdown ]
Posted by Lonny (Member # 19) on October 05, 2011, 06:36 AM:
Maybe I'm missing something here, but I sure don't see anything about Al's deer that makes me think cougar or any sort of cat.
For one, anytime I've found a smoking-fresh lion kill the lion started eating between the hind legs. If the kill is found a day or so later, it will be hard to tell where feeding began. For some reason around lion kills there is often piles of hair. Almost like the cat scratches some of it off while eating. The ground looks free of hair in the pic.
Another thing, For whatever reason, lions in my part of the world almost always move the carcass someplace shortly after kiling. It might only be 20-30 feet but at other times it might be a 100 yards to more hidden location.
The last thing that jumps out at me is wasn't this deer killed in Kentucky? Not exactly a known hotbed of lion activity.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on October 05, 2011, 07:47 AM:
Lonny, after Jimanez described his deer kill being eaten on, I suggested that it might have been a cat, based solely on his description. There was no photo to go by, just words and it has nothing to do with any other photo.
Sorry for the confusion. And, if Jim was there and he says coyote, none of us can argue with the claim because nobody else was there. The mental picture I had was cat, not coyote.
gh....lb
Posted by Lonny (Member # 19) on October 05, 2011, 07:56 AM:
I totally agree with your suggestion Leonard about what Jim had happen to him. I was responding to the other suggestions that it might have been a lion that did the damage in Al's pic.
Posted by Possumal (Member # 823) on October 05, 2011, 08:26 AM:
Lonny, typical organized confusion. We do it all the time here, kind of a member's code, don't ya know?
In this case, you can bet your granny's oldest bloomers it was a coyote, never was any doubt about that. They were howling all around the area prior to Josh's putting an arrow through the doe. The only mountain lion's we have around here are in the Louisville Zoo or one of the places that give refuge to hurt animals, or possibly one that has wandered into the area from five or six hundred miles away or more.
As for size of pictures, if you are trying to view a picture that is too big for your monitor screen or settings, just hold down the Control key on your keyboard, and roll the wheel on your mouse and reduce it to your liking. These digital cameras, even moderate price ones, take pictures of such high resolution that you can print them out on good quality photo paper limited only by the size of the paper on your printer, and frame the resulting picture. The higher the resolution, the better the quality of the picture. Like DAA mentioned, bigger is better if your monitor will handle the size.
Posted by jimanaz (Member # 3689) on October 05, 2011, 08:33 AM:
I suppose it could have been a bobcat that ate on my buck. It actually makes more sense in retrospect. I never even considered that until now, but I wondered at the time how a coyote could possibly deal with my stench all over the place long enough to eat that much. There were definately lions in that area, but it didn't look like any lion handiwork I've ever seen. Didn't move it at all and never tried to cover anything.
My group had lions mess with deer over the years in that same area and they had always drug things around, ate considerably more and at least made an effort to hide the carcass before leaving.
I believe I will tell that story differently from now on, lol.
[ October 05, 2011, 08:37 AM: Message edited by: jimanaz ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on October 05, 2011, 08:45 AM:
Yeah, I did consider the fact that there was no moving and hiding and covering the kill when I was only thinking of the eating pattern. And, how it definitely did not sound like coyote.
Not conclusive, by any means, but there could have been reasons, such as being scared off, interrupted, etc. etc.
gh....lb
Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on October 20, 2011, 11:30 AM:
I just now installed a high resolution monitor. Now the screen don't even spread with old Possom's huge photos.
Posted by Possumal (Member # 823) on October 20, 2011, 02:03 PM:
That's good news, Rich. Makes all the difference in the world when viewing high resolution photos or slideshows. Some of the PowerPoint Presentations are so good it is a shame to limit them.
Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on October 20, 2011, 02:13 PM:
I personally can't afford a computer with Power Point, but then I have no need for it. My college girl daughter has a new MAC with Power point. Can't get through college without it anymore. Hell they are going to eliminate cursive writing in our public schools now. Everybody depends on smart phones and computers. One day soon, we will see people signing their name with an X, just like the 1800's. Without their computer, they will be completely illiterate.
Posted by Possumal (Member # 823) on October 20, 2011, 06:37 PM:
Rich, PowerPoint viewer is a free download from Microsoft. Just go to Windows Update, and type in PowerPoint Viewer and download it. You can't make PowerPoint presentations with it, but you can view them, which is the most important, IMO.
If you can't find it to download, let me know, and I'll send you a link to it.
Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on October 20, 2011, 08:07 PM:
Possom
Thanks for the info. Leonard did us all a very big favor by making you the HONORARY CALLS FORUM MODERATOR. I just don't know what we would do without you sir.
Posted by Possumal (Member # 823) on October 21, 2011, 10:08 AM:
You are more than welcome, Rich, and so is anyone else who finds use of PowerPoint Viewer. I just received a .pps email today from an old classmate that is so good that it is nearly unbelievable. Hell, I'll bet the cameras used in some of the photos had lens that cost more than my first home.
It sure makes me glad that the world has people whose main interest is photography at the highest level, making the computer all the more worthwhile.
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