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posted November 13, 2008 04:28 PM
Here is a link that I think a few of you will find interesting. http://www.jaracal.com/
This is my friend Hein Funcks web sight from South Africa. He has a tremendous amount of night calling experience.
Good hunting.
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posted November 13, 2008 06:55 PM
I'll never make it to the dark continent to meet your friend, he sure has an interesting web site, thanks for sharing.
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posted November 13, 2008 07:17 PM
Yes it is a unique and interesting sight, but so is Hein. LOL I don’t know of anyone else that is as committed to predator calling as he is. To make a living by calling problem jackal and caracal is fascinating. It goes with out saying that he knows his stuff. LOL Oh ya, the man can shoot too. LOL
Good hunting.
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posted November 14, 2008 03:54 AM
Thanks for the link Q
very cool website!
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posted November 16, 2008 07:28 AM
Q. one of my ranchers had a young man who was from South Africa helping him on the ranch for the summer.
He worked on a ranch, I guess that is what they call it there, that raised sheep. He was very interested in what I was doing with coyote control and we had a very interesting visit on the prairie about the similarities.
What suprised me was that snares and traps were not used as much. Or a least from what i heard from this guy. I gave him a dozen of my snares to take back and use. A crash course in snaring crawl unders etc. on the prairie.
It sounded like they were about 20 years behind in trapping equipment etc. Sounded like those small bobcat like creatures were awful hard on sheep, and the fence crawl unders etc. for the jackals was a full time battle. The shear miles of fence he stated was overwhelming. Percentages of losses were astounding also. Wish I could remember exactly but it was very high compared to numbers here.
He really liked the WT and was an avid caller but again it seemed like they were a bit simpler in their way of doing things. Didn't sound like there was a lot of other callers anywhere but the guys working the ranch. It would be interesting to spend sometime there on a working ranch.
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posted November 16, 2008 09:57 AM
There are a few guys over there that I am aware of that are pretty sharp about trapping but not many. Two problems about trapping and snaring. First it is your access. South Africa I think is one large rock pile that somehow grows grass. LOL There are very few two tracks on any given ranch. Access is very limited if you plan on trapping out of a truck. The second problem is non-target animals. Fence snaring in most all areas is out all together. You will catch springhare, steenbok, duiker, cape fox, bat-eared fox, aardwolves, warthogs and African wild cats along with a few other critters before you catch a jackal. Lol Even if you do not catch some of these animals them and the rabbits will have you resetting all of your snares every day.
Trapping is nearly as bad but you can be much more target specific using footholds. There is no province or government funded ADC programs of any kind so the farmers are on their own. Driven hunts and some spotlighting use to be the go too method for killing jackal but once calling was introduced that all changed. Hein told me that the farmers use to brag about how far they have shot jackals before but now they like to brag about how close they got them in. LOL
Jackal and caracal are Africa’s version of our coyote and bobcat. The black back jackals are about 15% smaller than our western coyote and I would say that a mature Caracal, will on average, weigh more than our bobcats.
I haven’t been exposed to the trapping end of it in SA other than from Heins tracker Thabo. He does well but I think you are right about them being behind on trapping equipment and modern techniques. The techniques, equipment and opportunities are just not there for them. You also must remember that Gas, trucks, truck parts cost much more over there than they do here and there income is much lower than ours. .
Calling on the other hand is a different deal. Calling is 100% species specific and if the predators have not been harassed to much it will continue to be the most cost effective way to control losses. By reading on the Internet you know as well as anyone that people struggle with calling and here in America we have access to the latest and greatest hunting equipment on the planet. You can get much of the same equipment in the RSA also but it is an expensive and time-consuming process.
Hein has some very nice equipment but he also has to make do with what he has in some cases. As far as technique goes there is none better that I am aware of. In my situation I don’t do a lot of things that he does when calling because it is much easier for me to just move on and try to find more cooperative coyotes.
In Heins situation you have to look at it differently. When you are confined to one ranch and your income is determined on a per jackal/caracal basis I would have to change my ways or starve and it is that simple.
Good hunting.
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posted November 16, 2008 10:28 AM
Yeah, in some ways, your buddy is much to be envied. I would very much like to shoot the shit with him, some time. I read everything on his website, and agree with (like) 95% of it. It's that 5% that intrigues me.
I know that supressors are legal over there, don't know exactly how much it would assist in the hunt itself, but if hunting close to the farms, I suppose the multiples would be a little easier to come by, especially hunting alone, as he does.
One of the biggest disappointments when I was there with Lochi was in not getting a caracal. His buddy Piet told me that he had killed about 40 leopards. He has the game meat concession at Krugger National Park, culled animals.
Now, if I could set up a decent hunting rig over there, I'm sure the jackals would love to cooperate. For Lochi, he does the best he can, but his vehicle is a far cry from a California Rig.
Good hunting. LB
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posted November 16, 2008 01:06 PM
The biggest benefit of suppressors is because you do not need ear protection when you use them. There are electric earmuffs that will enhance your hearing and cut off when the sound reaches a certain decibel. These are nice but there failing is that they are non-directional. In other words you can hear well and protect your hearing well but when you hear the jackals howl you do not know what direction they are coming from. For the way that Hein calls you need to know where the jackal are because if they are down wind he will not call to them until he can work around and get up a favorable wind. That I think is the primary reason they like to use suppressors over there.
I agree that a good California rig would be a beautiful fit in South Africa. I think Hein and others like the chair set up to suit their individual needs. Hein may have a farmer or a black driving for him but that is usually it. The scope mounted light and the ability to easily and continually spin with out tangling up cords is a tremendous help when you are hunting alone.
Hein has just finished writing a book on calling the Black Back jackal and Caracal. I will not have my hands on it until next Friday. It has not hit the shelves yet but I am getting a sneak peak via e-mail. I am not sure how a book of this kind would sell in the US but I am sure there will be some available in the future.
Good hunting.
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posted November 30, 2008 12:37 PM
Q - I just joined like Leonard said and thanks for the introduction, I think. I read through some of the stuff and find it really interesting.
Hi Leonard
LB “I would very much like to shoot the shit with him, some time.”
Only found this site now that Quinton has mention it and the feeling is mutual. I see you have hunted with Lochi and it is a pity you did not get the caracal. Just to make you jealous this German client shot the biggest cat I have ever seen on a hunt I guided in May this year. The guy is 6 feet tall. He shot 3 jackal and 2 caracal in 4 nights hunting, could have many more jackal but he was unfamiliar with night hunting techniques.
The caracal population is on the increase as more and more game ranches pop-up. So you might get lucky next time you come over.
LB “I know that supressors are legal over there, don't know exactly how much it would assist in the hunt itself, but if hunting close to the farms, I suppose the multiples would be a little easier to come by, especially hunting alone, as he does”.
The supressor is only used to protect my own ears. I have hunted with a 25-06, fitted with a mussle-brake and can’t say that I have had more success now. It does help with a bit of a breeze. Then the jackal does not know from which direction the shot came. Ditto on Q’s last remarks.
Hi Randy Roede
RR “Percentages of losses were astounding also. Wish I could remember exactly but it was very high compared to numbers here”
Yes losses can run as high as 40% in some cases but the average is about 20%. I found very few ranchers who know the real numbers on predation. They only start counting the losses after they docked the sheep. The losses before that are not counted and I know that most of the losses will actually occur in that timeframe. I worked for a guy that owned about 20 000 head of sheep and his losses were about 1500 – 2500 lambs a season. I wanted to work on a full time contract but he did not want to make the initial money outlay. ![[Confused]](confused.gif) I know the predation can be brought to less than 2% if you work the place over for a period of two to three years. Big place, about 175 000 acres. They contracted me for a week at a time just to hit the problem areas. So there is always an influx of new jackals to the area. Being paid by the numbered killed, I did not really mind ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) although I did mention the fact to him. H
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posted November 30, 2008 01:34 PM
Welcome to The New Huntmasters, hein. Glad to have you on board.
That's a nice cat. He can take it home and we can't, is that how it works?
Good hunting. LB
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posted November 30, 2008 08:07 PM
Thanks Leonard
Nope, what you shoot you can take home. No problem, but with cats there is a bit of luck involved. Some are to dumb, unpredictable, don't care or just to lazy to react to a call. That is why I love K9's.
Take care and good hunting.
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posted December 01, 2008 09:44 AM
Okay, thanks, Hein. I was thinking of CITES, I assumed there was some restriction on importation?
Okay, here is my compiled list of quotes from your website that I found interesting, curious or mildly disagreed.
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One can call at a maximum of two stands in the morning and one in the afternoon. You will be able to make 5-6 stands per night.
Well, in this case, methods vary quite a bit depending on motivation. For maximum yield, I think short stands are most productive, seven minutes daylight, and twelve minutes night hunting. In cat areas, whatever seems reasonable, 30 minutes, 60 minutes perhaps, but I have killed a number of cats that came in eagarly, just like a coyote. I can get in at least six stands in a morning and (easily) twenty in a whole night of hunting.
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I like to go out when there is a light breeze of no more than 15 km/h and some moonlight.
I do not say that it cannot be done, but moonlight is an enemy of night hunting, especially when back lit, if there is low cover. Otherwise, as you said, break the outline by parking next to a tree. It won't help much if the animal appears from the left or right, but if he is directly in front of you, it is the best solution to hunting under moonlight. Strictly recreationally, I much prefer hunting under a dark moon.
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You do not want to move more than 2,3 km from the previous stand.
Over here, this is often debatable. It depends on length of previous stand and how loud the calling and if there is heavy cover and perhaps even wind velocity? In some cases, moving a quarter mile is smart, if there are a lot of animals in the area. In other cases, I like to move beyond the range of the caller, like at least a half mile, but in more open country, more like a mile between stands, all things being equal.
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The best time to go calling is a day or two before a storm, presumably because they realize that they will not be able to hunt for a while.
In my experience, this is not consistantly productive, at all. Sometimes yes and often times, no. Sporatic, four hours of activity and ten hours of dead time. The reverse, however, is that I have a lot of confidence in hunting right after a weatherfront moves through an area. (edit) barometric pressure: I think a falling barometer is unpredictable, but the high pressure following a storm is a stimulation on the predator.
So, don't look at my observations as picking a fight or oneupsmanship, I am just interested in clarification and the chance to learn similarities and differences in what works for you versus what I see. In fact, your presentation is very understandable and helpful and I can't criticize any part of it, since it obviously works for you.
Good hunting. LB
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posted December 01, 2008 04:29 PM
Hello, Hein, Welcome! Hope to see lots of pictures from your hunts. Those caracal are mighty gorgeous looking critters!!! Hope to see you around often! ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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posted December 01, 2008 04:36 PM
Hi Leonard, thanks for the questions and sorry that the answer is so long.
Caracals are on cites 2. So I get the permit you shoot it, you take it home. Cites 1(leopard etc.) you need to get the permit from your F&W first then I apply for the permit. I do not get the permit to long a story - Keep to cites 2.
Calling times:
All the information on the website should be seen out of an ADC viewpoint, where people are sheep ranching and we have fewer predators than in other areas. Jackals and caracals only start to move late afternoon and go and hide early mornings. If you move more north in our country, or to other areas where there are a lot of game ranches and cattle ranches you should be able to call them more often during the day. Secondly we do not have the adverse weather conditions you guys have. Hardly any snow or prolonged bad weather systems. It is hot and dry in the summer and even in winter it is fairly mild. Food is in abundance and no need for them to stay out to long to get fed. Jackals will not touch a road kill in most sheep ranching areas and they do not even come back to a lamb kill. They kill a new one every time.
The time spend on stands will vary, depending what your objective is. I have hunted areas where jackals are so thick that spending more than seven minutes on a stand is a waste of time. Your chance of getting into new ones on the next stand is greater that calling ones in from far. In ADC we do not have that privilege, you might have to search for only one. If I hear a jackal I usually work that jackal till it is killed or it disappeared. I have spend 7 hours just to kill one female, got her male at 20h00 and shot her eventually at 03h00. I have spend many a time 2-3 hours on a jackal. Going after the clever ones you need time, but it is in situations like that, you get to know their behaviors and how to outsmart them. I teach a lot of ranchers and because jackals are so few and far between they need to do their groundwork before going out. Getting to know where the territories are is very important. That can be difficult at times, but once you have the spot you need to spend time there. No need to go elsewhere they are there you just need to get them in. By spending that much time on a stand you will usually call any interested jackal within a mile. I have seen jackals coming in from about a mile out.(saw their tracks in the two track we came in when we left the area the same way out. Interesting what a GPS can show you, now I can’t work without the damn thing. I plot every stand and make a mental note how far from the previous stand I picked up jackals either coming in or responding vocally. How far the human (not hunter) ear can hear a howl is also debatable (a lot of variables playing a role), but I have found that it is hard to hear a jackal further than 1.6 km (just under a mile). Most people think because they can hear dogs barking a 2-3 miles out you will be able to hear a jackal that far too. I can count on my one hand the jackals that were further than 1 mile. All others were, shot or shot at, within that radius of just under a mile. I found most of them around the ¾ of a mile mark. By moving further than 2.3 km you will move outside that radius to be able to hear jackal if you have indeed moved passed them.
Moonlight:
I now hunt from about 5 days after full moon to about half moon (7 days before full moon.) (have to rest as well you know) If there is a lot of cover I have had tremendous success even on full moon. You do feel vulnerable out there seeing almost everything with the naked eye and thinking man what am I doing out here. But pure workload pressure made us work on moonlit nights. I think we were as surprised as most people on the success. I have seen many old, cunning and educated jackals that got shot in moonlight nights that we could not get on dark moon. Might be something with the light intensity not so bright on a full moon night. I have the best reaction 3 to 7 days after new moon (dark moon). That is when there is only a bit of light till about 23h00. After that dark again. It seems like they like to move a lot with the bit of moonlight available to them. Sky lining is a huge problem that people do not think about and I like to use mountains as a back drop or any thing dark, like a line of trees or whatever. You do not have to stand next to them, just don’t be sky lined. If you can stand close to bushes and see over it, that makes it perfect. Place the remote in the open and you take cover in the bushes. The remote does make a huge difference. With moon light I like to place the e-call 100-120 yards away.
Weather:
Like I said we do not have that much adverse weather. We (3 man ADC team working together in an area) did make notes on how many were called and on what type of night, barometric pressure, wind speed, wind direction temp etc.etc. All I can remember now is that there were a little bit better reaction just before (1-2 days) the storm and just after the storm (1-2 days). But still there need to be jackals or predators. To many variables to contest with to really be scientific about it. Might also be that when we did the write-ups we were into thicker jackal population at that specific times. I will not argue any other findings. Some nights are unexplainable dead, no movement nothing, wish I had a cure for that.
Any more questions please shoot, I will gladly share my experience not that I’m PAK yet . Just got back from a hunt, too. Shot 5 jacks in two hours and then a thunder storm chased me home, shot 21 jacks and 3 caracal the last 3 and a half hunting nights. Pity I had all the fun alone. Had to change a flat in the storm too. ![[Mad]](mad.gif) All in all the hunt was better than the bad that happened. Had a chance to write this too. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Take care and good hunting
Hein
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posted December 01, 2008 04:50 PM
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Place the remote in the open and you take cover in the bushes. The remote does make a huge difference. With moon light I like to place the e-call 100-120 yards away.
Okay, now this is something Lochi was doing. He would walk out and put a decoy and the speaker quite a ways away from the vehicle.
I think I convinced him that the sound should be coming from the same place as where the spotlight is working? Otherwise, the jackal will be looking toward the sound and you might not see his eyes if he is some distance to the left or right. In other words, I prefer, (at night) to have the animal approach the vehicle rather than a remote caller.
Good hunting. LB
edit: forgot to mention; just walking out there, I think the sound of the footsteps and the possibility of spreading your scent further would discourage me from doing this? Plus, rattlesnakes at night, the less walking around in the bush, the better.
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posted December 01, 2008 04:54 PM
Hi Locohead
Thanks, I like to read the stuff the guys write. I am new to this writing and reading but it is as addictive as calling. ![[Frown]](frown.gif) Already getting the look from the missus, sitting with my back to her facing the computer all the time. ![[Embarrassed]](redface.gif) I’ll get some pics together and let you guys see the stuff.
Take care and good hunting
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posted December 01, 2008 05:16 PM
LB
I have seen posts that people like to put the remote right at their calling position. I have found that their eyes are visible from all angles. It is only when they passed you directly from behind ( if you are facing the remote) on the way to the call that you will not see the reflection. I have seen this on many occasions, we do not shoot bat-eared foxes and they will run right passed you. Only once they have passed, you loose the reflection. As long as there is a small angle you see the eye. Also I station myself a bit downwind and to the side of the call. Most jackal will move to the down-wind side so they will actually be moving right towards you, but their attention is at the source of the sound. They don’t seem to associate you with the sound.
I agree with you on the walking part, I drive to the spot to put the remote out. I have seen a jackal hit that scent trail and departed quicker than it came in.
Good hunting
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posted December 01, 2008 05:39 PM
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I am new to this writing and reading but it is as addictive as calling.
I knew as soon as you learned to read and write you would be dangerous. LOL
Just getting back to your e-mail now BTW I don’t think it would take much coaxing to get Leonard to come over and hunt Hein. Shoot him an e-mail and tell him about your new concession.
Good hunting.
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posted December 01, 2008 05:44 PM
Uhhhhh! Don't do that, Quinton!
But, yeah. That would be tempting. And, I don't even know what it is?
Good hunting. LB
Q, are you doing what Hein talks about, in Texas?
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posted December 01, 2008 05:48 PM
Is anybody else reading Heins posts with a South African accent in their head or is it just me.
Hein good stuff!!
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posted December 01, 2008 06:16 PM
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Is anybody else reading Heins posts with a South African accent in their head or is it just me
I was Randy, but I couldn't understand what he was saying. Kinda like Tim A with that Minnesooooota accent. LOL! Leonard, any chance we could get subtitles?
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posted December 01, 2008 06:22 PM
No Leonard in TX we use a much faster pace run and gun style. There are lots of predators and nearly unlimited hunting area. If the predators do not want to die within 10 minutes they will have to get in the back of the line. LOL But then again that is a recreational approach. If I were calling for ADC porpoises I would adopt more of Heins strategies and techniques.
We did find an area once that was heavy with fox sign but short on calling stands because of the steep terrain and thick cedars. We sat the caller down in a clearing and moved up the hill a ways and promptly called in a fox and got him. That is the only time we used it that I can think of. Joel H was the shooter on that stand.
When Hein sends you an e-mail I think you will find the deal very attractive. Also you will be hard pressed to find anyone in Africa more capable to find you a Caracal.
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Is anybody else reading Heins posts with a South African accent in their head or is it just me.
You guys are just insensitive bastards. LOL
Good hunting.
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posted December 01, 2008 06:24 PM
Geordie. You, of all people, should talk!
Hey, I caught that Okie game. Dang, just like high school, three downs and a score. Kickoff, three downs and another score!
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Good hunting. LB
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You guys are just insensitive bastards. LOL
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posted December 02, 2008 12:48 AM
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Is anybody else reading Heins posts with a South African accent in their head or is it just me.
I have to set my computer to American English in stead of African English. Just can't seem to find the correct button. LOL
Putting the remote call away from you
Just thought of something, but I might be wrong?
Light waves travel in straight lines, I do not think the eye lens can bend it, so if you have an 180º field of view, it means that any light that comes in, will also reflect on the retina from that angle. That is my assumption. But assume usually = ass out of u + me?
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posted December 02, 2008 12:02 PM
I was always told that you have to have the animal focused on the light to be able to see eyes reflecting. Now I know from experience that is just not true. I never once even considered putting the remote sound away from me at night. Then Quinton suggested it on a spot we wanted to call that wasn't very conducive to the "norm". Well what do you know? I say eyes the moment the fox topped the hill, the whole way as it made its way to 30 feet from the caller I had eyes, the whole time his eyes were facing the caller.
Before this, Quniton had suggested that I try it, but I always mumbled under my breathe that he must be full of crap. LOL Nope! It works and I have done it since then too.
Still, Leonard, you have a good point about walking out there, which is partly why I don't do it the majority of the time (that, and I'm just lazy and would rather stay in the truck LOL).
But, for those that have been told you can't see eyes unless the animal is looking directly at the light...you might try it before taking it as gospel.
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