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Aznative
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posted February 24, 2008 01:47 PM
I'm having a dry spell and need any help you guys can offer.
First the story:
Last winter and the winter before that, I only got out once per winter season. On the first of these trips I discovered two of my best spots disappeared. One spot the farmer locked me out. Another was an orange grove that the farmer removed. Last winter I discovered another great spot has been taken by a land greedy city named Buckeye. I still have a few calling areas that are fair to middle, but are heavily pressured. I usually only get out three or four times a year.
This year, I've been out three times and skunked three times. All times were in new areas for me because I'm looking for some new honey holes. The ORV traffic busted three stands yesterday. One kid even stopped and started going towards my ecall before I told him to leave it alone. I think I spooked him since he hadn't seen me yet as I was in leaffy wear camo with an AR strung aroung my neck. BTW: this spot is 75 miles from the Tucson Az and about 120 miles from PHX. I thought I was out far enought.
Now for some new stratagies I've come up with. Also, all comments are appreciated along with any other ideas.
In other words HELP:
First, I need to hike away from even double tracks trails to get away from the quad traffic where ORVs are possibly running. This will be difficult to do while in a nice looking wash. BTW: a wash is a dry creek bed for you folks in wetter regions of the country. Out here, they are almost always dry and are fun as heck to run a quad up and down.
I really hate to say this, but I should look at maybe hunting the Reservations. The San Carlos and the Navajo have a small game license available, but I don't trust the resevations. I feel as comfortable going on ****** Reservations with guns as I would going to Mexico with guns.
Avoid calling during hunts that put alot of hunters afield like quail and javalina. That may have been one ORV that busted one stand yesterday. It is pig season.
That's what I come up with so far on my own. Any advice on calling stratgies, volume, stand selections and setup will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance
[ February 24, 2008, 03:43 PM: Message edited by: Aznative ]
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Kokopelli
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posted February 24, 2008 02:53 PM
Three words;
Scouting
Scouting
Scouting.
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Aznative
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posted February 24, 2008 03:53 PM
Kokopelli: I looked up where you live. That looks like great country. Living so close to 5 million people really messes things up. I know your suggestion is correct. I just don't get out enough to scout. It probably would also be wise to scout 1 hr before sunrise and 1 hr after sunset to listen for howling.
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posted February 24, 2008 04:37 PM
Yeah, we lost the entire Rainbow Valley to Buckeye. Maricopa, Eloy, Casa Grande are building housing developements on my calling areas also.
You need to drive down to McNeal, turn your caller on and locate a coyote 40 yards in front of your rifle. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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posted February 24, 2008 05:21 PM
Higgins, I have been requested to ban that word. You aren't helping!
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posted February 24, 2008 05:24 PM
I don't get the problem with 5 million people. Higgins calls 'em in the Projects.
Doesn't he? ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
WHich word? McNeal? I still have it in my "title/ job description" . Can it be changed to Abilene sector? I've never been to McNeal and Higgins is gonna have the place all shot out by everyone else by the time I ever get down there.
BTW, while on the subject of titles and job descriptions, can we use avatars here? If I'm gonna be a "cheerleader", I wanna use the picture I had the wife take of me today, just special for the occasion.
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Aznative
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posted February 24, 2008 06:09 PM
Rich H: I never knew where McNeal was until just now. Question: That is so close to the border that it makes me question how many legs your coyotes have. Two or Four? I know the two legged coyotes are very pletiful down there. If this is what you are doing, what sounds do you use. The sounds of deep frying burritos and of tortillas being patted out by hand. Also, the smell of a pot of steaming tomales would be a great cover sent.
BTW: I'm the guy that talked to you at the PVCI meeting who went to the North Kaibab for a couple of days by himself and called but didn't harvest a bobcat. When I told you I frequented this site, you asked me my screen name and I didn't know it. Turns out and Leonard commented that I probably have the record for the amount of time between joining and posting. I joined in Jan 2005 and my first post was Jan 2008. Also, I usually start the day off with mouth calls but switch over to electronics later in the day after getting discouraged and lazy. I then usually end the last two stands with mouth calls. Except when I'm by myself in the Kaibab. I don't like calling alone in great cougar country with mouth calls.
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Norm
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posted February 24, 2008 06:29 PM
I would say you are trying to hard to find that "honey hole"; If there are any in AZ, Dr Higgins has found them.
There are more coyote hunters in AZ, than coyotes; More atv drivers than hunters. You have to learn to adapt. There are alot of coyotes between here and Gila Bend or west of gila bend and north of I-8; go west on i_10 to Tonapah. North to Cottonwood. Ro0savelt lake area NE of town;
The other option is to quit hunting coyotes. Gas prices are out landish; fur is worth $15; Spend $200 in a weekend for 2 coyotes....
the coyotes are out there... pick and choose the areas... good luck
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Aznative
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posted February 24, 2008 06:36 PM
Looking at the map of McNeal Az I see Naco is nearby. I've been told in the past about the yote populations around there too from a friend of mine, Jim, that goes out metal detecting on a regualar basis. My friend just made his last trip down to Naco because of the immigration problem. He says at night the illegals gathered around his motorhome probably thinking he was their ride. They didn't cause any problems and he just stayed locked up in his motorhome until the border patrol showed up. He also said that everytime they moved the border patrol/national guard would come by and check on him because he was constantly setting off motion sensors. They finally said something to the effect that they couldn't force him, but would he please go somewhere else. He is also the reason why I won't bother to goto the SE deserts of AZ. He was down at Patton's training grounds metal detecting for several days and never heard a yote. I'll try back there in a year or two. About hunting down that close to the border alone: it doesn't bother me to hunt by day down there, but I don't think I would like camping out alone with all the human trafficing and such. By day I would be wearing 3D camo with an AR strung around my neck. All I need do say is AMIGRA and they would run like quail.
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posted February 24, 2008 06:41 PM
C-Dude; That picture is just wrong. I can only hope that my cat doesn't vomit on the carpet because I saw it. However, if you post it on Craig's List under 'services / erotic'...........
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Aznative
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posted February 24, 2008 06:57 PM
Norm: Buckeye has annexed much of the land south of the Lewis Prison. I'm trying to figure it out but Buckeye's maps suck on the internet. It looks like Buckeye annexed land 4 miles south of Patterson road. This took out some very good yote country. I just want you to be aware of this before you go too far north of Gila Bend.
Here is a link to Buckeye's annexation map. It is difficult to tell exactly where you can or cannot hunt but it gives you the general idea.
I'm not giving up yet, but with gas prices this high it would be a smart fiscal move.
http://www.buckeyedevelopment.com/uploads/why/Annexation%20Map%2012.2007.pdf
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posted February 24, 2008 07:47 PM
Naco, McNeal; All highly over-rated; AZ hunter doesn't hunt there. Tim doesn't hunt there... they go else where... Too many tourists in the area. I know of half a dozen coyote hunters that just moved into the area and the land is being posted faster than the speed of light..
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Leonard
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posted February 24, 2008 10:49 PM
Yeah, that's the truth. Stay away from ****** . Bullhead City is good.
It's fixed Lance. Any more complaints?
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posted February 25, 2008 04:12 AM
Apple Valley, California is a great destination. and there is alot of great calling country between here and there.
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Aznative
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posted February 25, 2008 06:04 AM
Leonard: On my original post that started this thread I tried to us a three letter abbreviation for *********** (Leonard: it did it again. The word is the last word we use when talking about Injun land when used with two words and it strarts with R. It also blew out the word that starts with I. Why don't you permit this word?)and it bleeped me out. Why?
I goto bullhead city to fish Mohave lake. To me it looks way too barren to produce good coyote numbers. I will one of these days goto the border regions to hunt. I use this sport also as an excuse to explore AZ. One thing an ole timer told me along time ago: get away from the city. He said there is an invisible circle around Phx that you must get beyond before you stand a good chance of calling. That was part of the problem when we started last weekend because we started at Flourence Junction. TOO CLOSE. That circle includes Cordes Junction, Wickenburg, Palo Verde,Casa Grande, Gila Bend, Coolige, and Superior. That's the circle as I see it. There are some spots that I have successfully called withing that circle but most of those areas will now get you arrested or busted by and ATV(especially on a weekend).
In 2009, they are going to start cracking down of ATVs big time. The Forest Service and the BLM are going to some type of uniform code of vehicle use. I'm hoping the new regs will greatly reduce numbers involved in this sport just like the three wheeler fad went by by back in the late 80s.
Norm: you are right about the number of coyote hunters out numbering coyotes in AZ. With the big game draw odds of getting drawn for a decent big game hunt so low, a man just has to kill something in between his big game hunts. The hunting opportunities are pretty sad. The deer and antelope populations are really in the tank. The elk seem to be fairing much better. Hopefully, this 12 year drought will end this year. With the rainfall we have had, Roosevelt Lake will fully fill for the first time since thay raised it. Hopefully, Powell will come up another 50 feet or more.
We will see.
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posted February 25, 2008 07:38 AM
I'm more than a little surprised to see someone in AZ. struggling to find a spot to hunt.
I suppose if you lived in the heart of Phoenix it might take two hours to drive past the sprawl..... so maybe I have to cancel my surprise....
Drive two hours + and don't park anywhere near any honeybee hives. The bees are not the problem, BTW.
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Leonard
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posted February 25, 2008 08:58 AM
I don't know, Az? There's........ a bug in the program and I have tried for years to remedy, with no luck. Sorry. LB
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Aznative
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posted February 25, 2008 09:38 AM
Thanks for the quick answer Leonard. I know, these computers are really great, but they have these bugs that simply drive us nuts trying to get them out of there.
JoeF: The problem is Phoenix is a huge metropolitan city today with actually four million people in Maricopa county alone. That doesn't include the folks that live in the east vally which is Pinal county. This time of year, the climate is very nice; and everyone is getting out to the desert on their quads and 4x4s. We saw two large groups/clubs of four wheelers getting ready to take off from the Flourence area Saturday morning while driving thru town so we decided to go down to Oracle to start calling. We were busted twice with ORVs while just west from San Manuel and Mammoth. Both of these towns are a good distance from both Phoenix and Tucson so we didn't expect this.
It was just a bad day, it happens sometimes.
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posted February 25, 2008 09:46 AM
JoeF: I must admit I didn't look at you post close enough. I thought the last line was your standard signature so now it begs the question. Why do you want to avoid honeybees? I would call next to a hive, but 100 yards away would seem ok.
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posted February 25, 2008 09:57 AM
AZ, just a poor attempt at an inside joke. There used to be some crazy moron that kept bees out in the desert a couple of hours away from Phoenix that would go absolutely ballistic if you were parked anywhere near some of his hives. He'll be real easy to recognize - long greasy yellow-ish/white hair. Cowboy hat, jeans, boots. Rectangular mouth that matches the outline of a Glock real well. Crazy bastard.
Truthfully, the guy is probably long gone. It was quite a few years ago when I had my run-in with him. Unless he has improved his technique or changed his approach I doubt that he has made it this long.
Just to be safe though, he was on the absolutely opposite side of Phoenix from ****** so it would probably be safer to hunt down there, just in case.
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posted February 25, 2008 10:28 AM
Oh dear! Another bug!
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Aznative
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posted February 25, 2008 11:32 AM
Thanks for the info JoeF. I do live on the other side of town from ****** , but I've never met a crazy bee keeper like that. They have no right to stop anybody if it is on public land. If they are leasing the site from the state trust land department, BLM or Forest service, they cannot stop you from hunting there. As a matter of respect I always stay at least 100 yds from the hives. Bees are one of the favorite food for quail. Find bee hives and you will probably find quail.
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posted February 25, 2008 12:09 PM
If'n your only getting out two or three times a year and hardly no scouting what can ya expect?
As far as hunting the border goes I get out there at least two or three times a week. I'll be damned if I'm going to let the illegals dictate where I'm going to hunt. If we don't call/hunt the border then we have lost the fight and the mexicans have won. I won't be run off by a bunch of illegals, nor should any other American. 
These are the areas you need to be hunting and calling in.
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posted February 25, 2008 04:10 PM
Noted Arthur??? LOL
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posted February 25, 2008 04:30 PM
Danny, I guess only you and me got the joke?
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