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Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on February 03, 2010, 01:31 PM:
Sooooo, Im out calling and I keep running into people who want to talk hunting setups and they always start off by saying "so, I started my set off with a so and so sound..."
The place I call from is a stand. A set is for trapping.
I have seen a few videos where the caller calls it a set, Randy Anderson for one.
I think a lot of guys think the word "set" is cooler to say, as in a surfer saying: Dude ,Im just waiting for my set"(of waves)
No big deal, been discussed before,I dont think it really matters but just venting.
Mark
[ February 03, 2010, 01:33 PM: Message edited by: Lone Howl ]
Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on February 03, 2010, 01:55 PM:
Well when I hunt deer or other critters from an elevated platform it's called a tree stand, not a tree "set."
Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on February 03, 2010, 02:05 PM:
I wonder if it's a regional thing? No one I know in the west uses that term, they all say "stand". I think it's one of those "eastern" things; just as so many of the guys I know from the east, mis-pronounce Leupold, pronouncing the name Leo-pold, like the author Aldo? Go figure.
Same jingle asses say "clip" instead of the correct term "magazine" I could go on and on:)
Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on February 03, 2010, 02:19 PM:
Randy Anderson is from Nebraska, so the term "stand" was likely what he used BP (before Primos). Now that he has became BIG TIME, he has to sound more important ya know. Primos used to be strictly turkey hunters. Maybe Primos used the term "set" when they set up a turkey blind?
Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on February 03, 2010, 02:27 PM:
Maybe it's a regional thing because I thought a stand was when you were on two feet and a set is when you were on your rump. Maybe I'm missing something here? ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 03, 2010, 02:27 PM:
Those are all good ones. "Set" grates bad, it offends my sensibilities.
So does "Yote" and "Ky yote tee". This has also been discussed before, but it keeps popping up! Hate it! Those things are COYOTES, damnit! KY- YOTES
It's worser than Quiet or "Quite" as they say back east ..... that's one I have long been guilty of. Anything east of Denver is "BACK EAST" from my perspective. Some of those (so called) "midwesterners" take exception but what do they know?
Good hunting. LB
Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on February 03, 2010, 02:43 PM:
Well I am an hour from the Atlantic Ocean, so it doesn't get too much more "east" than that, relatively speaking.
BTW, I also dislike the term "yote."
Posted by Locohead (Member # 15) on February 03, 2010, 02:56 PM:
quote:
I wonder if it's a regional thing?
I think I might of had a similar converstion with Vic once? Maybe someone else. Anyway, I've hunted with lots of you folks from outside of Colorado that call ponds "tanks". To me, a pond is a pond and a tank is a tank?!?! ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
As mentioned, all this has been mentioned already. So I'll brave one more already mentioned whooper...my personal regional favorite pronunciation of coyotes is the one syllable 'kautz'
[ February 03, 2010, 02:56 PM: Message edited by: Locohead ]
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on February 03, 2010, 03:13 PM:
To me, a "stand" is an all inclusive term for the sake of brevity that pretty much includes everything related to calling in the situation I am in and infers that I sat down, called and hopefully killed a coyote, as in, "I made three stands today and killed seventeen coyotes." I think of it as, "This is where I'm taking a stand against these dad-burned coyoteees"
I have heard the term "set" used to describe what is, to me, a stand, and even heard it repeatedly in a conversation this weekend but continued to use the word "stand" in hopes of retraining the person with whom I was speaking via persistent repetition. If and when I use the word "set" to refer to a "stand", I include the modifier "up" as in "set up" which indicates that I intend to continue further with a more detailed description of the stand, to include where I was relative to nearby and distant structure, wind direction and the like.
A new member here has used the vernacular "yote" already and, not wanting to be rude to the new guy, I didn't take the opportunity to warn him about the consequences of using such a vial term. You know who you are,....this has been your warning. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Some people are just in such a hurry to be efficient with their time, that they somehow see a benefit to culling syllables. I work with a guy named Bryan, and one of our other co-workers started calling him "Bry" from his first day in the office. I found that to be very, very annoying - like calling me "Lan" - so I took to calling him, "Brrr" and even "Buh!" just to be even more annoying. The instigator got the point. If you're in too big a hurry to call someone or something by their correct name, you're not important. You're just a piss poor time manager. Then again, I may just let little things bug me too much. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
[ February 03, 2010, 03:14 PM: Message edited by: Cdog911 ]
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on February 03, 2010, 03:47 PM:
Very well said Lan, exactly the way I feel.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 03, 2010, 04:41 PM:
Yeah, ditto, and since you mention it, more petty little shit. Loco(xxxx) occasionally calls me Leon, which I HATE!
Posted by Dan Carey (Member # 987) on February 03, 2010, 05:50 PM:
In the southwestern desert when hunting predators, I prefer to stand, I'm totally opposed to setting as the cacti is everywhere.
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on February 03, 2010, 06:05 PM:
I knew you westerners didn't know your tail from a hole in the ground. So you sat down and called but you call it a stand? Go figure!
I worked with a guy who was a band singer at night and "set's" were what he did when he was calling young ladies, so what's the difference?
Leon did bring it to my attention once and now I tend to make stands, never really noticed or cared before.
As for LEO-POLD it will always be that to me, even though I try to pronounce it correctly, LOO-POLD just doesn't sound right.
Coyotes is always coyotes though, several years ago I went with the wife to one of her meetings in Lubbock. Me and Ray England had been hunting coyotes but had to be there on the last night, (to show support and all). They got us on stage along with another guy to introduce us and this other guys wife (who was pretty important in the company) said we had been hunting coyotees. All three of us in unison corrected her before we really had time to think about it.
I think ya'll have too much time on your hands.
Posted by Bryan J (Member # 106) on February 03, 2010, 06:07 PM:
I don’t know if it is a regional thing or not I hear guys around here call them sets. I have just kind of used it as an indicator of how long that individual has been hunting coyotes. Sets will always be flat, blind, or with some kind of hole.
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on February 03, 2010, 06:07 PM:
Dan, maybe that's the reason but I thought Rockin boy just invented standing on stands?
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on February 03, 2010, 06:24 PM:
"Sets will always be flat, blind, or with some kind of hole."
I swear I'm not going to comment on this. Not at all.
Posted by Locohead (Member # 15) on February 03, 2010, 06:28 PM:
I always say stand too. It can be confusing to those outside of the fraternity. (I hate that word - I think its Hubers fault) More than once I've been talking predator hunting with other hunters that know nothing about hunting coyotes and had them think I was talking about tree 'stands'.
I love nick-names. My wife's best friends' name is Kimberly. Everyone calls her Kim. I figured I'd use the back-half of her name and now she's 'berly' or 'burly'. Take the middle half of RichHiggins and you get 'chHigg' start in the middle and you get Chiggins.
I've got a friend that I always call by his full name - Demian C. Klausing. Every now and then I shorten it to just 'D' but it has to be for something like "Look Out D."
'Leon' is my favorite because it sounds way cooler than just plain ol' ordinary 'Len' - besides that is short for Lennard not Leonard. I like the shortend version 'Leon' - sounds a little like The Great Leonardo Da Vicci - 'Leon' makes me think of Lion, you know the "King of Beasts!" "The Mightiest of Hunters" These are the things I endeavor to communicate every time I type the letters L.E.O.N.
Leon The Great, King of Beasts, Mightiest of Hunters
...but if prefer...len...'sniff sniff'...I will... ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
Posted by Bryan J (Member # 106) on February 03, 2010, 06:33 PM:
Ok, Lance that was after I tried trapping, before that a set was a group of songs the band at the bar played between breaks.
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on February 03, 2010, 07:18 PM:
Ok, to review;
A stand is when you sit calling coyotes,
A set is when you kneel burying a trap,
A sit is what you do on a tailgate at lunchtime,
Most ranchers use the one syllable 'Kautz' pronounciation.
Coues Deer is pronounced 'Cows'.
LEONard has only one rule; Don't piss him off,
And, Koko was Rex Allens horse, not the handsome rascle known around here.
Clear as mud, eh???
Posted by Possumal (Member # 823) on February 03, 2010, 07:33 PM:
Never heard anybody call a stand a set. You can sit on a stand or stand on a stand, but it is still a stand.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 03, 2010, 07:39 PM:
edit: ^what he said.
I usually let girl friends call me Len or "Lenny". Everybody else; it would be nice if we were together on this. I (personally) prefer Leonard, but know there are those than prefer asshole or prick. Whatever blows your skirt up, girls!
Good hunting. LB
[ February 03, 2010, 07:40 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on February 03, 2010, 08:29 PM:
"you folks from outside of Colorado that call ponds "tanks". To me, a pond is a pond and a tank is a tank"
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Locohead,
I do believe that you have been speaking to Texans.
I have a friend or three in Wellington, Texas. I stayed with Scott Tarver down there a few times, so I know that coyotes are "cowtes", oil is "Ole" and a pond is a "tank". I used to tell him all of the time that "you texans talk funny". One day he really thru me off when he was telling me about looking for air heads down by the river. When I asked him what the heck an air head was, he said "Air heads, You know like bow and airs?" Geeze, I almost died laughing.
Posted by JoeF (Member # 228) on February 03, 2010, 08:54 PM:
I've kind of settled on "LB". Short and to the point. We probably all know who that refers to. Pronounced "Ellll-Beee".
Past that, I get confused.
Stands are where we kill things....
Coyotes, deer, or Custers.
Sets are a deep and diverse subject...
Sets - I've played a few. Used to head outside between them to have a smoke.
Sets - I've chased a few. A synonym - a pair. A great pair. What a great set!
Sets - I've made a few. Caught a great looking fox... and then my memories get mixed.
Moved to ILLNoize and have had to adapt (not well) to everything being called a "blind". Deer blinds, turkey blinds, "do you think I can kill a coyote from a blind?"
Sorry guys, but blinds are for killing ducks. That simple.
I will fess up to (evidently?) mispronouncing the word "coyote". We all knew what we were talking about.
Posted by Locohead (Member # 15) on February 03, 2010, 09:07 PM:
Killer Kronk, Jeepers that really is funny. Kids are getting ready for bed and everyone came running out of the bedroom to see what I was laughing at.
I could totally see your confusion..."looking for Air Heads"? I can just see you scratching your head in all earnest trying to decipher the meaning...then he tells you..."air heads like bows and airs"...
Gee, maybe I'm just in a giddy mood but that one just outright tickled me. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Posted by Locohead (Member # 15) on February 03, 2010, 09:13 PM:
I just now read Joe's post. I dig it.
LB = Alby, like the mini version of Alberto!
Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on February 03, 2010, 10:35 PM:
As already stated, I believe "sets" stems from bird hunters, as a set of duck decoys are hunted over (and the word set refers to the specific pattern in which they laid out).
"We hunted a nice set, for a brace of mallards."
And in that case, and some others, nobody I know of makes a "stand" from within a blind (box or brush), regardless of their quarry.
As for the word coyote, I take my pronunciation from the spanish, those who gave him this particular name, and use three syllables "ki-yo-tee" (as opposed to spanish inflected "co-yo-tay", who sneaks people accross the border).
As for Leonard, he will always be Leonard, to me.
No shortening it, no initials, and I don't know why that is... but after hearing that's how he prefers it, that's good enough as any reason to keep it the way it is.
A stock tank, is made of galvanized metal, usually corrugated, with a rolled lip on top.
A pond has a dirt bottom, and I don't care how it got there (man made, by diggin a hole or impounded by a dam, or nautral).
Krusty (which I prefer as such, though "K" is sufficent, for my friends) 
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 03, 2010, 10:45 PM:
The flaw in your reasoning is that there aren't any Ky yo tees in SPAIN. It's an animal native to North America, so I don't see why Americans can't pronounce the word in English?
Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on February 03, 2010, 11:13 PM:
Leonard,
The Spanish came here, and named the coyote what we still call it, before the white man (Merriwether Lewis) named it "Lewis' prairie wolf"...
From Webtser's online dictionary;
Main Entry: coy·ote
Pronunciation: \kī-ˈō-tē, chiefly Western ˈkī-ˌōt\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural coyotes or coyote
Etymology: Mexican Spanish, from Nahuatl coyōtl
Date: 1759
1 : a buff-gray to reddish-gray North American canid (Canis latrans) closely related to but smaller than the wolf
2 : one who smuggles immigrants into the United States
You don't put a taco in a "tor-till-a" do you?
Krusty
Posted by Locohead (Member # 15) on February 04, 2010, 12:48 AM:
quote:
Pronunciation: \kī-ˈō-tē, chiefly Western ˈkī-ˌōt\
It is a 'chiefly Western' critter dang it 'K'. So 'kī-ˌōt' it is!
Maybe those 50 lb. coyote-wolf hybrids or whatever they are, that live chiefly Eastern, are really the kī-ˈō-tēs. Maybe that's what Merriwether Lewis saw prior to crossing the big river and called little prairie wolves. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
P.S. DUHHHH!!! Any self respecting Meskin eats a taco on a soft corn tor-ti-lla. And if that isn't correction enough, Even when at Taco Bell, I order a taco supreme and throw it into a regular bean burrito with 4 packets of Fire sauce. Ooooo baby - Nummy!!! Heck yeah we put tacos in tor-ti-llas!!!
[ February 04, 2010, 12:54 AM: Message edited by: Locohead ]
Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on February 04, 2010, 03:27 AM:
Loco,
I had my old VHS cam-corder with me one time when I was at Scotts house in Texas, and I still have a video of an interview I made with him. It goes something like this.
Cronk: So Scott, I understand that you have your own Mechanic business.
Scott: Yep.
Cronk: So Scott, what is the best thing I can do to make sure my car always runs good and lasts a long time?
Scott: Always keep you Ole changed.
Cronk: Keep WHAT changed?
Scott: Yer OLE
Cronk: What the heck is OLE
Scott: You know what a dip stick is? It's where you check yer OLE.
Cronk: Oh you mean OIL?
Scott: Yep, OLE
Cronk: You Texans can't even pronounce OIL!
Scott: OLE comes from Texas, I guess I know how to SAY it.
By this time I am layin' down slapping the floor and laughing so hard I almost died.
Posted by Joel Hughes (Member # 384) on February 04, 2010, 07:39 AM:
Mr. Cronk, I'm glad you got a good laugh at the fellow Texan for talking correctly, but I'd betcha Scott and his buddies at the coffee shop had a pretty good time talking about you too.
Oh, and I agree...stands, Ky-yotes, quiet/quite, ole, tanks, and all that proper stuff.
Don't forget dogs! My wife has a dog. I kill ky-yotes.
[edit to add the ]
[ February 04, 2010, 08:03 AM: Message edited by: Joel Hughes ]
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on February 04, 2010, 12:12 PM:
And since we are talkin about destoying the langauge. Where the hell did 'funner 'come from. That one really gets me.
Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on February 04, 2010, 03:18 PM:
Let me be Pacific here and tell you that Kay-Oh-Tees are made for killin' on a sit and ain't nothin' funner, unless you stand.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 04, 2010, 04:21 PM:
Each ares i call in can be a little different so sometimes i set on a few stands and sometimes i stand on a few sets.. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
As for coyotes we call them brush wolves here...
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on February 04, 2010, 04:52 PM:
brush wolves - one notch under song dogs.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 04, 2010, 04:56 PM:
Ain't that the truth!
Posted by predatorhunter (Member # 3559) on February 04, 2010, 05:01 PM:
In kentucky we say stand; although I sometimes call the place that area I intend to hunt a set-up because that's where I plan set-up the call and decoy. From the time I start calling to the time finish is a stand. Mabey it's just a southern thing. As for coyotes ,that's what I usually call them but, sometimes I'll say yote; not because I'm in a hurry but, because that's what my son used to call them when he was little. He loved to go with me from the time he was four. I lost him in Iraq a short time ago so I sometimes use that term out of respect for him. I hope that it hasn't offended anyone too much. I'll try to watch it from now on! But, if I slip; at least you'll know why.
Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on February 04, 2010, 05:51 PM:
predatorhunter,
I'm sorry about the loss of your son. You can call those dogs and stands/sets whatever you want as well as anybody else, I'm too young and new to this game to have any hard set rules.
Posted by Locohead (Member # 15) on February 04, 2010, 06:28 PM:
Heck no Predator Hunter, you never offended anyone and I think that one heck of cool tribute. Every time you've used the term 'yote, you were honoring one of our heroes!!! There aren't words to express especially for some one I barely know but I've grown to like you in the short amount of time you've been posting here. So sorry for your loss and thank you, you and his mom both!!!!
Posted by Possumal (Member # 823) on February 04, 2010, 06:51 PM:
Ditto to Tundra Wookie and Locohead. Your son is one of the true heroes and his contribution to all of us will never be forgotten. Yote it is.
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on February 04, 2010, 07:16 PM:
Predatorhunter, I am truly sorry for your loss sir. I couldnt imagine..
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on February 04, 2010, 07:21 PM:
What I said was in good fun, predatorhunter. No offense intended and we all now have good reason to think of your boy when we hear that term. Sorry for your loss and know that I appreciate what he, and your family, have given for mine.
Posted by Dan Carey (Member # 987) on February 04, 2010, 07:31 PM:
I had forgotten rockinbaby invented standing stands. I will in the future just sit in the cactus so as not to infringe on his patent.
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on February 04, 2010, 08:18 PM:
Predatorhunter, that kind of puts everthing in it's place. Sorry for your loss and you call em whatever you wish.
We're all just poking at each other cause that's what we do.
Posted by Brad Norman (Member # 234) on February 04, 2010, 08:34 PM:
Your sacrifice is very much appreciated.
You guys should ask Calvin about the time we killed a badger with a bow while he was hiding in a tin horn behind a tank damn. He still doesn't know where we killed that badger but I bet Tom and Kelly do.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 04, 2010, 11:22 PM:
Badger with a bow? A single arrow? We gotta hear this one. Brad, your teaser is none too clear.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on February 05, 2010, 07:05 AM:
I started out with considerable confusion, on coyote, vs. coyotEEE.
See, when I was just a very young lad, like 3 or 4 years old, I had this toy. It was kind of like a big heavy clock with a pull string. Around the face of it were animals and you moved the pointer to the animal, pulled the string, and it would play the animal sound. But before the animal sound, a guy would say the animals name. My favorite animal on the thing, of course, was the coyote. But the guy on the toy called them coyoteeees. So, it would be "The coyotEEEE goes <coyote howl>".
So, imagine my confusion when, as an only slightly older very young boy, out hunting with my Dad, and him getting downright irritated with me for calling them coyotEEEES. But, Dad got his point across, loud and clear. And I've been calling them coyotes, without the traling EEEEE, ever since.
- DAA
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on February 05, 2010, 07:55 AM:
lol I remember those toys Dave, I think we all had one.
It had to be one of the very earliest electronic callers. Way ahead of its time.
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on February 05, 2010, 12:47 PM:
its always been coyote(ki oat). For me its a stand not a set ,its a magazine not a clip. its a car or its a truck not an suv. but it certainly is fun pokin at each other.I dont much care what ya call it as long as I understand what you mean.
Predator hunter You sir can call them anything you wish. Your family has given beyond measure and any memory of your son is a very special thing.
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on February 05, 2010, 01:15 PM:
Now magazine vs. the clip thing I totaly understand. Clips is what loads mags.
Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on February 05, 2010, 02:33 PM:
A "See and Say" had a coyote on it???
All I remember is the farm animals, and Sesame Street, versions.
To me, a clip is the verb form for how I attach the rope to the rock (dude you better clip in), and my rifle has a removeable box magazine.
But... I once had that conversation with an old military man, and he said "A magazine, is the place I got the bullets, that I put in my clip."
Krusty
Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on February 05, 2010, 03:31 PM:
Krusty,
You can still buy the old See and Say with a Coyote on it.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Mattel-Farmer-Says-See-&-Say-Pull-Cord-FREE-S%2FH_W0QQitemZ260542643837QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20100124?IMSfp=TL100124155001r35468
Posted by 3 Toes (Member # 1327) on February 05, 2010, 03:39 PM:
I can't ever tell what Okies are talking about Lynyrd. But I did shoot a badger with my bow once while they were with me. It came out of a culvert and I stapled it to the ground with a head shot. Now the badger Brad is refering to I have no idea because I still don't know what a tinhorn is. Tanks are made of metal, rubber or fiberglass. We have ponds, dams, resevoirs, and dugouts. Cricks and rivers. Draws, cuts, canyons, and washouts. Ridges, saddles, and passes. Not sure on the rest. I put clips in rifles and pistols and I read magazines. It has been a clip to me since my first 22 had one and thats what they told me it was.
Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on February 05, 2010, 04:01 PM:
Thank you Cal!! ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
I thought I was gonna have to fight this one alone. I was told it was a clip about the same time you was and its been a clip ever since. I dont give a hoot what anybody says.
Also, your correct about a tank, its made of metal or fiberglass. We have ponds. But we dont have those "cricks" you speak of. We do have "creeks". Are they similar?
First time I went to Colorado elk huntin, the rancher had me all fucked up. He gave me directions to a "park" on top of this mountain. I busted my ass for three days up there. I never did find that park, but I did find a damn nice field that the elk were usin pretty heavy. LOL
I can see callin them meadows or fields, but why parks? Parks have kids and rides and shit like that....
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 05, 2010, 04:15 PM:
Well, for those that insist on inaccurate and incorrect nomenclature, some military rifles use a stripper clip to load their magazine. On a Garand, I can't nbelieve that I don't remember what that thing is called, but the rifle is pretty useless without that gadget that holds eight rounds together? You insert the whole thing into the internal magazine, and it is ejected after the last shot is fired.
Cal, did you kill that badger dead, or did it flutter around like a moth on a hat pin? Do you use mostly sign language to communicate with Okies, or what?
Good hunting. LB
Posted by predatorhunter (Member # 3559) on February 05, 2010, 04:25 PM:
Thanks for all the kind words guys;the're truly appreciated! It's funny all the ways people talk from state to state. In Eastern Ky. they say things like 'shore' instead of sure and 'tar' instead of tire. Where I live ,people say things like win-der for window. Whin I was in school I used to joke around in english class just to anoy my teacher. I would say things like don't got instead of don't have. One day I was talking to a friend and the teacher asked why I wasn't working on my homework; I replied "I don't got no pencil". She corrected me and said "I don't have a pencil" to which I replied "what a coincidence, I don't got one neither!" I thought she was going to quit. I then told her that I had aready finished and was just kidding. Though my english is good I do still have that southern accent. A friend in Mo. calls us redneck hicks; I just say that's ok, we still have all your gold!
Posted by 3 Toes (Member # 1327) on February 05, 2010, 05:12 PM:
The badger was very dead. One other thing that comes to mind when dealing with okies and southerners. Just where the hell is "yonder"? Is it a direction? I can't tell. "I shot that antelope and it ran over yonder". I don't even know where to start looking.
Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on February 05, 2010, 05:15 PM:
It is interesting the different terms and jargon used around the country. So in your (You-All's, Ya'lls) necks of the woods, is Soda called SODA, or POP? In Michigan, where I'm originally from it was POP, up here in Alaska it's SODA. We have rivers and creeks up here, not too sure of any cricks. I get a crick in my neck once in awhile though and I use clips in my weapons. I wonder if that Coyote on the See and Say is CD (16bit 44.1kHz) quality?. Just (messin', joshin', jabbin', ribbin') you all.
[ February 05, 2010, 05:20 PM: Message edited by: TundraWookie ]
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on February 05, 2010, 05:17 PM:
LB, it's called an en bloc on the Garand. Stripper clips have been used to load magazines for decades.
Cal yonder isn't too far and you should be able to see it. Now way over yonder is a different story, it's usually a perty fur piece.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 05, 2010, 05:19 PM:
Yonder is some distance away; it's not close. You can get some clue by following their gaze or sometimes you get a head motion. I could be wrong?
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Locohead (Member # 15) on February 05, 2010, 06:06 PM:
This is thread is great!
quote:
Where I live ,people say things like win-der for window.
Predatorhunter reminded me of my favorite part in the kids movie "Cars". The hillbilly tow truck says, "Mah name is Mater, jest lak tuhmater without the tuh!"
Okies say cool stuff like, "he's crazier than a 'born coon."
My cousin was once asked to pray before our meal and he bowed his head and said, "Thank you Lord for these here vittles that we done got. Amen!"
Posted by jwelk (Member # 2051) on February 05, 2010, 06:59 PM:
I guess I would be bilingual because I grew up
in AZ but lived here in okie land for 7 years now.Tanks,ponds,creek,crick,clip,magizine it's
all the same to me now.But I still make a stand.
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Posted by JoeF (Member # 228) on February 05, 2010, 07:03 PM:
Ph, it is the sacrifices of families like yours that afford us the luxury of bantering over such mundane issues. From my viewpoint it is not ignored, unappreciated, or forgotten.
As a Missourian, I've always been caught in the middle of this dialect dilemma. Like the song says - "clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right...."
"Tars" may stick to your shoe, kill dinosaurs. or provide traction.
"Far" may keep you warm at night or be way the heck over yonder.
"Down by the creek" or "down by the crick", either way, you better know "witch" way to go.
Sodas where I came from, but travel a bit and it is a soda pop, a simple pop, a coke, or a bit farther south and it is a Co-Cola. Some folks even call them sodies.
Heaven help you if your momma had to take that "warsh rag" to your face.
If I was wordy I'd tell a story that a late buddy used to tell/demonstrate with the M1 en bloc mag. I'll save that for another day.
Speaking of which, I grew up calling magazines clips, but that is one I can give on easily. A guy can only take so many internet beatings.....
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on February 05, 2010, 07:06 PM:
Crazier than a boar coon is how I've heard that one, Loco, but I've seen, called, and killed a few sows that were just as bad or worse, as well as "...worthless as tits on a boar hog" or "he's worthless as tits on a snake".
Now, my son's English teacher found out through channels that I made part of my living writing and, during a conference, she asked me if I would be interested in speaking to her class on the importance of learning and using proper English if you ever plan to do any writing. I told her I would, but that I don't write in English. When she asked me what language I write in, I told her, "American, there's a difference." My readers are both-feet-on-the-ground type of hicks, rednecks, hunters and trappers. They don't speak the King's English and don't like reading it either. A guy has to write to his audience. I bet that Gerry will back me on that one.
This is a good thread, and funny, too. What are a few other local sayings that you might not hear elsewhere? One ofm my favorites which always makes me laugh is when one of the kids says, "I wish..." and you interrupt them and say, "Well, shit in one hand and wish in the other and see which one fills up first." when you ain't got no money to buy them "crap" at WalMart, or when someone is really nit picking in a discussion and you tell them, "Well, aint that all about separatin' the fly shit from the pepper now." Not likely regional or local, but you still appreciate the sentiment.
Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on February 05, 2010, 07:16 PM:
3 Toes,
Beein' from Nebraska originally, I at least understand, and appreciate your use of correct English. Hell, anybody in their right mind knows what a Crick is. Only those green horns from the City calls em Creeks. LOL
Posted by predatorhunter (Member # 3559) on February 05, 2010, 07:47 PM:
3 toes, yonder is just right over thar!
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 05, 2010, 07:49 PM:
I jumped two coyotes the other day in a oxbow and got one, the other got behind a pivot and could'nt get a shot..
Posted by predatorhunter (Member # 3559) on February 05, 2010, 07:56 PM:
cdog eome folkes around here say "I ain't seen u in a coons age". Not sure how long that is but, I can sure tell you what a woopin means; got my share growing-up!
Posted by 32below (Member # 2075) on February 05, 2010, 07:57 PM:
Crazier ‘n a pet coon
Nervous as a long tail cat in a room full of rockin’ chairs
Over yonder by the crook in the crick
Don’t ya just love the regional dialects?
I do know proper English but being a transplanted Okie I make sure to continue the practice of Okieisms just to annoy the locals, especially those that have some kind of superiority complex that causes them heart burn to listen to someone else butcher their version of proper English.
As I tell one of the ladies in the office when she starts hyperventilating about some problem: Take a deep breath, take a step back and you will have a more harmonious outcome.
We are, each and every one of us, different…….thank God!
Posted by predatorhunter (Member # 3559) on February 05, 2010, 08:00 PM:
on my last post I ment to say some folks but, hit the wrong keys. oops!!
Posted by predatorhunter (Member # 3559) on February 05, 2010, 08:15 PM:
Ever heard 'sweatin like a whore in church' or,'that will make your babies be born naked'?
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on February 05, 2010, 08:17 PM:
Anybody mention "Dreckly"?
I never knew what that word really was till I was an adult,I think it means directly?
Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on February 05, 2010, 08:36 PM:
To a gun guy, hearing the word "clip" used in place of the correct term, "magazine", would be the same as a cowhand hearing a city boy call a pen full of steers, "cows".
I can't figure out how, because you grew up hearing the incorrect term used during your youth,that now, as an adult, you would continue to use the incorrect term?
Same goes for those that call Leupold scopes, "leo-pold", christ, you can call the company and ask, how do you pronounce the company name? When I hear a guy pronounce it "Leopold" I could scream, drives me absolutely mad....same guy would get pissed if I continuously mispronounced his last name, and most likey correct me.
The other one is the rifle manufacturer Sako, the correct pronunciation being "Sock-o". Everytime I hear a guy pronounce it Say-co, I ask him how they pronounce taco? Ive not once heard a guy say it's pronounced "tay-co", but when asked how they come up with say-co instead of sock-o, they don't get it?
Regional differences in what words mean is one thing, but as to the pronunciation of words, there is right,and there is wrong, it's not a matter of what we think sounds right, or how our daddys pronounced them....there's the right way or the wrong way .
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on February 05, 2010, 08:40 PM:
Never heard of "crazier than a pet coon" but hear "had to shit like a pet coon" often enough. Never really seen a pet coon before though...
My aunt used to say every girl I brung home was cuter than a bugs ear. Never knew what she meant.
TA I know what a pivot is but what is an oxbow?
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 05, 2010, 08:49 PM:
You know whut? I can't git used to Socko, so SUE ME!
Posted by Locohead (Member # 15) on February 05, 2010, 09:00 PM:
"Crazier than a boar coon" is probably right Lance. LOL I heard it as a kid and all these years thought that it was "'born coon" as in "newborn coon"! LOL
Posted by Locohead (Member # 15) on February 05, 2010, 09:02 PM:
Actually, I thought it was pronounced, "Crazier'n a 'born coon"
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on February 05, 2010, 09:10 PM:
Leonard I agree, Sock-o just doesn't roll right and if taco was spelled tako it'd be pronounced just like Sako.
Posted by Locohead (Member # 15) on February 05, 2010, 09:43 PM:
LOL I guess I always thought it was Say-ko also. Always thought the scope was Leo-pold. I always thought the guys that say LoopHole are the weird ones. Joke's on me huh?
Brings up another interesting point. I can't tell you how many times I've learned new vocabulary (happens a lot if you read any Zane Grey) and I go to try out my new words only to find out I can't pronounce it. Some words you just read all the the time, understand and know how to use, but just can't pronounce it the right way.
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on February 06, 2010, 03:51 AM:
Watched true grit last night, it was full of these little word plays , love the way they speak in the Deadwood series as well. as a matter of fact John Wayne was the first person I heard in a movie use the phrase 'Too much gun' upon seeing a turkey killed by a sharps rifle.
Posted by 3 Toes (Member # 1327) on February 06, 2010, 05:16 AM:
Damn Vic, I think you need to go shoot some coyotees. But I have been corrected on the phone with customer service about Loo-pold. And I have a bunch of Say-co actions I built stuff with, but none of them have clips.
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on February 06, 2010, 06:31 AM:
Paul, I watched True Grit last night too. It had been MANY years since I last saw it. Gems like "Goodbye Nola, I hope the nail selling bastard makes you happy this time" had me smiling often. Been so long since I watched a movie, I kind of forgot just how good John Wayne really was!
Say-ko. I know it's wrong, but I say it that way anyway. Same with La-poo-a, that ain't nearly right either, but that's how I say it anyway.
- DAA
Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on February 06, 2010, 06:42 AM:
So now we got Dan as the spellin po-po and Vic as the sayin po-po. LMAO
I honestly could care less. I think the regional differences and the way people are raised learning different things is kinda kewl. If we all thought and talked exactly the same it would be boring as hell.
Just for the record. I have never heard anyone, period, around here call a sayko a socko. First time I heard any difference was on here a couple years ago when Vic was correcting someone. LMAO
Leopold, Loophold, who gives a shit. You will have more people understand what your talking aobut saying Leopold than Loophold. I guess unless your an official gun guy, it doesnt make much difference? Which brings a question. What constitutes a gun guy? I got a safe full of em and then some, but I use incorrect terms. I guess Im anti gun? Damn, and here all this time I thought I really liked guns. What a kick in the ass.
The whole yote, brush wolf, songdog, coyoteeee, etc.... thing is what bothers me the most. I usually just dont say anything and consider the source. There are exceptions, but you hear yote come out of someones mouth and most of the time its someone who has no friggin idea what they are talkin about.
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on February 06, 2010, 07:03 AM:
Let's not leave our friends with the greatest fishing lure ever invented out, either;
RAPALA !!!!!
(It's pronounced (Rap'-uh-luh)
Posted by JoeF (Member # 228) on February 06, 2010, 07:12 AM:
I just heard the "naked babies" thing over the radio for the first time ever yesterday, some management bonehead delivered what he thought was bad news over the air and the other guy responded with the naked babies thing. Pretty funny at the time.
"Sillier or crazier than a pet coon" is the way I always heard that one.
Leupold can be ciphered out pretty well just by lookin at the letters. Though you do have to make allowances due to one of my personal favorite sayings "What do you expect, I'm a product of the Missouri public school system?".
Sako as Sayco is easy to understand. How do you pronounce Mako, as in shark? Never heard a real live human being say it any other way. And does anybody really care (what time it is)?
Another of my personal favorites that I used to use all the time in my shirt and tie days when entering dangerous places like board rooms was "well guys, this is probably going to be about as popular as a whore in church, but..."
Sometimes the whore was popular, sometimes not...
How's about the word sabot. That one gets carved up pretty good often.
Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on February 06, 2010, 07:14 AM:
I watched True Grit last night too. After he takes a drink of whiskey,he says "That genuine double X rectified bust head, right there".
Where did this term "me thinks" come from, instead of I think? I always visualize a child speaking when I hear it.
How about the people who have to speak with a fake accent when they pronounce certain words such as Croissant
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on February 06, 2010, 09:18 AM:
TOm,
An oxbow is where a bend in the river is cut off when high water takes the direct route from one point to another, leaving a 'U' shaped area high and dry that looks like an Ox's yoke, called an oxbow. At least, in KS it is.
Posted by Lonny (Member # 19) on February 06, 2010, 09:52 AM:
Within the past year, on a couple occasions, I've heard "reticle" pronounced "retissle" and "wrectickle"
It might just be easier to use to go back to using the word "crosshair"(like my dad always did) when trying to explain what type of rectickle you use and like.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 06, 2010, 11:20 AM:
Al that coon stuff is completely new to me? Never heard any version.
But, right now, I know Vic means well, but I tell you what. If he drove up to certain campfires and started to correct our English, I'm afraid somebody would ask him what the hell his problem is? Everybody KNOWS it's SAY KO! But, I don't like LeApold, at all! It is, and has always been LEW Pold.
Clip denotes ignorance, for the most part. Nine times out of ten, what they are calling a clip is a magazine. The military sure straightens you out on that issue, real fast.
But, SOCKO? That's borderline silly.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on February 06, 2010, 11:24 AM:
Thanks Hootie I never figured that one out.
On the Sako thingy, once I asked to see a Socko (after I was all learned up on the sayin part) the clerk said "what?" I smiled and just said Say-ko and still do to this day. Figured I owned enough of em to pronounce it any way I liked.
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on February 06, 2010, 11:27 AM:
Oh and Rapala, I swear they changed the pronounciation on that one. I used to watch fishin shows with my Grandpa and they sure didn't say it like they do now.
Posted by Locohead (Member # 15) on February 06, 2010, 11:39 AM:
Tom,
That's funny; it reminds me of the time I read that Coues deer is actually to be pronounced "cows" deer. So the first time I tried it out with someone who'd actually hunted them, I was corrected. He told me they were what I'd always thought they were, "Cooz deer"
Not sure, but it seems like it was Clint maybe? Maybe no one here.
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Posted by Locohead (Member # 15) on February 06, 2010, 11:46 AM:
...and another one...It's pronounced Lance HoeMen - not HahMen like Top Raman...and I don't care what anyone says!
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on February 06, 2010, 12:00 PM:
Loco it is actually cows deer Trust me Clint doesnt read , write or speak english
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Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on February 06, 2010, 12:06 PM:
LB, I think you hit the whole clip thing in the head. Ive noticed a good number of folks that it matters if you say clip or mag to, either were in the military or were raised military. I guess in the military where you actually do use magazines and clips it matters. Out here in the private sector, does it really make a shit? I suppose my daddy was ignorant when he showed me how to put a clip (magazine) in my first rifle and told me what it was. Now Im gonna make damn sure I call them clips just cause I know it trips some triggers. LMAO
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 06, 2010, 12:08 PM:
So, where is the battle raging over Homan? I know for a fact that even he isn't sure how to pronounce it. But, I did learn something from him today, never knew what the hell an oxbow was? Some day, I'll win a lot of money on cash cab with that bit of trivia.
Posted by Locohead (Member # 15) on February 06, 2010, 12:19 PM:
No battle being raged, just me poking fun at our famous author.
One time I was visiting Lance in person and he was telling me how crazy it makes him when people call him Lance HoeMann when any dummy ought to know its pronounced HahMan. I laughed and told him that all this time I assumed his name was pronounced HoeMann.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 06, 2010, 12:31 PM:
What? That can't be right? That's worse than Socko and Lee o pold.
Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on February 06, 2010, 12:56 PM:
I agree with Loco, it gotta be HoeMan! I know a Ho when I see one. H0 Ho Ho.
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on February 06, 2010, 01:45 PM:
Hootie HoeMan, at least we're not picking on okies now
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 06, 2010, 02:43 PM:
What a crybaby!
Me personally, I don't pick on Okies, anymore. Texans are so much easier. If anybody picks on you Tom, I want you to submit a formal complaint and we will take appropriate action.
You guys hear that? Okies have enough problems without everybody ragging on them constantly!
Good hunting. LB
I know. They're cute when they're little, huh?
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on February 06, 2010, 03:09 PM:
I can take it LB.
Posted by Brad Norman (Member # 234) on February 06, 2010, 04:38 PM:
Thanks for the concern Leonard, but we can handle anything coming from you tea sippers. Now where did that one come from?
Cal did kill that badger dead and I threw my arm out chunking rocks down that damn tin horn.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 06, 2010, 05:05 PM:
That's another thing! You ever notice that silly pan handle on Oklahoma? Texas should go all the way up to Colorado, it's too confusing to have that itty bitty narrow section, it just looks weird. Let's have a vote!
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on February 06, 2010, 05:39 PM:
Believe me, in my younger days, I tried my damnest to be a ho man, but I never got good at it and never got much.
As to,
quote:
where is the battle raging over Homan?
It's Homman, not Homan. Admittedly, if there were just one "m", it would, in fact, be Hoe-mun, as I have met and know Homans. But, it is spelled in the good old Germanic Homman, with two "m's" and any good kraut knows that the vowel is generally short before two consonants.
and, 2) in all truth, in the Municipal Court of Abilene, Kansas, it very much is. Our local gestapo is trying to hang my son with his third moving violation in a year for supposedly driving through a stop sign back in December. The city attorney has repeatedly referred to my son mispronouncing both his first and last names even though he has processed my brother's reports from the Sheriff's Department for the past 28 years and knows my brother quite well. When my son asked me why he kept doing that, I told him it was a means of trying to intimidate him and throw him off plumb and disrupt his train of thought. I told him just to smile, and call him out by mispronouncing his name right back to him.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 06, 2010, 07:25 PM:
Homman,Homan,Holmen, Holman,Holmin,Hootie?????????
Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on February 06, 2010, 07:29 PM:
"That's another thing! You ever notice that silly pan handle on Oklahoma? Texas should go all the way up to Colorado, it's too confusing to have that itty bitty narrow section, it just looks weird."
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Ahhh shucks, let's just call it an Oxbow incident.
Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on February 06, 2010, 10:27 PM:
Leonard; I wouldn't shuffle into a camp and sit around the fire at night correcting guys, just listen and grin. This thread has been interesting and I only tossed in my thoughts to keep with the spirit of the thread.
Proper names are just that, one either pronounces them correctly or incorrectly, doesn't make a shit of difference what part of the country your from. If a guy refuses to do so after being educated as to the proper pronunciation, they are no longer ignorant,just hard headed I suppose?
Andy had it right when he stated "There are exceptions, but you hear yote come out of someones mouth and most of the time its someone who has no friggin idea what they are talkin about".
You could substitute the word yote with: "Lee-a-pold" or "clip" when they mean magazine, or "shells" or "bullets" when they mean cartridges,or "horns" when they mean antlers....on and on.
Posted by Kelly Jackson (Member # 977) on February 08, 2010, 06:21 AM:
I fished an Oxbow this weekend...should have went coyote hunting...
Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on February 08, 2010, 07:12 AM:
Its ok to pick on Okies. Hell, we do it all the time.
You know how to get from MO to TX? Go southwest til you smell cowshit, thats OK. Then turn south til you step in it. Your in TX.
BWAAAAHAAAHAAA
Actually, I like OK. Grand was one of my favorite lakes when I was fishin alot of tournaments. Fished like a mini Lake of the Ozarks, a little bit of deep clear near the dam and good dirty rivers to flip in. Love flippin the willow trees when it floods too.
I got quite a bit of family around Lawton and Medicine Park. They are always inviting me down to hog hunt. Gonna have to take them up on it sometime.
Posted by R.Shaw (Member # 73) on February 08, 2010, 08:22 AM:
And to get from Missouri to Arkansas you just head south until you start feeling stupid. Keep on going and when you feel like having sex with your cousin, you're there.
Randy
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 08, 2010, 08:35 AM:
Well, shit! I guess I'm there too?
Posted by CrossJ (Member # 884) on February 08, 2010, 11:30 AM:
Everyone picks on Okies. When you're at the top of the heep.....everyones gunning for you!!!!
Maintain
Posted by mifox (Member # 721) on February 09, 2010, 01:20 PM:
On the original question, I refer to the location I call from a "stand."
"The whole yote, brush wolf, songdog, coyoteeee, etc.... thing is what bothers me the most. I usually just dont say anything and consider the source. There are exceptions, but you hear yote come out of someones mouth and most of the time its someone who has no friggin idea what they are talkin about."
Calling a coyote a "dog" is annoying at best. Some dude wanting to sound cool must have started that one. Coyotes aren't dogs (unless you believe in evolution) and dogs aren't coyotes.
Posted by predatorhunter (Member # 3559) on February 17, 2010, 09:24 AM:
their scientific name is Canis Latrans,meaning 'Barking Dog';so technically they are dogs.I know because I looked it up on the internet that Al Gore invented!
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on February 17, 2010, 11:43 AM:
Actually, I think that it's 'Canis Latrans Say' after Thomas Say, who said "Say, there's a Canis-yotee Latra-yodelsongdog. Since he didn't know how to pronounce that in Latin, it was shortened to it's present form.
That's a true story; ask Leonard...............he was there when it happened.
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