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Posted by CatTracker (Member # 3526) on November 30, 2009, 08:48 AM:
 
My area seems to be getting more pressure this year and not seeing the numbers of years past but did manage to lay down a couple last week. A couple older dogs...





[ November 30, 2009, 04:54 PM: Message edited by: CatTracker ]
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on November 30, 2009, 08:55 AM:
 
Welcome to The New Huntmasters, CatTracker.
Glad to have you on board.

Thanks for sharing the pics. That looks like good country.

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on November 30, 2009, 10:27 AM:
 
Test

Hey Leonard, isn't that rifle just like the one you were holding at the camp-out???
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on November 30, 2009, 11:12 AM:
 
Hospitality influenced me to not comment on the black gun, koko. Also. If it's good enough for AR SHAW , it's good enough for anybody, right?

Shouldn't you be decorating your mancave instead of messing w/me?

I'll have you know, I actually killed a few coyotes with an AR, one day. Mebe I will tell you about it sometime.

Pay no attention, CatTracker.

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on November 30, 2009, 11:26 AM:
 
Actually, it's raining here in Paradise, so I'm trying to learn my way around this new 'puter with strong words & soon to be, stronger drink. Life was a whole lot simpler with WebTV, but the porn graphics have improved.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on November 30, 2009, 01:29 PM:
 
I laughed at Higgins when he had webtv. I figured you (also) would learn...eventually, but it's been a long haul.

Makes sense, it rained here a couple days ago, so your rain was scheduled. Njoy!

Good hunting. LB

Any toonder n lightnig?
 

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Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on November 30, 2009, 01:43 PM:
 
Kokopelli,
Leonard has a secret love for those black rifles, but don't tell him where you heard those words.
 

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Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on November 30, 2009, 01:47 PM:
 
CatTracker ,
Beautiful country you have there. Nice coyotes too. A man can't beat that combination. I look forward to seeing more of your photo's.
 

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Posted by CatTracker (Member # 3526) on November 30, 2009, 03:09 PM:
 
Didn't realize I misspelled knock 'till I went back and looked at my post... What's the inside joke on black rifles? I didn't think much of them until I built mine from scratch and found it to be the most accurate rifle I own. I have a safe full of traditional hunting rifles but they don't get the work out as of late. Love my Evil Black Rifle!

[ November 30, 2009, 04:53 PM: Message edited by: CatTracker ]
 

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Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on November 30, 2009, 04:31 PM:
 
That kind of country just screams "coyotes". Good pics and nice looking coyotes.
 

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Posted by JoeF (Member # 228) on November 30, 2009, 05:17 PM:
 
I really like the terrain in the 2nd pic. What altitude?

I had one of them black rifles back before they were fashionable, then sold it for about 4x its' original purchase price when things got way stupid. Smiled all the way to the bank, but I do have to admit that I kinda miss that rifle.
 

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Posted by Locohead (Member # 15) on November 30, 2009, 05:40 PM:
 
I third it! Great looking country. I love that really cut up ground without all the thick cactus.

I know I've been rambling on about Dubois, WY a lot lately, there was a lot of country that looked like that! I'm dying to make the trip and try it.

[ November 30, 2009, 05:42 PM: Message edited by: Locohead ]
 

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Posted by TRnCO (Member # 690) on November 30, 2009, 06:34 PM:
 
CatTracker, don't worry about the grief some of these old timers give ya about your "evil BR", they're just old traditionalists that prefer wood over functionality! Some old dogs can't be learned new tricks!
 

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Posted by CatTracker (Member # 3526) on November 30, 2009, 08:49 PM:
 
Thanks for the compliments guys! My terrain varies quite a lot. Some areas are thick cholla cactus with sage/pinon mixed while others are more open.

JoeF:I believe my altitude is somewhere between 6500-7500'.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on November 30, 2009, 11:48 PM:
 
The (very old) joke is that the site Administrator here is not particularly fond of AR type gear. I can see how it would be confusing to a new guy, but it's nothing personal. But, we get a lot of back and forth ribbing about the subject.

Good hunting. LB

[ January 25, 2011, 10:34 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on December 01, 2009, 05:36 AM:
 
He doesn't like us "machinegunners" but he tolerates us and lets us get by with a little bit of ribbing.

That is good looking country.
 

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Posted by Kelly Jackson (Member # 977) on December 01, 2009, 12:26 PM:
 
Tom,
There is still hope for LB. At the campout he was seen and even photographed fondling and pulling the triggers on not one, but three different AR’s.
Coarse this was on Saturday afternoon after he had spent all day Friday hunting with AR.
Who know what guns they were using when all by themselves…..?
Kelly
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 01, 2009, 02:00 PM:
 
I only hope that God does not strike you dead, Mr Jackson. What an outragious falsehood!

I used an AR one week end many years ago. I still am bothered by the trauma, prob should seek therapy, but what the hey? I think I killed two, maybe three coyotes with the evil gun? I don't recall either of them as bang/flop, but they WERE hit with the first shot. Just a little detail that they wouldn't stay down, requiring that valuable second, third and fourth shot, aimed at a spinning ball of fur. He's down...no, he's up, down, no wait a minute, he's getting up...where's the vitals? Oh well, center of mass should be good enough, right? And then he looked like he was killed by a posse. I kid you not; not a pretty sight, and I still can't get the scene and the carnage out of my mind. Brutal stuff, but hey, it was just a 223 with handloads, hardly enough for a tough criter like southwest coyotes.

Come on people, leave me alone! You know I run my electronic mouth about such things. Be polite to the new guy, have a heart!

Can we talk about something less controversial, like seventeen caliber, or Foxpro versus WT?

Good hunting. LB

PS, I think my problem was the triangle forearm? You guys probably never seen what I'm talking about, but they existed, in the early days. Not very cool looking, that's for sure.
 

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Posted by CatTracker (Member # 3526) on December 01, 2009, 03:01 PM:
 
The newer polymer tipped bullets (60gr V-Max) running along at 3200 fps puts them down the vast majority of the time the first time. Bullet technology has made marginal calibers much more capable in recent times than days of yore. The .223 Remington is not as devastating as the old 22-250 for sure but good enough for my work (dead is still dead). I'm not going to change anyone's mind so each to their own. In the mean time, that grin on my face will only get bigger each time I squeeze my trigger! touché
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on December 01, 2009, 04:58 PM:
 
Ya, I used to own an old A1 with the triangle hand guards Leonard. Even killed a few critters with it.

Don't worry about the therapy, your state has banned real AR's and they'd throw you in jail if you sought therapy with a registered full auto. Course you guys can smoke pot so there's the trade off...
 

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Posted by Kelly Jackson (Member # 977) on December 01, 2009, 05:02 PM:
 
good one LB.

PS - I am sure that God still has a plan for me. I have given him many reasons to take me in the past and I am still here. A bit more humble than I used to be I might add.
Take care
Kelly
 

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Posted by Randy Roede (Member # 1273) on December 01, 2009, 07:24 PM:
 
Cat tracker, just imagine a silverback gorilla holding an AR!!
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 01, 2009, 08:10 PM:
 
I just remembered what happened to the third coyote. He went down, did a little fussing but I decided he was done and walked him up. That was my first mistake. He was licking his flank when I got close enough to see him and when he saw me, eyes wide as saucers, he got up and ran off like greased lightning. Two bounds and he was out of sight, never to be seen again. And, there I was, with a useless (& slung) machinegun. If I had had a reliable bolt gun, I'm sure, (first of all) he would have been dead, and dead coyotes don't run off very often. I've seen it happen, but it's rare. As anyone can see, I had ample reason to stack the machinegun in a cool dark place.

When Kelly handed me his black gun, asking me to check the trigger, it brought back a lot of stress; issues I had managed to suppress for many years. Thanks Kelly, I owe ya.

Good hunting. LB

[ December 01, 2009, 08:11 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on December 02, 2009, 05:49 AM:
 
Ya those bullets must behave differently coming out of an AR than they do out of a bolt gun.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 02, 2009, 08:13 AM:
 
Exactly! That's what I was thinking.

All kidding aside, they do. Just a bit here to operate the action, and then the shorter barrel, and the performance is not quite up there with a bolt gun. Or, is it? Maybe terminal velocity has nothing to do with bullet performance?

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by JoeF (Member # 228) on December 02, 2009, 06:43 PM:
 
I don't know much, but one thing I am sure of.... I'm gonna start to hang out at the PM board.

They now have a new (?) AR forum..... The first post title I read: "New toy I bought my wife".....

How can you compete with that?
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 02, 2009, 08:05 PM:
 
Speaking of PM. Remember the topic, What's your favorite song? You just have to figure, these guys are lonely, they want to belong, they want to hang around other MEN and talk men stuff. Wannabes. So, of course, they buy their wife an AR. Any woman would rather have an AR than a new dishwasher. Who's he kidding?

Good hunting. LB

You guys still like me, don't ya? I bought my wife a new gun!

edit: HM has an AR forum, you know?

[ December 02, 2009, 08:07 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on December 03, 2009, 03:01 AM:
 
LB "edit: HM has an AR forum, you know?"

Ya but noone here knows anything about them...
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 03, 2009, 10:57 AM:
 
What's the big deal? So I screen who gets in there. Is that a crime?

(excuse my twisted sense of humor)

I just think it's funny, all the AR folks clicking on that forum and being denied...lol! Don't worry, it's FAIR AND BALANCED, nobody has access. It's just a visual, like a decoy for cats, ya know?

Maybe, just maybe; it will make them stop and think!

Good hunting. LB

edit: I MAY let Shaw in, he's quite enthusiastic about machineguns, these days?

[ December 03, 2009, 10:59 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on December 03, 2009, 11:13 AM:
 

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I just think it's funny, all the AR folks clicking on that forum and being denied...lol! Don't worry, it's FAIR AND BALANCED, nobody has access. It's just a visual, like a decoy for cats, ya know?

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LMAO
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on December 03, 2009, 02:02 PM:
 
".......no one knows anything about them......"

Not true; An AR is an overpriced Mini 14 with a funny stock made by Mattel. It might be a bit more accurate though.

Lord, forgive me ect. ect. ect.
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on December 03, 2009, 03:59 PM:
 

 

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Posted by JoeF (Member # 228) on December 03, 2009, 05:05 PM:
 
I'm not dead yet - "New toy I bought my wife".....
caught my eye.
That's all I'm sayin.... What is all of this rifle talk mixed in with AR's?.... And toys?
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 03, 2009, 06:48 PM:
 
Oh! Those kind of toys? Totally over my head on that one!

Good hunting. LB (not quite dead, either)
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on December 07, 2009, 03:15 AM:
 
CatTracker, that's some beautiful country you have there. I envy you.

Leonard et al,

For some reason I can tolerate (or embrace) the use of AR's on predators and varmints. But I cannot warm up to the thought of using an AR platform on big game.

I don't know why....but the thought of taking a deer, elk, or sheep with an AR doesn't sit well with me.

To each his own though. And I will certainly support the rights of others to hunt as they please within legal means.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 07, 2009, 08:59 AM:
 
That's an interesting observation! It does jar the sensibilities, doesn't it? Kinda like a little voice inside that tells you something is wrong. When it kicks in, varies.

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by Kelly Jackson (Member # 977) on December 07, 2009, 09:38 AM:
 
25 WSSM upper took this buck a couple of weeks ago. One shot just over 250 yards thru the shoulders. 100gr Nosler fell out on the far side when I pull his hide.

AR's like bolt guns have to be the right caliber for the task.



Stay after them
Kelly
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 07, 2009, 09:49 AM:
 
Damn! That's a nice rack, Kelly.
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on December 07, 2009, 12:41 PM:
 
Yeah nice deer!
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on December 08, 2009, 10:18 AM:
 
Don't you feel guilty, killing him with an AR and all?

You guys crack me up, I suppose you're all blued and walnut gun guys too?

Life goes on...
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 08, 2009, 12:14 PM:
 
Scenario: You are pulled off to the side of the road, decked out in all your clean and pressed camo, get the AR out of the back and a mini van with a lady and three kids drives by. She speeds up a little and reaches for the cell phone, dials 911 and reports a suspicious charactor that looks like a terrorist with a very evil looking machinegun.

Check one:

1)never happen
2)possibility
3)likely
4)absolute certainty

edit: hope we haven't lost CatTracker with all this bullshit?

[ December 08, 2009, 12:17 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by CatTracker (Member # 3526) on December 08, 2009, 03:19 PM:
 

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edit: hope we haven't lost CatTracker with all this bullshit?

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Nah, I got thick skin, LMAO at all the banter... Wishing they would move the World Coyote Calling Championships further away from my killing grounds. Between that and all the other contests and wannabe predator hunters it sure gets tough finding uneducated critters to kill this time of year...arg!

[ December 08, 2009, 04:17 PM: Message edited by: CatTracker ]
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on December 08, 2009, 04:22 PM:
 
We all have our own personal preferences and opinions. That's the great thing about this country....having the freedom to make your own choices.

I am just glad we have the opportunity to own the type of rifles we want.
What you hunt with is your business, and as I said I may not agree with someone else's choice but I certainly will support your right to make your own choice.
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on December 08, 2009, 04:31 PM:
 
Leonard, "Scenario: You are pulled off to the side of the road, decked out in all your clean and pressed camo, get the AR out of the back and a mini van with a lady and three kids drives by. She speeds up a little and reaches for the cell phone, dials 911 and reports a suspicious charactor that looks like a terrorist with a very evil looking machinegun."

Heck here in Oklahoma, the soccer mom pulls over and says "you better not shoot my deer!" to which I reply "no ma'm I'm hunting coyotes" then she says "well then kill em all!"

The above was almost a true story but my camo was not pressed.

Gotta love Oklahoma and the bantering that goes back and forth. Nobody listens to me anyway.

And yes, I know I misspelled a few words.
 

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Posted by CatTracker (Member # 3526) on December 08, 2009, 04:43 PM:
 

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Scenario: You are pulled off to the side of the road, decked out in all your clean and pressed camo, get the AR out of the back and a mini van with a lady and three kids drives by. She speeds up a little and reaches for the cell phone, dials 911 and reports a suspicious charactor that looks like a terrorist with a very evil looking machinegun.

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