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Topic: how to entice a bedded coyote??
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6mm284
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posted January 30, 2011 05:06 AM
Have set up on on 7 coyotes bedded in low cover. Used soft distress calls to try and get them to pick there head up enough to shoot.. ranges from 173 to 400 yds. One came to edge of cover and layed done, shot that one. The rest did not even pick their head up.I was there totally undetected in all cases.These are Iowa coyotes. Sometimes I can see them as they show no interest..Used soft prey distress, pup distress, challenge, female social..Not all at once but combinations. Started with prey call and finished with the social calls. Got any ideas??
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DAA
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posted January 30, 2011 06:12 AM
Fire your rifle, maybe. I've done that to get them to stand up before.
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DanS
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posted January 30, 2011 08:24 AM
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One came to edge of cover and laid down, shot that one. The rest did not even pick their head up.
You are making me wonder how many I might have not seen on my stands now, even more so. It seems in my case they all start running after the first shot
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Leonard
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posted January 30, 2011 12:51 PM
TWO POSSIBILITIES. First, maybe he didn't hear you, wind wasn't right, etc.
Second, he didn't hear anything that interested him.
This happens most often with cats that hear you and are looking at you, but are just not interested. But, it's the same drill. You have to give them something that WILL interest them.
This is where I sometimes talk about nonvocal sounds. You can snap twigs, scuff your boots in the gravel, whop tree branches, even throw a rock.
These types of sounds are natural disturbance sounds that are hard to resist. Followed by prey distress, you generally get a response, renewed interest.
Good hunting. LB
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posted January 30, 2011 04:29 PM
Just times that it don't matter what you do, they ain't movin', I've seen it before on several occasions. I've also seen'em up when I started callin', only to go lay down and not move no matter what I did.
DAA nailed it, shoot at'em, that's the only sure fire way I know that'll get'em up and moving. Probably not your way, but moving none-the-less.
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6mm284
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posted January 31, 2011 03:29 AM
Shooting is something I had not considered.And probably won't use.. Most hunters (chasers) around here shoot blindly into cover to flush coyotes.
I had considered a non vocal sound, I wish there were some of those to be selected from an eletronic call.. Rapp music might work. Makes me want to get up and leave.. Thanks
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posted January 31, 2011 07:30 AM
Ive seen the chaser crowd in action, Ruger 10/22's blasting away at cover to flush out coyotes, then they either run it down or keep blasting at it till they get it. Had a crowd of those around here in the 90's.
Not guys I wanted to be around.
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Greenside
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posted January 31, 2011 07:43 AM
Have you tried talking to them? You know where they are at, why not just walk toward them slow and easy and after you closed the distance, talk to them in a normal voice. The point being is not to scare the hell out of them, but just get them to stand and look before they run. And even if they do there is always the possibility of stopping them for the shot?
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6mm284
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posted February 01, 2011 03:26 AM
Greenside, here , where coyotes are used to being blown off their nest by deer,pheasant,quail and coyote hunters, they almost without exception come off the nest at warp speed and do not stop to look back. Often they are on a terrace and go off the blind side and stay there until out of shooting distance.I have noticed coyotes bumped in western states will almost always run out 150 yds or so,stop and look back if one holds off shooting. Midwest is much different.thanks
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TA17Rem
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posted February 01, 2011 06:48 AM
6mm284; I see you are patterning youre coyotes which is good. You know what there habits are and should use this to youre advantage.. You can drop someone off on the backside to where they like to run if spooked and be ready to take the shot when they show themselves again.. We have some of the same coyotes here that do the same and they don't last very long once you know there habits... Also since you know where they like to bed for the day try comeing back at nite and call to them. You may have to park the truck back aways and just walk down the road untill you come to a fence line or some sort of cover that they will feel comfortable to come in along.. (waterways, end of a terrace, tree-line) Good luck..
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posted February 01, 2011 02:01 PM
and on and on and on blah blah blah..sheeeesh Tim, I dont think this is his first day on the planet, do you?
I`ve had this happen only a couple of times, always with a group, Greensides advice is similair to what I did, it produced at least one dead one out of the group.
Interesting stuff, could be several reasons for it I suppose but in the end you shot one so good on ya for that one. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Randy Roede
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posted February 01, 2011 03:38 PM
Tim you got your seminar all ready to go?
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TA17Rem
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posted February 01, 2011 04:15 PM
Yes and no Randy. We got abunch more snow here, about two feet of the fluffy stuff and the wind was suppose to pick-up later tommorrow so it was called off.. Been trying to get ahold of the "coyote doctors" to take my place. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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posted February 01, 2011 04:43 PM
you can bunk here for the night TA.
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posted February 02, 2011 02:50 PM
Get inside their bubble.
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6mm284
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posted February 04, 2011 03:19 AM
Tim, 99.9% of my hunting is on foot by myself,pickup stays on the road.I don't have anyone to help "surrond them" like many do with numerous pickups,flushers,blockers etc as some describe doing.Coming back late in the day and calling can work,but often I have noticed they will get up and move while I am gone,rodeo hunters or a farmer will show up and flush them or they will not move til after dark. Watched two fox thru out the day last week that were laid up before sun up and were still there after Sundown, totally unresponsive to any form of coaxing.Coyotes here are used to keeping their head down ,although very few have heard a call. I have yet to ever meet or see anyone in the process of calling locally.Regardless of the lack of call shying expereiences these coyotes have an extremely high level of wariness of all things that seems to include a natural shyness to calls.This time of year , most coyotes will not even tolerate a pickup stopping on the road as much as 3/4 to a mile away.I try to hide the pickup and watch with binoculars or spotting scope as they will continually look in my direction quite some time.This is too long, remember, He who speaks the most knows the least, I have proved that many times!!!
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TA17Rem
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posted February 04, 2011 01:13 PM
6mm284; I was'nt saying you need to get a crew together to get one of theses non-responsive coyotes, just saying there are other ways of doing it depending on how bad you want the coyote.. If you are just looking for a little one on one then have at it, just keep in mind the coyote will win most times when you play according to its terms...
I'm more interested in getting the hide on a stretcher and will use any methods at my disposal, calling, spot & stalk, or the help of others... As I'm finding out with my coyotes not all will come in to prey distress sounds, some may require a few coyote vocals and some alot of coyote vocals. Some require a little prey distress sounds and some like it non-stop. The coyotes age/sex and comfort level also dictates what sounds I may use, as well as how close I need to be to them as well..Some respond well about a hour before dark and some may require it to be dark before they will get up and come in for a look.. I've had older females show up on a stand dureing mid-day in some of the quiet areas.. Another thing to look at is the coyote hearing the sound you are putting out, on some days I've had coyotes that where in a deep sleep and also found the fox do the same at times especaly when they are paired up and mateing.
Here is a short vidio showing what I was talking about how a fox goes into a deep sleep, I was about 100 yds from the fox.
[IMG]http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f208 /TA17Rem/09-10%20Fox%20and%20coyotes/th_Deletepartiallyof1302010_161127.jpg[/IMG]
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Leonard
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posted February 04, 2011 01:32 PM
yeah, you picked him up, when you first panned away from the female. Poor guy, I know how he feels. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
Good hunting. LB
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posted February 04, 2011 05:12 PM
Tim, if that male was only 300ish yds away, why didnt you shoot it?
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posted February 04, 2011 05:47 PM
6mm284,
I'm sure that you are getting all "Knowed up" now that you have Mr. Coyote's instruction and all.
Mert is seeing the same thing that you are out there in the snow. I wonder how these coyotes would respond to a howl from a cow horn howler?
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posted February 04, 2011 06:08 PM
The one sound that will move a locked down coyote faster than greased ExLax around here is the sound of a truck engine. Couple weeks ago, we were working an area I knew for a fact held coyotes, but just couldn't get one to stand up. A buddy of mine came by in his truck, we whispered to one another for a few minutes, then he pulled away and left. Told me three days later that as he pulled away, two coyote busted out of the timber not far from where we'd been calling for some time, running away from him. Got me to thinking.... I wonder if I recorded the sound of my pickup pulling away on a gravel road, or even pulling toward the microphone, and loaded it into my caller, if that would stand one up making him think a dog wagon was nearby? The new "wonder sound"! LOL Definetly outside the box, but you just never know. LOL
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6mm284
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posted February 04, 2011 06:23 PM
Amen Rich, I will put that howler around my neck and try it out.
I do not agree with the statement of" playing on the coyotes terms, most of the time you will not win. ".I seldom force a coyote to do anything he does not choose to do. Makes him much more predictable as far as I am concerned.That way I do not need blockers,flushers,chasers,radios,nuclear weapons,tear gas, grenades,napalm,barb wire,a chain of command for the division or other methods at my dispoal. But then hey, call me simple minded!!!!
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posted February 04, 2011 06:42 PM
"playing on the coyotes terms, most of the time you will not win"
Good point, 6. Pretty much everything I do when calling is on the coyote's terms. They sure don't come better for me when they know it's my day off and I'd sure like to kill a couple of them. When I set out to determine what my strategy for the day will be, I ask myself "what's going on in the lives of these coyotes?" rather than me expecting them to know what trips my trigger. Calling coyotes is a lot like getting lucky with the wife or girlfriend. Think what you will, but what you get outta the deal is pretty much up to them.Tim just wants us all to think he's some kinda "coyote whisperer" who, by his very presence, can compel a coyote to do things it would not otherwise do. We should all be so lucky. I just continue to be utterly amazed that he peddles this cowflop on this site.
Wow!
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posted February 04, 2011 07:48 PM
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Tim, if that male was only 300ish yds away, why didnt you shoot it?
Actually more like 400-500 yds. To many snow drifts blocking my shot from the prone position..
I ended up getting him a few days later with a female in heat sound played on the e-caller.. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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TA17Rem
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posted February 04, 2011 08:16 PM
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.Tim just wants us all to think he's some kinda "coyote whisperer" who, by his very presence, can compel a coyote to do things it would not otherwise do.
Not really Lance.. I just know how to use the sounds that are available to my advantage to get the coyote to play on my terms.. Can't do it everytime but sooner or later I will get it to change its mind.. But you know all of that. Right?????(secrete)
Just like Higgins preaches, trip one of the 7 triggers and game is on..
I got into a group last nite which consisted of a female and some YOY coyotes.. At first I did'nt know if it was a female or just a older male from hearing it howls but it did'nt matter anyway as long as I new it was adult coyote.. I used 3 sounds on this stand and had them comeing in at the 30 minute mark.. As soon as I spotted them with the bino's I got the rifle set up and pointed in the right direction and continued to draw them in to where I could pick them up with the scope and then took the lead coyote when I felt comfortable with the shot... The YOY scattered back into the creek bottom and perhaps tonight I will go back and try for them..
The YOY that are here are a little fussy about what sounds I use but now I got mom out of the picture they may come a little easier with sounds that normaly don't work well with the adults... Can't wait to get back out to the Dakotas where life is so much easier..
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