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Relentless
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posted January 17, 2008 10:54 AM
I've read in various places around the net that, "coyotes won't come to the call up hill."
After reading this, I an struck by what I don,t see, and that is a rebuttal of some sort.
Are there lots of guys out there who believe coyotes won't come/hunt up hill?
Could be, but maybe not around here.
Are those who have varying opinions just sitting on their elevated positions quietly snickering as they watch the coyotes coming up the draw?
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Leonard
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posted January 17, 2008 11:09 AM
Cripes. That's like "Cover scent won't work".
Either you heard it wrong, or somebody else repeated something they didn't understand?
Me personally. I have had many instances where A FRIGGIN' BOBCAT will not climb to your elevated position, but can easily be called down from a high mountain. Even this is widely misunderstood. Some people don't know what I mean, and some people do, but forget about rolling hills or varying terrain. A cat will do that stuff, no problem. And, for the most part, you will never see all the cats that won't climb up to your position because they ain't moving. At night, you do see them and you begin to understand what I'm talking about. It's just far easier to call a cat down, than attempting to call him up a steep incline.
So, whatever you heard about coyotes and hills is total bullshit, regardless of who said it or who didn't understand the message?
Good hunting. LB
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Leonard
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posted January 17, 2008 11:13 AM
So, do not set up a stand on the top of a mountain and think you will call a bobcat from the valley floor below you. You would do far better to set up on the base of said mountain and call those cats down to you. A bonus is that the cat that is already down there will also come in to your call.
Coyotes? That's the screwyest thing I have ever heard! LB
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Relentless
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posted January 17, 2008 11:33 AM
I figure you give a coyote enough time he'll learn to use ropes and pitons if necessary.--- Maybe not all that much time.
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posted January 17, 2008 12:45 PM
I agree with Leonard. I've called a few cats in my life, never called one up a steep hill. Personally, I think they are to lazy not to mention stupid.
Coyotes!!! I've killed a few of them too, they would come to your calling from the sky if they could fly.
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Leonard
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posted January 17, 2008 01:01 PM
Of course, it's not the end of the world, if you have a cat below you, that won't come a step closer. If you have the right gear, and know how to do it....you can walk him up, and get a fairly decent shot. But, don't tell anyone, they will probably get that screwed up, too?
Good hunting. LB
edit: PS, I want names. Who's saying this crap?
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Okanagan
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posted January 17, 2008 02:12 PM
Anecdote of coyotes coming uphill. I was hunting deer on the last day of the season with a crusty old wolfer who made me promise not to shoot at coyotes and scare the deer. No shooting at coyotes unless it was a sure thing shot. We both hunted fur.
From a valley road drop point I crossed a flat field, hit the steep and climbed through pine forest toward a ridge line half a mile above. It got light when I was about 200 yards up the hill, and through a hole in the trees I saw a pair of coyotes a quarter mile away in the field below. I kept climbing.
Up about 400 yards on the steep face, which was cliff in places, I came to a skinny lane of grass down the hill laid out like a custom made calling stand. Couldn't resist, so I sat down and blew the hand call. The coyotes disappeared but I could tell where they were by watching two horses in the field that pointed the coyotes like bird dogs.
Three coyotes burst into the bottom of the grass lane, 60 yards below me and stopped. I had the rifle over my knees, scope steady on one of the coyotes but decided, "Naw, its not a SURE thing shot."
The coyotes resumed their uphill run and spread out a little as they got inside of 40 feet. At 15 feet the lead one started to shy suddenly and caught a .30 165 grain. A second one stopped out about 30 feet to look back at its partner and took the second round. The third one never stopped and I never shot at it.
Good thing I had fur on my packboard when I met my partner on the end of the ridge about noon.
Those three coyotes ran and loped steep uphill for several hundred yards coming to a call.
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Leonard
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posted January 17, 2008 04:01 PM
Good story, Okanagan. But, where is that message board where this would be BIG NEWS ?
Good hunting. LB
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JD
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posted January 17, 2008 04:22 PM
Ha!! If it wasn`t for uphill coyotes I`d seldom shoot one, I like to be up where I can see.
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Lonny
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posted January 17, 2008 05:52 PM
It also depends on what a guy considers uphill. somebody from Kansas is going to have a whole different idea of what uphill is from somebody in the Rocky Mountain regions.
I know this topic came up awhile back and TA17 posted some pics of what he condsidered calling coyotes uphill. From my persepectiive of his pics, it would take a coyote less than 10 seconds to go up one of the hills at a lope and wasn't what I consider calling them uphill.
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Locohead
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posted January 17, 2008 06:48 PM
LOL Boy, this bit of gossip has really gotten Leonard going! LOL I'd love to get a name here from the perpetrater just to see what Leonard is gonna do to him!!! ![[Eek!]](eek.gif) ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Leonard
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posted January 17, 2008 06:56 PM
Yeah, don't be pushing the kid's buttons!
Danny, got your package today. Thanks for the thoughtful gift. I hope it shoots as good as it looks!
Good hunting. LB
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csmithers
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posted January 17, 2008 07:09 PM
Coyotes hate hills. All coyotes and all hills don't mix!
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Leonard
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posted January 17, 2008 07:36 PM
uh huh, and what you don't know, could fill a book.....
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Locohead
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posted January 17, 2008 07:38 PM
Glad you like it Leonard. Have you tried all 3 barrels? Its really amazing, each barrel feels about the same weight and swing very smoothly. Very well balanced!
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Leonard
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posted January 17, 2008 09:19 PM
I don't know how to thank you, Loco, but just for starters, your membership is paid up, this year!
Good hunting. LB
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Rich Higgins
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posted January 18, 2008 07:10 AM
Relentless, if you read that wisdom on the 'net it is obviously true.
I read on the 'net that you must set up with the wind in your face and the sun at your back. Because prevailing breezes here are out of the west I can only call in the early mornings.
If the breeze shifts 45 degrees or more, I have to quit and go home.
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Leonard
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posted January 18, 2008 09:40 AM
Thanks a lot, Higgins. This is how those legends get started. By tomorrow, someone will be repeating humorous and bogus info. If Higgins said it; it must be true?
I really should give you a time out, or take away your vowels!
Good hunting. LB
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Relentless
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posted January 18, 2008 10:24 AM
Ok, ok, I think the myth busters have pretty much put that one to bed and rightfully so, but that brings up a whole other set of questions.
We agree that coyotes will, in fact, respond up hill and for the most part bob cats won’t, Why not?
Is it because they’re lazy or stupid or a combination of the two?
If a cat lives in the mountains where there is precious little flat ground, he must be hunting side hill, and if he is at least smart enough to keep the sum at his back, he must be headed around the mountain pretty much in the same direction. Assuming that he has been doing this for millions of years, shouldn’t evolution have caused his legs on the down hill side to grow longer than his legs on the up hill side? Damn now here’s another problem. Look at a lynx. His back legs look longer than his front. Perfect for walking up hill.
Are lynx harder to call up hill or down? Damn, mass confusion.
I though this predator hunting was supposed to be easy.
And now the credibility of the inter net has been called into question. What’s happening?
I think I’ll grab my rifle and go hunting.
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Leonard
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posted January 18, 2008 11:35 AM
I got your email, Relent. Don't worry about pissing anyone off, and I don't delete (hardly) anything without serious and persistant provocation.
Okay, coyotes do, in fact, respond quite well, uphill. Regardless of whoever does or doesn't agree with me, I will stick my neck out and call bullshit. And, it's also true, as said Lonny, that (not to pick on poor Kansas) but some of these guys don't know what "uphill" is, actually.
Lynx, Lynx cats, and bobcats all are reluctant to climb a grade to approach a call. I'm trying to think of any lions I have called, possible exceptions, but maybe they will, come to think of it? However, gotta be the right sounds, in any case.
Never saw a lynx, (in the field) but cats are cats. They all like a position of height, observing the domain, during their rest periods.
I can tell you this much. During the summer, with young critters romping about, it is very common to see bobcats working the washes and drainages, where you don't expect to see them....speaking of western conditions, which is all I know about?
Good hunting. LB
PS, I'd like to see what Steve Craig thinks about lions climbing uphill? I think they are far more inclined than a bobcat?
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posted January 18, 2008 01:39 PM
What I don't know can fill a pamphlet or leaflet not a book. Come on give me more credit than that, DUDE!
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Leonard
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posted January 18, 2008 02:01 PM
Don't force me to put it to a vote, Dude! There's no shame in not knowing a whole lot. LB
edit: and coyotes, neither.
edit: I crack myself up, sometimes.
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posted January 18, 2008 04:16 PM
I don't everything about coyotes but I know enough to get me by. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
As far as knowing other things I will play you in a game of Trivial Pursuit anyday! And not the Silver Screen Edition... ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
edit: Dude!
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Cdog911
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posted January 18, 2008 07:16 PM
When I hunted the Rockies in Colorado with Higgins a couple years ago, there was a time or two that we were partway up the moutainside. Were we inadvertantly excluding half the cat population from responding to our calls? Or, not?
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Okanagan
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posted January 20, 2008 09:46 PM
In all seriousness, I'd like anybody's experience on calling cats uphill. Sometimes we can call on ground with moderate slopes and elevations, but a lot of our calling is in steep, big mountains. I've had some bobcats come uphill, but I have no idea how far they came.
The one in the pic below, where he stopped moving after the shot, was on a big mountain side. The slope in the photo goes downhill for at least 1/3 of a mile from this spot and uphill for more than a mile, topping out above timberline. I shot the cat on a small bench about 30 feet above where he's lying, and he came uphill onto the bench. But I have no idea how far he came uphill, or whether he came from above and looped below the call for the last bit of his approach. My experience on cougars and lynx is inconclusive. Lynx seem to like big flat plateaus and cougars seem to favor canyons and breaks.
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