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Dave Allen
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posted September 04, 2010 08:48 AM
After spending about six and a half years on the internet now. One thing that stands out too me, is that certain areas of the west seem to hold more coyotes than others ? Some of that would be for obvious reasons of course, terrain food supply ect.
Yet it would appear the "heavy hitters" in the online predator hunting community, are from in no particular order,just for the sake of conversation.
Arizona,Texas,Nebraska,South Dakota,Wyoming.
I would think Montana, maybe North Dakota, would be great calling country, yet ya hardly hear anything about those states ?
I could also toss in Nevada and New Mexico ?
Or perhaps there are "heavy hitters" in those regions, we just don't hear about ?
Anyway these are just my observations..
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Leonard
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posted September 04, 2010 10:16 AM
Just looking at your laundry list, I don't see how you can group South Dakota and Wyoming, as geographical area, with Arizona and Texas? Sum ting wong?
Good hunting. LB
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Cdog911
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posted September 04, 2010 11:37 AM
"certain areas of the west seem to hold more coyotes than others ?"
Hold more coyotes total, or per square miles overall? I'd bet that KS could produce as many or more per square mile, and does if we had the huge expanses of rangeland common to those other states. When you can go to certain areas in SW KS and call upwards of thirty coyotes a day, you're in good country. Big ranches, lotsa federal ground, and long, continuous tracts of continuous habitat for coyotes and prey, along with a litany of other factors, play a huge part on how well a state or area produces coyotes.
"Yet it would appear the "heavy hitters" in the online predator hunting community, are from in no particular order,just for the sake of conversation.
Arizona,Texas,Nebraska,South Dakota,Wyoming."
Three of those five have gubmint hunters for sure, so the heavy hitters are easy to account for when they're out there running and gunning all year long.
Apples and oranges when looking at generalities.
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posted September 04, 2010 11:59 AM
I have seen fifty coyotes a night, in Nevada, and I wouldn't think the state holds more coyotes than Texas. But, wow! Just think about it. Texas, virtually no public land versus Nevada, perhaps the largest percentage of public land on the planet. Interesting.
Of course, I can have a fairly intelligent conversation about this subject because I have hunted a good deal of the locations being discussed, except Montana. Never made it up there.
Good hunting. LB
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posted September 04, 2010 01:20 PM
You would have to include California from my experiences there, but also nearly all private land unfortunately..??????///
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posted September 04, 2010 01:57 PM
Leonard,
What I find interesting is the Numbers that Nevada holds compared to Utah. Alot of the terrain and areas looks identical and Utah has a shit load of BLM land too,but there is no comparision when it comes to the numbers,atleast from what I've seen. And I've hunted both States ALOT..I know population(people that is) plays a big part but it is interesting none the less.
Good Hunting Chad
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Dave Allen
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posted September 04, 2010 01:59 PM
LB, what I'm talking about is when you see guys posting up on the "net" it would seem that the guys in the know, are from the states I listed.
Not to say that there aren't good coyote hunters, or good coyote populations elsewhere.
I could have been more clear, I'm just bs'n today ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
(Edit) Oregon 59 New Mexico 0 at the half, holy smoke !
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Cdog911
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posted September 04, 2010 02:30 PM
Maybe that and a lot of other unstated factors are why the guys in "the know" are in "the know". The uneducated look at strictly the numbers being put up without taking into consideration all the other variables, such as the general numbers of coyotes in a given area, how much of that area is accessible to calling (private and locked versus BLM versus large ranches that go on forever and give a guy a season's worth of hunting with one phone call), whether the guy you're looking at is hunting his one day off a week as opposed to the guy that has seven a week all winter to plink or can hunt both night and day.
You take a guy that puts up 100 coyotes and hunts four days a week in a place like NE or AZ and compare him straight across with a guy that puts up 20 in PA on his one day off a week and you're comparing apples to oranges. We're all fond of saying that this is is a numbers game, and that applies not just to how many coyotes you have, but also to how often you can get into the field, how effective you are at putting in stands that count, your percentage of kills to called, and a host of other things. I'd rather rate a guy based upon comparing him with those that hunt similarly in his area to get an accurate picture of how he or she does. As for myself, the only numbers that matter to me are how I'm doing this year compared to last,the one prior to that, and so on. Calling coyotes to me is not unlike being on a football team. I may not win the title this year, but I do expect to get better today than I was yesterday or I'm not doing something right.
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posted September 04, 2010 03:04 PM
You have to include California. LOTS of coyotes here. Private land is king for sure,for any type of hunting here, but the reason coyote hunting has got so popular in the last 10-15 years, imo, is they are anywhere and everywhere, and more readily accessible than any other animal just about.You gotta work at it just like anything else, but they are more do-able( and funner) than a lot of game here.
There is a lot of "game-starved" hunters in this state, no private land to hunt, low deer populations, no money to go out of state, etc, and they have discovered they can get thier fix with coyotes.
As far as heavy hitters in this state, it seems like the hey day of coyote calling is over here?
No one really stands out in my mind, that is on the net anyways.
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Dave Allen
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posted September 04, 2010 03:14 PM
Good post Lance.
(Edit) I omitted my comments regarding certain states, per Leonards request.
I find Chad's post interesting, where I live in southern Id, the terrain is quite similar to northern Nevada, yet I don't believe we have the coyote population that NV has ?
Not saying NV is a coyote hunters paradise mind you, I do know my buddy who lives there kills me in regards to called and killed coyotes, I admit he is a better hunter, yet I still don't see the number of called coyotes he does.
Nor' the road kill ?
Maybe I'm putting to much "emphasis" on what I'm reading on the "net" Again my thread was mainly directed out of curiousity and for the sake of conversation.
I have only hunted coyotes in s/w Idaho and eastern Oregon, thus I can only wonder and ask about other areas.
(Edit) Mark good points, I did forget about California, it would appear weather wise to be a good environment for coyotes. Sorry LB and other CA guys ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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Leonard
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posted September 04, 2010 03:27 PM
Can we omit the Washington State and Pennsylvania references? The title of this thread is high population coyote areas. Nobody gives a shit about who kills twenty coyotes in Pennsylvania.
I still say, South Dakota does not have numbers. Wyoming doesn't either. California has a lot and so does Nevada. The difference, to me at least is the stupid regulations impossed in parts of CA versus practically no regulations in NV. And, that's why I prefer NV. Utah sucks and I know why.
Good hunting. LB
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posted September 04, 2010 03:33 PM
Dave I don't think you give Idaho enough credit at least the SW part.I know that the I.O.N region holds a hell of alot of coyotes.Some years are definitely better than others but alot none the less.FWIW
And as far as the "heavy hitters" part goes,I don't hold alot of stock in alot of what is said or assumed on the net,most of the really good callers I know either don't have a computer or never post there successes on the internet,they just keep a low profile and just rack em up.lol
Good Hunting Chad
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posted September 04, 2010 03:40 PM
Oh, I think I know too Leonard.
And you are right about Nevada holding alot of Coyotes.
I really think Utah has a good population of coyotes just not AS productive calling them.
DAA sure has them figured out though.
Good Hunting Chad
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posted September 04, 2010 04:20 PM
"Can we omit the Washington State and Pennsylvania references?"
If you say so, boss.
"The title of this thread is high population coyote areas. Nobody gives a shit about who kills twenty coyotes in Pennsylvania."
You're right, unless you live in Washington or Pennsylvania. Then again, like I've often said, anyone can kill chickens in a chicken coop.
"...and eastern Oregon..."
I know a guy - and he's one of those who stays under that radar racking up number as has been brought up - who, along with his partner in ADC work, put down an obscene number of coyotes in a remote area of OR in a single year using all methods available to them. So, I suspect there are areas in OR with good numbers. Or, at least, there used to be. And no, I'm not going to post his name here because I don't have permission to do so. I grew up with the guy and we played little league ball together. My dad, our coach, was like his dad for many years after his died, and up to about a year ago, the last time I saw him was in the mid-80's when he was sitting on Bill Austin's tailgate talking to Bill at an event here in Kansas. Blair was here, and I believe that Cronk was, too. I can't say that I knew Bill Austin, but I did shake the man's hand once. That night was the beginning of my friend's career in ADC work. Good times.
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posted September 04, 2010 04:36 PM
LB, wouldn't put either of the Dakotas on that list.
High numbers in certain areas but overall nothing like the south, southwest.
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posted September 04, 2010 04:37 PM
"So, I suspect there are areas in OR with good numbers".
Oh, I know there are....
Good Hunting Chad
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Dave Allen
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posted September 04, 2010 05:11 PM
Chad the I.O.N does hold, what I would guess ? to be a fairly significant amount of coyotes.
Again as I know no other places, I'm guessing.
I'm impressed you know what the I.O.N is..
My areas have been down the last few years in my estimation, perhaps I'm frustrated and experiancing some "coyote envy" lol..
Leonard, I edited my post, guess I thought going off topic and Hi-Jacking threads, even ones own, was encouraged here ?
Guess not..I'll do my best in the future to stay on topic, or hopefully not say anything you don't agree with ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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posted September 04, 2010 05:35 PM
I think it's a huge mistake to look at Washington as a single ubiquitous environment (as if there's only the more difficult to hunt and less than "productive" west/wet side).
The eastern side is part of the same great basin desert ecosystem that much of "the west" is.
Pennsylvania doesn't have that.
Jerry Malbeck is certainly one of those "in the know" with a more than impressive track record, and Curt Barrett is no slouch himself.
Beyond that, Del Kramer was arguably one of the best coyote trappers ever to have put steel to the ground (though, he didn't have any use for the internet).
Hell TA is a self appointed "internet expert" ...so it just goes to show being in the know on the internet doesn't mean shit! ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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posted September 04, 2010 07:50 PM
COME ON DAVE! HAVE AT IT. Whatever you want to say, say it! You are the last person I thought would be the sensitive type? I'm not a censor, but in this case, the subject of high coyote populations and (insert unlikely state)Pennsylvania just doesn't work, for me. I just don't care who kills what, back there.
It's just that, when we consider a STATE, you/we tend to think of the whole state, not the eastern half. I'd be the first to admit that southeastern Oregon has a lot of coyotes. A lot! So does extreme southern Idaho, and that goes hand in hand with northern Nevada, just an extention of the area. Look at a map. Northern Nevada and southern Idaho and southeastern Oregon is pretty much the same shit. I guess Chad knows what I mean about Utah. It sucks. Unfortunate.
Good hunting. LB
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Dave Allen
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posted September 04, 2010 08:17 PM
Leonard, you are correct I'm very far from being the "sensitive" type. I only painted some examples in my post, I only mentioned Washington state for the purpose of conversation, I said nothing about Pennsylvania ?
If you wanna' tangle I'm game ? You Sir are the one that always says off topic is cool, along with thread de-railments, no ?
Yet when someone mentiones hunting in PA, you jump on board and say it doesn't work for you ?
Sounds like you are one sided, and two faced.
What would you like from me ? too kiss you're ass ? Ain't gonna' happen..
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posted September 04, 2010 08:47 PM
Leonard,
I'd hazard to guess that western Washington holds nearly as many coyotes as the other side, mile for mile, they (like much of California, Texas, and other states) just aren't accessable and as killable as their eastern Washington counterparts.
And... since this thread was about "heavy hitters, in the know" as much as or more so than about statewide population levels, I feel that Washington has a place in that discussion.
Krusty
P.S. I doubt any state has a statistically equal distribution, even those with the highest concentrations of heavy hitters.
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posted September 04, 2010 11:09 PM
Look Dave. You are making something out of nothing and my reply wasn't directed solely at you; nor did it have your name on it. Somebody else mentioned PA; I think Lance? As far as kissing my ass.... you can kiss my ass, Amigo. Had a little too much to drink, or what?
Now, do what ever the fuk you want and quit whining, dammit.
Good hunting. LB
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posted September 05, 2010 04:30 AM
Leonard,
Why all the ire towards Pennsylvania hunters? These guys freeze their asses off in winter, get stalked by bear in the fall, and do so for little return in regards to actual number of coyote kills.
Maybe Sheri will correct me, but 20 coyotes called and killed in a year in PA is a very generous estimate for one hunter. I don't know of anyone who has done it. I mentioned this before, it hasn't been done in NJ....not even close.
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posted September 05, 2010 04:58 AM
49, I have nothing against PA or NJ, for that matter. I don't mind getting off topic, either. But when the topic is "high population coyote areas" and the poster has a list of western states to ponder, that's plenty to consider without cluttering up the conversation with those heros back east in the woods that killed 20 animals. That's not hijacking a thread, it is completely irrelevant. But, if that's what you want to talk about, have at it. ElBee
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You take a guy that puts up 100 coyotes and hunts four days a week in a place like NE or AZ and compare him straight across with a guy that puts up 20 in PA on his one day off a week and you're comparing apples to oranges (Cdog)
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Sounds like you are one sided, and two faced.
You are getting on my nerves. Can't you follow a simple train of thought? Remember the cardinal rule here; don't piss me off.
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posted September 05, 2010 07:00 AM
Not including Montana or North Dakota may have more to do with lack of hunter/poster population than coyote population. Those states are pretty remote to large hunter populations.The coyote populations bounce up and down so much over time that
I would think when you are looking numbers it would depend alot on the time frame.Areas we hunted in Nevada and were overun in 2005 have since been very dismal in numbers,sign,prey base,The same large geograhic area could be descibed as both abundant and scarce of coyotes all with a period of 3 years. Realizing cycles exist.
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