|
Author
|
Topic: Pup distress or adult distress
|
TA17Rem
Hello, I'm the legendary Tim Anderson, Southern Minneesota Know it all
Member # 794
|
posted June 10, 2010 09:00 PM
Who uses it before a shot is taken and who uses it after and what are the percentages of bringing a coyote in or back for a shot??
Also are there other sounds you would use instead or have better results with????
--------------------
What if I told you, the left wing and right wing both belong to same bird!
Posts: 5617 | From: S.D. | Registered: Jan 2006
| IP: Logged
|
|
Leonard
HMFIC
Member # 2
|
posted June 11, 2010 10:28 AM
What the hey, this is a fair question!
I certainly don't begin a stand with an adult distress, or a pup distress. I occasionally use a gray fox pup distress beginning a stand and it works very well.
Good hunting. LB
--------------------
EL BEE Knows It All and Done It All.
Don't piss me off!
Posts: 32366 | From: Upland, CA | Registered: Jan 2003
| IP: Logged
|
|
TOM64
Knows what it's all about
Member # 561
|
posted June 11, 2010 11:06 AM
I've used JS's canine pup distress as my only sound for quite a few years with great success year round.
I use adult distress after the shot and it hasn't always worked.
I've been using Cal's Coyote pup screams for a couple of years now for an after shot thing and it has worked very well. Of course that's a FP sound.
This year I used some it after a howl and it worked well.
I had a guy ask one time why we didn't just use pup whines all the time. At the time I didn't want to over use it but the JS sound seems to work for 3 of us that hunt the same places back home. Others have not had such good luck with it.
Keep in mind the last 2 years, I haven't hunted much. I think I made 39 stands this year from the middle of Dec-Feb so take it for what it's worth.
[ June 11, 2010, 11:09 AM: Message edited by: TOM64 ]
Posts: 2283 | From: okieland | Registered: Feb 2005
| IP: Logged
|
|
Cdog911
"There are some ideas so absurd only an intellectual could believe them."--George Orwell.
Member # 7
|
posted June 11, 2010 11:10 AM
If either is going to work in a given place, the response is oftentimes immediate and noteworthy. Conventional wisdom and, for lack of a better word, tradition seems to favor using it as a follow up sound either after a shot or kill, or as a means of cleaning up an otherwise unproductive stand. All that aside, there have been times where an area feels especially good to me and I have a lot of confidence that a coyote is nearby, and have readied myself to shoot fast and gone straight to a coyote distress. And, it has produced for me. But, those are exceptions because, if I'm going to use vocalizations on a given stand, I usually begin with a few conservative lone howls spaced several minutes apart so as to elicit a slower, more conservative response and reconnoiter that offers a much better shot opportunity. If and when I've tried ki-yi's first, I'm usually in an area I've overhunted and am just seeking to change things up dramatically knowing that it's highly unlikely that anyone else has used that strategy.
Bringing a coyote back for a shot? Maybe 30% of the time. Getting a coyote to check up inside 100-175 yards after shooting, maybe 50% of the time.
I rely heavily upon simply female howls to open stands moreso that coyote distress, but just because I want to save the coup d'gracey damn near sure thing for just in case I need it. Plenty of most will at least stand up to look you over to a simple howl, so why show all the aces?
--------------------
I am only one. But still, I am one. I cannot do everything, but still, I can do something; and, because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do something that I can do.
Posts: 5440 | From: The gun-lovin', gun-friendly wild, wild west | Registered: Jan 2003
| IP: Logged
|
|
jwelk
Knows what it's all about
Member # 2051
|
posted June 11, 2010 12:03 PM
When the calling starts to get tough here I will start with a howl or two then go to the pup distress,it seems to be working pretty well for me.
Posts: 51 | From: oklahoma | Registered: Nov 2007
| IP: Logged
|
|
Kelly Jackson
SECOND PLACE/GARTH BROOKS LOOK-A-LIKE CONTEST
Member # 977
|
posted June 11, 2010 02:08 PM
Why you want to play your Ace when Jack will do.
edit to add
Coyote distress sounds, I am a fan. Seems to work better in some parts of the country when used before the shot.
Probably has something to do with coyote densities, pack/family dynamics, how close you are to their core area, time of year and a bunch of other stuff I don’t know much about.
stay after them
Kelly
[ June 11, 2010, 02:25 PM: Message edited by: Kelly Jackson ]
Posts: 997 | From: Comanche OK | Registered: Oct 2006
| IP: Logged
|
|
Randy Roede
"It's Roede, like in Yotie
Member # 1273
|
posted June 12, 2010 07:16 AM
Kelly, lots of things in your post that most will never think about or put into the equation to come up with the why???
If you knew you were on a den or near a den now, any coyote distress will work.
If you knew you were on a territorial coyote or coyotes, in highly populated area, etc it will work the majority of the time.
Family groups still together etc.
If you don't know any of this it's a crap shoot at best!
KIYI'S to stop multiples, better this time of year and with paired up older coyotes otherwise it's about 50-50. It seems to work a little better if you have it playing or going as close to the first shot as possible. Better if you can have going while you shoot the first one, seems to cover it up. Planning on the sound to play after you take the first one on stand without that quiet time, whether it be coyote distress or whatever. Works better for me anyways. The volume of the electronic call may be hiding some of the sound of the gunshot??
A coyote distress used to start a stand or IMO any coyote vocalization used in the Oct. to Feb timeframe when not having a clue what is out there is going to spook off more coyotes that it will ever bring in. Talking the coyotes that would not come into prey distress.
Curious, do you see more of your coyotes circling farther downwind when you use vocalizations, in the fur season, than normal. The ones that you see doing this what are they? IMO I usually see YOY males in breeding season, what I would expect to see, and old bitches on the third and fourth trips in on coyotes that have eluded me on the previous trips. Get her out of there and the rest come easier.
I had a 6-8 pack that had a sassy stick tailed bitch coyote, it was in a drainage that first two times in any sound would trigger her to bark and howl and move the YOY of like a border collie moving sheep, some would try and come and she would go cut them off and turn them away. They were always in the same general area, dead cow there holding them, it was ate out but they were still around it. Finally got a wind where i could make a mile to a mile and a half walk in to a dam grade where they liked to leave from on the previous trips. Totally opposite from where anyone would ever try to work this country. Simple vole sounds brought her up for a look, very old female.
In our highly called in and not killed areas, soft simple sounds with more attention to stand locations and getting into the country undetected are the most important things.
Really not fair to the way most guys will be hunting country and my views, I have many trips and years of experience in certain areas where you almost know them by names and know a certain stand and place with a certain wind that will work. You locate all the time, it's my job so it may not be a fair shake. Now you know why my wife thinks I'm crazy, "all you do is talk about coyotes"!
I've gotten to the point of just keepin quiet so I don't sound like an arrogant prick, as some may say!! Bored today, rainin etc.
If you have hunting instincts and are able to comprehend what you see along with the resources that allow you to be out in the field collecting data, lots of data, the picture gets a little clearer. Still fuzzy some days! ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
--------------------
The only person dumber than the village idiot is the person who argues with him!
Posts: 669 | From: Pierre SD | Registered: Mar 2007
| IP: Logged
|
|
coyote whacker
Knows what it's all about
Member # 639
|
posted June 12, 2010 07:30 AM
yep as stated pup in distress is a great sound to use all summer for those that do calling then. fall/winter if I use coyote sounds and not knowing what is out there I have a young coyote challange that is a catch all sound and works well in conjunction with distress sounds be it yoy coyotes breaking up or adults that want to steal the deal.
I have one sound I use a newer one called a coyote death cry that is dynamite after the first coyote is shot . I had a pair come in the male of course the leader 2 weeks ago, the female stayed in a low spot he came in and was working downwind so when he stopped on a high spot I let him have it, the female took off up the hill heading back to the den area I hit the coyote death cry she stopped and turned on a dime, came back to 150 yrds and that was that.
A good sound for sure, but I will keep it solely for after the shot as I see it as a real benefit then and with the foxbang feature all the better that will be my preset one to use as it has proven itslef as a great attention grabber on those coyotes leaving the area.
--------------------
This is done on my time and my dime. My views may differ from those of others!
Posts: 376 | From: USA | Registered: Apr 2005
| IP: Logged
|
|
Possumal
HONORARY CALLS FORUM MODERATOR edit: AND TOKEN LIBERAL
Member # 823
|
posted June 12, 2010 08:10 AM
A lot of solid information in Randy's post. IMO, nothing is more important than knowledge of the land and the critters who live there. The long walk to a different setup works when other things fail. I agree with CoyoteWhacker about Coyote Death Cry. It is my go to after the shot and has worked well. If I was hunting them at this time of year, coyote & fox fight, followed by fox distress, coyote pup distress, alternated works well. The adult coyotes are more territorial, busy protecting this year's pups, so it is good for hunting or training decoy dogs.
--------------------
Al Prather
Foxpro Field Staff
Posts: 781 | From: Nicholasville, Ky. | Registered: Mar 2006
| IP: Logged
|
|
Leonard
HMFIC
Member # 2
|
posted June 12, 2010 08:14 AM
Good work, Tim. Acting clueless has smoked out a few nuggets!
Good hunting. LB
--------------------
EL BEE Knows It All and Done It All.
Don't piss me off!
Posts: 32366 | From: Upland, CA | Registered: Jan 2003
| IP: Logged
|
|
nd coyote killer
HUNTMASTER PRO STAFF
Member # 40
|
posted June 14, 2010 10:56 AM
This time of year around the dens i obviously use the pup in distress a lot works really well for obvious reasons. After the shot i use Ki-Yi's and it stops them for a shot probably 75% of the time calling them back this time of year with it is much higher than during the fur season. I use Ki-yi's on hung up coyotes occasionally in the fur season but never start the stand with it in the fur season.
Just my two cents
--------------------
"Sure are cocky for a starving pilgrim" - Bear Claw
Posts: 385 | From: On a hill | Registered: Jan 2003
| IP: Logged
|
|
|
UBBFriend: Email this page to someone!
Printer-friendly view of this topic
