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skoal
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posted July 24, 2008 10:02 AM
Does anyone know of a resource for this information,kinda state by state info.is this even available and how accurate could it be.
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Leonard
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posted July 24, 2008 11:16 AM
Whenever I have a question to ponder, I always ask myself; what does the Professor think?
Until then, I will give you an opinion, which is as good as any given by anybody in a position of authority (by the way) and that is; (believe it or not!) Arizona must have the highest population of predators, (especially ****** ) but because of human population dynamics, they are getting as smart as Kansas coyotes!
But do not be deceived, AZ has the cover and the cover holds a lot of coyotes. An argument could be made for some portions of some states, like Texas, but you have to look at that with some skepticism, BECAUSE the whole friggin' state is like a private sanctuary, hunting behind closed gates. If that would be the situation in Arizona; rather than a huge amount of wide open access to state trust land and BLM land, it would be very different.
Good hunting. LB
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Kokopelli
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posted July 24, 2008 02:09 PM
There is a somewhat dated publication put out by the folks at Pueblo Colorado titled "Indices of Western Coyote Populations" or something close to that. I don't have access to my books right now, but what you're looking for does exist. As I remember, it's pretty dry reading.
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skoal
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posted July 24, 2008 03:13 PM
Leonard
I know we have a lot of coyotes in Az. I was looking for some actual guesstimates by the officials that think they know like D.O.W. types
and other wildlife agencies ect.But we all know that nobodys got coyotes like s.w. tejas.
Koko
if you run across the info or source I'd be interested.People ask me how many coyotes in this state or that and I feel inadequate when I reply a whole friggin bunch. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Kokopelli
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posted July 24, 2008 04:32 PM
Not a problem. Remind me again in about a month when I get home. Or... mayhap Higgins has the same book & could get the order info for you.
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Cdog911
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posted July 24, 2008 05:50 PM
I would think that "accurate population estimates" would be nothing but a wild assed guess at best since there is no way to know, even remotely, how many coyotes are in any given area at any given time. Most all pop'n estimates are based upon relative changes from one year to the next, or one area to another based upon indices - a quantifiable measure that is used when the actual number cannot be counted and which is used to measure relative changes in levels. Having said that, figures from places like Texas and Arizona are no doubt more consistent from one year to the next then, say, Kansas, because in this country, land use practices are extremely dynamic. Any given parcel can be in row crops this year, then a year of bare dirt, set aside for the next two then damned if they didn't enroll it in CRP for the next decade. Our numbers ebb and flow due to those factors, plus any effects we might see from mange, etc.. I would imagine that the fluctuations in those dry southwest environs would be influenced by drought and the like, but still remain relatively constant.
The only index I rely upon hereabouts is my farmers and ranchers, by how many stop me on the street or uptown to tell me they saw X number of coyotes beyond their back gate this past week. So far this week, I've been caught three times: one saw five, one saw four, and the third saw eight.
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Cdog911
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posted July 24, 2008 05:52 PM
Hey Leonard,
I see that I've been transferred back to ****** . Why didn't anyone tell me? I wanna talk to my shop steward about this. Do you cover relocation expenses? I'll wait for the check before packing.
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DAA
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posted July 25, 2008 06:47 AM
I have read population estimates for both Utah and Nevada in several places over the years (Alcorn, APHIS docs etc.) The estimates for both states have always been "about" 100,000 coyotes.
Basically though, all these estimates are, is an extrapolation of an estimate for a small area. The estimates are based on poop counts, scent station visits, howling response etc. The "pros" mostly use the same technique for counting coyotes that we do, in othere words.
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skoal
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posted July 25, 2008 07:04 AM
Thats kind of what I figured they dont really know either. I was sure that any data was a best guess estimate. Those in the know talk about deer as if they've got a handle on the numbers, Just curious if any thing like that existed for coyotes. Guess I start counting tomorrow.I'll let you know on Monday the AZ. figures.LOL
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Kokopelli
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posted July 25, 2008 07:41 AM
Ok, this is the best that I can come up with right now. From the appendix to "Coyote Man" Alcorn / Boddicker;
U.S. Dept. of Interior. 1981 "Indices of Predator Abundance in the Western United States". Pocatello, Id: U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service, ADC. 103 pp.
Hope it helps.
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skoal
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posted July 25, 2008 07:55 AM
Thank you Sir. I really appreciate the reference material.
I'll look it up should save me a lotta walking.
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Steve Craig
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posted July 25, 2008 11:13 AM
DAA,
That is the figures I have always heard as well.
I believe that O'Gorman said about the same thing in his Hoofbeats of a Wolfer. I would be willing to bet AZ has at least twice that number, due to no trapping since 1994. Although there was a huge dieoff in 2001 due to parvo outbreak, that really knocked them back some. But, it doesnt take long for them to recover in a state like AZ.
We have the the basics they need to flurish.
Cover, water(most of the time), no trapping, and plenty of mule deer and antelope fawns each spring to raise those pups with. 10,000 to 20,000 breeding pairs each year with each pair killing 4 to 6 fawns.........you do the math and tell me why our mule deer and antelope numbers are at record lows.
And that dont even count the numbers of lions we have hammering them too!
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skoal
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posted July 25, 2008 11:24 AM
Steve
I actually saw an antelope fawn the last time I was up at my place in seligman first one I've seen in three years out there.They really get hammered.
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Randy Roede
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posted July 26, 2008 09:59 AM
We have an estimated poplation of 80,000, not sure when that was established? I would estimate that to be down 25 to 40 percent since the mange outbreak. How accurate?????????
Our antelope and deer herds are booming here in the 3 and half counties I cover, some predation, but all surveys are up. My cur will attest to the parental supervision of momma as he got his ass stomped by one the other morning.
You would think with the taller grass now allowing predators to approach closer undetected we may see a decline this year????
Rough long winters, disease, seem to be our major players here. I'm sure mother nature will crash the party sometime!!!
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TA17Rem
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posted July 26, 2008 10:04 AM
As i worked my way through the area i hunt i noticed the antelope numbers are up and it seems the coyotes as well... Maybe a good year for coyotes...
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