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Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on September 04, 2010, 08:48 AM:
After spending about six and a half years on the internet now. One thing that stands out too me, is that certain areas of the west seem to hold more coyotes than others ? Some of that would be for obvious reasons of course, terrain food supply ect.
Yet it would appear the "heavy hitters" in the online predator hunting community, are from in no particular order,just for the sake of conversation.
Arizona,Texas,Nebraska,South Dakota,Wyoming.
I would think Montana, maybe North Dakota, would be great calling country, yet ya hardly hear anything about those states ?
I could also toss in Nevada and New Mexico ?
Or perhaps there are "heavy hitters" in those regions, we just don't hear about ?
Anyway these are just my observations..
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on September 04, 2010, 10:16 AM:
Just looking at your laundry list, I don't see how you can group South Dakota and Wyoming, as geographical area, with Arizona and Texas? Sum ting wong?
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on September 04, 2010, 11:37 AM:
"certain areas of the west seem to hold more coyotes than others ?"
Hold more coyotes total, or per square miles overall? I'd bet that KS could produce as many or more per square mile, and does if we had the huge expanses of rangeland common to those other states. When you can go to certain areas in SW KS and call upwards of thirty coyotes a day, you're in good country. Big ranches, lotsa federal ground, and long, continuous tracts of continuous habitat for coyotes and prey, along with a litany of other factors, play a huge part on how well a state or area produces coyotes.
"Yet it would appear the "heavy hitters" in the online predator hunting community, are from in no particular order,just for the sake of conversation.
Arizona,Texas,Nebraska,South Dakota,Wyoming."
Three of those five have gubmint hunters for sure, so the heavy hitters are easy to account for when they're out there running and gunning all year long.
Apples and oranges when looking at generalities.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on September 04, 2010, 11:59 AM:
I have seen fifty coyotes a night, in Nevada, and I wouldn't think the state holds more coyotes than Texas. But, wow! Just think about it. Texas, virtually no public land versus Nevada, perhaps the largest percentage of public land on the planet. Interesting.
Of course, I can have a fairly intelligent conversation about this subject because I have hunted a good deal of the locations being discussed, except Montana. Never made it up there.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by 6mm284 (Member # 1129) on September 04, 2010, 01:20 PM:
You would have to include California from my experiences there, but also nearly all private land unfortunately..??????///
[ September 04, 2010, 01:21 PM: Message edited by: 6mm284 ]
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on September 04, 2010, 01:57 PM:
Leonard,
What I find interesting is the Numbers that Nevada holds compared to Utah. Alot of the terrain and areas looks identical and Utah has a shit load of BLM land too,but there is no comparision when it comes to the numbers,atleast from what I've seen. And I've hunted both States ALOT..I know population(people that is) plays a big part but it is interesting none the less.
Good Hunting Chad
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on September 04, 2010, 01:59 PM:
LB, what I'm talking about is when you see guys posting up on the "net" it would seem that the guys in the know, are from the states I listed.
Not to say that there aren't good coyote hunters, or good coyote populations elsewhere.
I could have been more clear, I'm just bs'n today ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
(Edit) Oregon 59 New Mexico 0 at the half, holy smoke !
[ September 04, 2010, 02:21 PM: Message edited by: Dave Allen ]
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on September 04, 2010, 02:30 PM:
Maybe that and a lot of other unstated factors are why the guys in "the know" are in "the know". The uneducated look at strictly the numbers being put up without taking into consideration all the other variables, such as the general numbers of coyotes in a given area, how much of that area is accessible to calling (private and locked versus BLM versus large ranches that go on forever and give a guy a season's worth of hunting with one phone call), whether the guy you're looking at is hunting his one day off a week as opposed to the guy that has seven a week all winter to plink or can hunt both night and day.
You take a guy that puts up 100 coyotes and hunts four days a week in a place like NE or AZ and compare him straight across with a guy that puts up 20 in PA on his one day off a week and you're comparing apples to oranges. We're all fond of saying that this is is a numbers game, and that applies not just to how many coyotes you have, but also to how often you can get into the field, how effective you are at putting in stands that count, your percentage of kills to called, and a host of other things. I'd rather rate a guy based upon comparing him with those that hunt similarly in his area to get an accurate picture of how he or she does. As for myself, the only numbers that matter to me are how I'm doing this year compared to last,the one prior to that, and so on. Calling coyotes to me is not unlike being on a football team. I may not win the title this year, but I do expect to get better today than I was yesterday or I'm not doing something right.
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on September 04, 2010, 03:04 PM:
You have to include California. LOTS of coyotes here. Private land is king for sure,for any type of hunting here, but the reason coyote hunting has got so popular in the last 10-15 years, imo, is they are anywhere and everywhere, and more readily accessible than any other animal just about.You gotta work at it just like anything else, but they are more do-able( and funner) than a lot of game here.
There is a lot of "game-starved" hunters in this state, no private land to hunt, low deer populations, no money to go out of state, etc, and they have discovered they can get thier fix with coyotes.
As far as heavy hitters in this state, it seems like the hey day of coyote calling is over here?
No one really stands out in my mind, that is on the net anyways.
Mark
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on September 04, 2010, 03:14 PM:
Good post Lance.
(Edit) I omitted my comments regarding certain states, per Leonards request.
I find Chad's post interesting, where I live in southern Id, the terrain is quite similar to northern Nevada, yet I don't believe we have the coyote population that NV has ?
Not saying NV is a coyote hunters paradise mind you, I do know my buddy who lives there kills me in regards to called and killed coyotes, I admit he is a better hunter, yet I still don't see the number of called coyotes he does.
Nor' the road kill ?
Maybe I'm putting to much "emphasis" on what I'm reading on the "net" Again my thread was mainly directed out of curiousity and for the sake of conversation.
I have only hunted coyotes in s/w Idaho and eastern Oregon, thus I can only wonder and ask about other areas.
(Edit) Mark good points, I did forget about California, it would appear weather wise to be a good environment for coyotes. Sorry LB and other CA guys ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
[ September 04, 2010, 04:58 PM: Message edited by: Dave Allen ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on September 04, 2010, 03:27 PM:
Can we omit the Washington State and Pennsylvania references? The title of this thread is high population coyote areas. Nobody gives a shit about who kills twenty coyotes in Pennsylvania.
I still say, South Dakota does not have numbers. Wyoming doesn't either. California has a lot and so does Nevada. The difference, to me at least is the stupid regulations impossed in parts of CA versus practically no regulations in NV. And, that's why I prefer NV. Utah sucks and I know why.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on September 04, 2010, 03:33 PM:
Dave I don't think you give Idaho enough credit at least the SW part.I know that the I.O.N region holds a hell of alot of coyotes.Some years are definitely better than others but alot none the less.FWIW
And as far as the "heavy hitters" part goes,I don't hold alot of stock in alot of what is said or assumed on the net,most of the really good callers I know either don't have a computer or never post there successes on the internet,they just keep a low profile and just rack em up.lol
Good Hunting Chad
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on September 04, 2010, 03:40 PM:
Oh, I think I know too Leonard.
And you are right about Nevada holding alot of Coyotes.
I really think Utah has a good population of coyotes just not AS productive calling them.
DAA sure has them figured out though.
Good Hunting Chad
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on September 04, 2010, 04:20 PM:
"Can we omit the Washington State and Pennsylvania references?"
If you say so, boss.
"The title of this thread is high population coyote areas. Nobody gives a shit about who kills twenty coyotes in Pennsylvania."
You're right, unless you live in Washington or Pennsylvania. Then again, like I've often said, anyone can kill chickens in a chicken coop.
"...and eastern Oregon..."
I know a guy - and he's one of those who stays under that radar racking up number as has been brought up - who, along with his partner in ADC work, put down an obscene number of coyotes in a remote area of OR in a single year using all methods available to them. So, I suspect there are areas in OR with good numbers. Or, at least, there used to be. And no, I'm not going to post his name here because I don't have permission to do so. I grew up with the guy and we played little league ball together. My dad, our coach, was like his dad for many years after his died, and up to about a year ago, the last time I saw him was in the mid-80's when he was sitting on Bill Austin's tailgate talking to Bill at an event here in Kansas. Blair was here, and I believe that Cronk was, too. I can't say that I knew Bill Austin, but I did shake the man's hand once. That night was the beginning of my friend's career in ADC work. Good times.
Posted by Randy Roede (Member # 1273) on September 04, 2010, 04:36 PM:
LB, wouldn't put either of the Dakotas on that list.
High numbers in certain areas but overall nothing like the south, southwest.
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on September 04, 2010, 04:37 PM:
"So, I suspect there are areas in OR with good numbers".
Oh, I know there are....
Good Hunting Chad
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on September 04, 2010, 05:11 PM:
Chad the I.O.N does hold, what I would guess ? to be a fairly significant amount of coyotes.
Again as I know no other places, I'm guessing.
I'm impressed you know what the I.O.N is..
My areas have been down the last few years in my estimation, perhaps I'm frustrated and experiancing some "coyote envy" lol..
Leonard, I edited my post, guess I thought going off topic and Hi-Jacking threads, even ones own, was encouraged here ?
Guess not..I'll do my best in the future to stay on topic, or hopefully not say anything you don't agree with ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on September 04, 2010, 05:35 PM:
I think it's a huge mistake to look at Washington as a single ubiquitous environment (as if there's only the more difficult to hunt and less than "productive" west/wet side).
The eastern side is part of the same great basin desert ecosystem that much of "the west" is.
Pennsylvania doesn't have that.
Jerry Malbeck is certainly one of those "in the know" with a more than impressive track record, and Curt Barrett is no slouch himself.
Beyond that, Del Kramer was arguably one of the best coyote trappers ever to have put steel to the ground (though, he didn't have any use for the internet).
Hell TA is a self appointed "internet expert" ...so it just goes to show being in the know on the internet doesn't mean shit! ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
Krusty 
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on September 04, 2010, 07:50 PM:
COME ON DAVE! HAVE AT IT. Whatever you want to say, say it! You are the last person I thought would be the sensitive type? I'm not a censor, but in this case, the subject of high coyote populations and (insert unlikely state)Pennsylvania just doesn't work, for me. I just don't care who kills what, back there.
It's just that, when we consider a STATE, you/we tend to think of the whole state, not the eastern half. I'd be the first to admit that southeastern Oregon has a lot of coyotes. A lot! So does extreme southern Idaho, and that goes hand in hand with northern Nevada, just an extention of the area. Look at a map. Northern Nevada and southern Idaho and southeastern Oregon is pretty much the same shit. I guess Chad knows what I mean about Utah. It sucks. Unfortunate.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on September 04, 2010, 08:17 PM:
Leonard, you are correct I'm very far from being the "sensitive" type. I only painted some examples in my post, I only mentioned Washington state for the purpose of conversation, I said nothing about Pennsylvania ?
If you wanna' tangle I'm game ? You Sir are the one that always says off topic is cool, along with thread de-railments, no ?
Yet when someone mentiones hunting in PA, you jump on board and say it doesn't work for you ?
Sounds like you are one sided, and two faced.
What would you like from me ? too kiss you're ass ? Ain't gonna' happen..
Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on September 04, 2010, 08:47 PM:
Leonard,
I'd hazard to guess that western Washington holds nearly as many coyotes as the other side, mile for mile, they (like much of California, Texas, and other states) just aren't accessable and as killable as their eastern Washington counterparts.
And... since this thread was about "heavy hitters, in the know" as much as or more so than about statewide population levels, I feel that Washington has a place in that discussion.
Krusty
P.S. I doubt any state has a statistically equal distribution, even those with the highest concentrations of heavy hitters.
[ September 04, 2010, 09:11 PM: Message edited by: Krustyklimber ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on September 04, 2010, 11:09 PM:
Look Dave. You are making something out of nothing and my reply wasn't directed solely at you; nor did it have your name on it. Somebody else mentioned PA; I think Lance? As far as kissing my ass.... you can kiss my ass, Amigo. Had a little too much to drink, or what?
Now, do what ever the fuk you want and quit whining, dammit.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on September 05, 2010, 04:30 AM:
Leonard,
Why all the ire towards Pennsylvania hunters? These guys freeze their asses off in winter, get stalked by bear in the fall, and do so for little return in regards to actual number of coyote kills.
Maybe Sheri will correct me, but 20 coyotes called and killed in a year in PA is a very generous estimate for one hunter. I don't know of anyone who has done it. I mentioned this before, it hasn't been done in NJ....not even close.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on September 05, 2010, 04:58 AM:
49, I have nothing against PA or NJ, for that matter. I don't mind getting off topic, either. But when the topic is "high population coyote areas" and the poster has a list of western states to ponder, that's plenty to consider without cluttering up the conversation with those heros back east in the woods that killed 20 animals. That's not hijacking a thread, it is completely irrelevant. But, if that's what you want to talk about, have at it. ElBee
edit: quote:
You take a guy that puts up 100 coyotes and hunts four days a week in a place like NE or AZ and compare him straight across with a guy that puts up 20 in PA on his one day off a week and you're comparing apples to oranges (Cdog)
quote:
Sounds like you are one sided, and two faced.
You are getting on my nerves. Can't you follow a simple train of thought? Remember the cardinal rule here; don't piss me off.
[ September 05, 2010, 05:09 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by 6mm284 (Member # 1129) on September 05, 2010, 07:00 AM:
Not including Montana or North Dakota may have more to do with lack of hunter/poster population than coyote population. Those states are pretty remote to large hunter populations.The coyote populations bounce up and down so much over time that
I would think when you are looking numbers it would depend alot on the time frame.Areas we hunted in Nevada and were overun in 2005 have since been very dismal in numbers,sign,prey base,The same large geograhic area could be descibed as both abundant and scarce of coyotes all with a period of 3 years. Realizing cycles exist.
[ September 05, 2010, 07:09 AM: Message edited by: 6mm284 ]
Posted by Wily E (Member # 3649) on September 05, 2010, 09:05 AM:
The topic of coyote population comparisons in various states is a topic that I am quite familiar with.
To add a degree of credibility to my opinions on this topic, I have trapped and called in many different states in the west, I also have WS and recreational calling friends and trapping friends in many different states, and i have an extensive library on coyote population studies that have been done in a number of states including the old "Indices on Predator Abundance in the Western United States" book.
Now I don't know what constitutes a "Heavy Hitter" since I have seen a lot of well recognized names in both the trapping and calling fraternities that I don't view as being credible coyote trapping or calling authorities simply based on some of the ridiculous conclusions they come up with. Interestingly, as a whole you have a tendancy to have more "self proclaimed" experts in areas of higher coyote numbers. Just as interestingly, some of the best ADC coyote men I know are working in areas of low coyote numbers because they keep those areas that way.
Coyote populations will vary depending on habitat and prey availability. Those two factors seem to play the biggest role in how many coyotes a certain area will contain. Change the habitat and the prey availability and coyote populations will adjust accordingly due to their territorial and social behavior. As food becomes less available, coyote home ranges become larger and defense mechanisms stronger. Get too many coyotes in one area and mange, distemper, and parvo will knock them for a loop.
On a Nationwide basis, I don't believe hunting, trapping, or calling pressure has much influence on coyote populations. Why? Because coyote populations expanded into the Eastern US at a time when coyote fur value and coyote persecution was at an all time high. That is an undisputed fact. Recreational coyote harvest and ADC efforts have never controlled coyote populations on a broad scale nor should that have ever been the intent. The exception is seasonal, localized coyote population control efforts in certain livestock protection areas. Show me a dead coyote and I will show you 3 - 4 missed opportunities for the average coyote hunter.
Historically, SW Texas has always been and continues to be the king for impressive coyote populations. That's why you have so many coyote calling rock stars there as well as the size of the state would contribute to more callers overall. There is and HAS BEEN (mange factor) some impressive coyote populations in southern Kansas, eastern Colorado, the Sandhills of Nebraska, the high desert in Oregon and much of Arizona. Some of these places also have an incredible amount of hunting pressure which leads to reduced success independent of coyote population levels.
I'm not as familiar with NV, NM, ID, or California and can't recall a lot of research in those states so won't include them for those reasons.
I think Montana, The Dakotas, Wyoming, and Utah have similar coyote populations which range from some high populations in certain parts to some very low populations in other parts but OVERALL I believe these northern states have lower coyote populations IN MOST AREAS than those southern states mentioned previously due to habitat and prey.
Yes, there are always exceptions to the rules in most states but we are painting with a broad brush whenever talking about coyote populations.
There is also some very impressive coyote numbers in certain states east of the Missouri River. I believe, as a whole, eastern SD right now has more coyotes than western SD. I had a friend who trapped in Indiana and caught 29 coyotes in one day on a 24 hour trap check which is almost double his best day from a western state on an extended trap check.
You can look at the coyote numbers being killed in many of the contest hunts in these states and it will confirm these populations.
Your southern states simply have a higher prey base and better habitat and that's what it's all about until mange, parvo, and canine distemper knock them down. Coyote immigration and spacial distribution as well as human disturbance keeps a shotgun pattern of coyotes moving throughout the winter months to quickly fill the voids. The best habitat usually gets occupied first.
I get such a kick out of coyote numbers that get thrown around like old shoes because those numbers are USUALLY so meaningless to seasoned ADC men without also having a discussion on the variables that contributed to those numbers. Most comparisons on coyote numbers end up being apples to oranges comparisons. Impressive coyote numbers can often mean different things to different people depending on their level of experience. I know some fools in the ADC fraternity that brag about the numbers of coyotes killed in and around sheep areas after the seasonal coyote immigration slows down. In contrast, the veteran ADC man is wondering what that guy has been doing to allow his coyote populations to build to that level in and around range sheep operations AT THAT TIME OF YEAR. Some guys never learn.
I remember an old retired ADC man once say to me, in response to someone bragging about all the coyotes he was taking, "If I had someone working for me that was killing that many coyotes around his sheep operations at this time of year, I would fire his ass because he's obviously not doing his job". I concurred!
Coyotes taken per hour during aerial hunting operations also tell a story about coyote numbers to the seasoned ADC man.
The only number that matters in the livestock protection game is the number of dead livestock relative to the workloads, district sizes, and resources available. Some guys have more than they can handle effectively while others have a lot of killing because they don't know what they're doing. Some guys brag about low sheep losses when they are working coyotes in and around farm flocks that have never had killing and never will simply based on the management practices of those ranches. Again, in those situations, coyote numbers become meaningless.
I want to add that although I often refer to ADC men in my discussions and year-round predator calling, I have a great deal of respect for a number of recreational coyote callers. I don't believe all ADC men are prima-dona coyote callers simply because they do it year round. Some ADC men are nothing more than recreational coyote callers being paid by the government as they kill coyotes in high coyote population areas at a time of year when they don't pose any threat to livestock. As far as I'm concerned, these guys give legitimate ADC work a bad name. Legitimate ADC work is about being at the right place at the right time and taking the coyotes that need to be removed as opposed to killing coyotes on cattlemen in the middle of the summer when the calves are already 400 lbs. A good ADC program will have experienced supervision that can recognize the difference and they will utilize their men's time more wisely. I also believe that concerns of recreational coyote hunters regarding legitimate ADC work are just as important as the concerns of the livestock industry. Therefore, you won't find me aerial hunting during coyote calling competitions before February unless I absolutely have no option. I didn't forget my roots.
I think I'm finally done editing this post.
~SH~
[ September 05, 2010, 03:40 PM: Message edited by: Wily E ]
Posted by 6mm284 (Member # 1129) on September 05, 2010, 09:28 AM:
Good read, one idea we try to keep in perspective is the fact a female coyote only has to have two pups survive in her lifetime to maintain a stable population..given all females mate and produce litters.
[ September 05, 2010, 11:19 AM: Message edited by: 6mm284 ]
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on September 05, 2010, 12:30 PM:
Leonard, lets put this too rest.
No I didn't have to much too drink ? Thats insulting that you would even say that, yeah I kid around alot about Miller-Lites, and yes I do enjoy a few now and then.
(Edit) I sure don't owe anybody, including Leonard an explanation, excuse the hell out of me for being honest.
I'm sure that I'm getting on you're nerves, as you are on mine.
Yes I can follow a simple train of thought, I'm not dumb.
We had some disagreements on this thread, so what ? Remember my intention of the thread, was only for some fun, and for the sake of conversation. Thats all ? Perhaps I came off in a different way.
I have found some very interesting "tidbits" of information along the way, which I appreciate.
I'm certainly willing to let go if you are ?
[ September 05, 2010, 03:56 PM: Message edited by: Dave Allen ]
Posted by Dan Carey (Member # 987) on September 05, 2010, 01:04 PM:
I'd rather be puked on by a drunk whore in mexico than let you off the hook for posting misspelled words when talking about the mighty coyote.
Furthermore, I would rather drink snake piss than hunt in some of the states you mentioned. Happy holidays.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on September 05, 2010, 02:03 PM:
Dave, I'm always willing to make peace. The thing I would warn you about is to not insult the owner, which I believe you have done. This job pays very little and I am not inclined to accept what I consider abuse and disrespect, bearing in mind that my opinion is the only one that counts, in these situations. So, the end.
Good hunting. LB
edit: Oh shit! Who misspelled?
[ September 05, 2010, 02:05 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on September 05, 2010, 02:54 PM:
"Who misspelled?"
I think maybe it was you sir, and Dan is about to shut this thread down. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on September 05, 2010, 04:15 PM:
Leonard, Indeed you are the owner and I respect that, "however' for you too say that you're opinion is the only one that counts, is arrogant ![[Mad]](mad.gif)
I'm also not inclined to accept abuse and disrespect from my end either.
Take that however ya wan't..
Posted by Wily E (Member # 3649) on September 05, 2010, 05:09 PM:
Dave,
It appears you took Leonard's statement out of context.
Leonard did not say his opinion is the only one that matters from the standpoint of the topics we discuss here. What he clearly said and meant is that when it comes to what level of disrespect he is willing to tolerate his opinion is the only one that matters because this is his house.
I respect the fact that he has a high level of tolerance when, as he said, his job doesn't pay well and he has to put up with a lot of sh*t over the years.
I don't get here very often for a variety of reasons but Leonard and I go waaaay back as co-moderators at Predator Masters. We both put up with a lot of sh*t back then and I am amazed that he continues to put up with a lot of sh*t still.
Now I'm not saying this to patronize the guy or to be condescending towards you. Not sure a lot of you know how far Leonard's experience goes back in years and not sure how many of you know how much he knows about night calling. His posts are still some of the most insightful and intellectual posts I read just as they were when I asked him to co-moderate with me at Predator Masters when it first started.
I've been at this game a long time and I have a lot of respect for Leonard. That's why I am here instead of the many other calling forums. You'd be well advised to do the same because he's certainly earned it.
You can't win a letter to the editor debate with the editor because they buy their ink in bulk tankers. LOL! Just the same, you won't win an argument with the moderator of a forum if you're not respectful.
~SH~
[ September 05, 2010, 05:15 PM: Message edited by: Wily E ]
Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on September 05, 2010, 07:52 PM:
Who misspelled? I'm not pointing fingers, but there has been one wrong "your" (misspelled - you're), "to" two times (misspelled too), and a "their" (misspelled - there).
The word "funner" may or may not be correct, depending upon how serious one is about the grammatical correctness of the evolution of the English language (*ie fun isn't really a formal adjective, so the comparitive adjective funner is also, formally, incorrect).
"Alot" also has no formal place in grammer, but is (like funner) casually acceptable.
Likewise "ya" is only casually considered proper.
"Nor" doesn't need an apostrophe... Experience has no "a" in it... Derailment needs no dash... And, heyday is a single word.
Jeebus Keerist Dan, you must be sick as a dawg reading this kinna sheeit!
It's Huntmasters, not language masters, ya dink! ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
Dave,
Enjoy your time out, if you end up on one, or decide to use the off switch on your computer!
Hopefully, and thankfully, for the rest of us, Leonard hasn't decided to use the big off switch on the whole damn place yet, and isn't planning to do so in the near future. ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
Krusty
Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on September 05, 2010, 08:33 PM:
quote:
Leonard did not say his opinion is the only one that matters from the standpoint of the topics we discuss here. What he clearly said and meant is that when it comes to what level of disrespect he is willing to tolerate his opinion is the only one that matters because this is his house.
After having read this post, I went back and reread Leonard's, and I realized Wily is correct.
Though I do think Leonard likes it best when things go his way.
And I would like to hear more from Leonard on the subject of night hunting...
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on September 05, 2010, 08:39 PM:
Dave, this is what is out of line:
quote:
Sounds like you are one sided, and two faced.
Regardless of what has transpired, that statement is insulting and uncalled for. And, it does not and never has, described me. And, insofar as what has transpired, you might review the conversation and try to figure out that I was not disrespecting you with my comments.
By the way, Scott is my friend, and I appreciate him backing me up. I don't do a lot of tooting my own horn, but I know my way around a predator discussion, and I don't really need any help. You are in way over your head, Amigo.
Now, here's the deal. Not another peep out of you on this subject and we will be fine.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Kelly Jackson (Member # 977) on September 06, 2010, 09:16 PM:
98.2% of all coyotes live in Mizzo. That is why Shaw lives there.
[ September 07, 2010, 10:31 AM: Message edited by: Kelly Jackson ]
Posted by ursus21 (Member # 3556) on September 07, 2010, 10:04 AM:
I think the real sleeper is Mexico. Probably have a higher population of coyotes than any of the afore mentioned places. With that said I think y'all should head south and focus your efforts below the border.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on September 07, 2010, 10:58 AM:
Not sound advice, ursus.
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on September 07, 2010, 12:32 PM:
This site is a lot more funner then them otheruns', I no dat for fact.
Posted by Dan Carey (Member # 987) on September 07, 2010, 01:09 PM:
"98.2% of all coyotes live in Mizzo. That is why Shaw lives there."
Just what the hell are you trying to say?
Shaw can't shoot for shit?
Shaw can't call coyotes for shit?
The coyotes are reproducing faster than Shaw can kill them? If that is the case then Shaw needs an AR, we could call him AR Shaw.
[ September 07, 2010, 01:14 PM: Message edited by: Dan Carey ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on September 07, 2010, 02:33 PM:
DAN. We ALREADY do!
Posted by Dan Carey (Member # 987) on September 07, 2010, 03:24 PM:
Yeah, I know, just hadn't heard it for a while.
Posted by Bofire (Member # 221) on September 07, 2010, 06:48 PM:
they always stop!
Carl
Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on September 07, 2010, 08:45 PM:
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98.2% of all coyotes live in Mizzo
Yep, I have heard Mizzou is the coyote Mecca west of the Mighty Mississippi.
edited 'cause I hear the spelling police can be mean.
[ September 07, 2010, 08:47 PM: Message edited by: DanS ]
Posted by ursus21 (Member # 3556) on September 08, 2010, 09:40 AM:
"Not sound advice, ursus."
Guess that all depends on what "kind" of coyote you are looking for.
Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on September 08, 2010, 10:51 AM:
I was outside Tombstone, getting directions to a Tire store in Sierra Vista. The Guy giving me directions asked what we were doing, being in Camo and rifles in the truck. I told him we were hunting Coyotes, he gave us a dirty look until I clarified " the little 4 legged pero's" Then he go nicer and says "OH, OK, They are all over around here".
Found that kind of amusing at the time.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on September 08, 2010, 11:11 AM:
As far as I'm concerned, there is no place in Mexico that is safe, the resorts in Cabo and Cancun, and especially hunting anything south of the border. I have done it in the past, but it is far too dangerous, now. Besides all the rediculous regulations, it is just plain stupid to consider hunting in Mexico, if you value your life. Therefore, I say to ursus; bad advice.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by ursus21 (Member # 3556) on September 08, 2010, 11:48 AM:
Leonard you do see the little smiley faces at the end of my posts right? You aren't really even remotely taking what I posted serious are you?
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on September 08, 2010, 12:53 PM:
Uh, yeah, I kinda was? Okay, it's satire then? Please continue and ignore my clueless comments.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by ursus21 (Member # 3556) on September 08, 2010, 01:16 PM:
No worries. I lived in Sierra Vista AZ for 7 years. I have a pretty good handle on what things are like south of the border.
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