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Cdog911
"There are some ideas so absurd only an intellectual could believe them."--George Orwell.
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posted August 08, 2007 01:35 PM
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Andy L
HI, I'M THE NEW MODERATOR OF THE CENTRAL MISSOURI FORUM, PULL MY FINGER!
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posted August 08, 2007 03:47 PM
Ok, Ill bite. What are we supposed to be lookin at Lance?
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JD
HONORARY OKIE .... and Tim's at fault!
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posted August 08, 2007 04:31 PM
Larry Hottmans farm, of course. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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What do Obama & TA17Rem have in common........both are clueless asshats!!!
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TRnCO
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posted August 08, 2007 05:10 PM
Must be Lance's vote for next years Huntmasters get together? ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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posted August 08, 2007 05:11 PM
What is the meaning of this member #7!? Some hairlipped prank?
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Andy L
HI, I'M THE NEW MODERATOR OF THE CENTRAL MISSOURI FORUM, PULL MY FINGER!
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posted August 08, 2007 05:17 PM
Oh yeah, thats old man Hottmans boy. I plumb forgot.
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Cdog911
"There are some ideas so absurd only an intellectual could believe them."--George Orwell.
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posted August 08, 2007 06:49 PM
Test
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Cdog911
"There are some ideas so absurd only an intellectual could believe them."--George Orwell.
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posted August 08, 2007 06:50 PM
I've tried to explain that pic five times and the board keeps rejecting my post sying that there are parenthesis in HTML. I don't even have HTML in my reply.
Therefore, forget the pic. It's a cool story and I could really use some input from you guys. But,...
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TRnCO
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posted August 08, 2007 07:27 PM
Oh yeah, I see it now. That mangy 'ol coyote that is in the green field just south east of the house. So how many times has it given ya the slip! Heck, I figure that he's out in the open during day light, or at least he was when this image was captured, so a pro like yourself should be able to handle him, it's an alpha male I think although at that range it can be difficult to tell sometimes, even for me. If ya can't handle him, surely one of the pampass know it alls around here should be able to help! Just need to ask!
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Cdog911
"There are some ideas so absurd only an intellectual could believe them."--George Orwell.
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posted August 08, 2007 07:48 PM
Ha! Ha! Smart ass!
Shortened last attempt, then I give up. Feel free to come up here and get them deadjucated, if you can. Bear in mind, though, that this is a story of three coyotes. Don't know which one is in charge, but I suspect it's the big brown one. Haven't been close enough to know if he's male, let alone if he's the alpha. But, he has run four mares through two different barbed wire fences, ran thirty head of black angus cattle to near exhaustion in sweltering heat, and killed a dozen farm cats. That last one isn't really a problem to me, but that's why we got the call.
Saw all three together twice. First night out there - no permissions, no guns. Then, again this morning at 6:10 a.m. at about 250 yards. When I hit the go button on the e-caller to bring them onto the ground where I had permission and through a screen of head-high grass, they took off like I'd lit their asses on fire. Talked smack with one of them twice this weekend but couldn't see them in the CRP - the only place we can get permission to hunt and which is bordered in yellow on that map, and on Sunday evening, I still hunted to within twenty feet of him trying to get into position to call where they lay up from the east, but he bolted on me in the tallgrass and was out of sight in two steps.
Turns out the guy that lives east of Larry's bought himself an e-caller. Has killed eight young ones. Bully for him. Things have gotten a bit tougher, so he locates them while on the job as a Blackhawk gunship pilot from Fort Riley (Army). They fly night maneuvers four nights a week and he routes his flight plans over his farm so he can use the night vision capabilities to spot coyotes, then when he gets home just after 3 a.m., he jumps on his ATV and chases them, shooting at them with rifles. Been doing that 4-5 times a week since spring and it pretty much explains why these coyotes are so damned jumpy.
Now, gubmint hunter, if you can suggest a way to counter the effects of these three coyotes being harassed several nights a week by the 6th Air Calvary, 1st Infantry Division's combat-hardened helo pilots in an area where the only place you can get permission to call consists of six-foot tall big bluestem, I'm all ears. I've been on top of them four times now and not gotten a decent shot before they bugged out. I didn't post text to go with the pic earlier because I had traps boiling and went out and made six sets tonight since Rambo isn't using traps on them. Yet. If I get ol' Brownie, I'll post hero shots for ya. Ya hear?
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TRnCO
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posted August 09, 2007 04:26 AM
Sheez, and I thought maybe you had a really tough calling situation! I don't see where the problem is. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
Traps do sound like a sample way out of it though! ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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Tim Behle
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posted August 09, 2007 05:20 AM
Save some of those cats and send them to me!
These danged Kangaroo rats and
Ground squirrels are thick this year, but the only place I ever see them out is next to a building where I can't shoot them.
I can't use snap traps or poison, due to all of my free range chickens, and they won't go into a box trap.
I need cats!
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Randy Roede
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posted August 09, 2007 06:32 AM
Sounds like he needs to go to the next guy on the list!!!!!
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csmithers
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posted August 09, 2007 08:37 AM
Get a big ole dead pile out in the field set up and wait. Fill it with fox, goat, sheep and chinchilla piss.
Tell Jan Michael Vincent/ Airwolf to quit scaring the hell out of them. He is only exacerbating the problem.
I am no Guvmint trapper or finely honed hunter so my advice is grain of salt, ya know. It sounds to me like this is going to take some planning on your part.
The traps are a good idea if no one has ever trapped out there. Before you go slapping traps up set up some small primer stations with different lures baits etc. to see what is going to get their attention quickly. After checking the stations to see if there is any activity I would then go in with the traps. A week or so of observation may yield good info for calling strategies and trap site selection. Double dirt holes, mounds, something out of the ordinary and not just Plain Jane dirt holes.
With all the Ag going on out there it looks like prime woodchuck territory. I would try the baby groundhog distress on the Bandit. I love that one!
Who the hell knows. 3Toes and Randy R should be all over this! Randy deferred so where's WileyE?
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NASA
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posted August 09, 2007 09:08 AM
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the only place I ever see them out is next to a building where I can't shoot them
Tim, get yourself a Sherridan pump pellet gun in .22 cal. It's great fun and deadly on those ground squirrels. Try headshots only for a challenge.
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tlbradford
Rimfires are MAGIC on COYOTES! If you do your part
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posted August 09, 2007 09:21 AM
Heck, He already has the helicoptor in the area, why doesn't he just aerial gun him with a thermal guided gatling. Or whatever those things have for a gun.
I like the bait pile, or trap idea myself. If you start to pattern them, you could set up at an ambush point and keep quiet.
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posted August 09, 2007 04:25 PM
All the negative factors are just part of the game if you want to hang your shingle out. Nothing out of the ordinary. I have a rancher that owns his own chopper and hunts out of it. And guess what, I still get trouble calls from him and have to go clean up coyotes there. There are night hunters, callers, ATV and snowmobile hunters, and recreational trappers everywhere and I still have plenty of coyotes to kill. They have seen it all, and heard it all but are still killable one way or another. Some take longer than others but thats the job. Good Luck!
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Cdog911
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posted August 09, 2007 04:37 PM
Thanks, Cal. Nice to see a professional offer up sincere, constructive commentary. And for the record, I don't hang a shingle or offer "professional" services. As competitive as things are around here for hunting ground, you have to be willing to offer something that the other guys can't or won't. I prefer to think of it as a courtesy to my landowners. I was just hoping that one of you guys that do this 24-7-365 could offer up something that I might be overlooking. In this instance, we're still early in things. And I don't expect to swoop in and manhandle every case in the first hour. LOL I just don't have much free time to mess with it right now, so it's hit and miss at best. If you note on that map, the four white squares are within a 100-yard square area, out of several square miles of good coyote-friendly cover. The first step, to me, is determining where they're hanging out and calling home, and we guessed that right from the get-go. Google Earth and aerial photos are wonderful tools in this sport.
smithers - we have a good snipe point determined that is, currently, guarded by traps. If we don't cuff them by the weekend, and I'm not betting on it, we'll be sitting against small cedars on the side of that north facing slope come Sunday morninng at half past too damned early as we lie in wait.
I told Matt last night, while setting traps, that one way or another, we would resolve this issue. Either we would get the offending coyotes, or Larry's wife would run out of cats. Either way, problem solved.
Thanks again, Cal.
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posted August 09, 2007 08:25 PM
By offering your help to kill the problem coyotes, I meant that as hanging out your shingle, Lance. No more or less. I'm not in a position to offer advice for territory and terrain I don't know. Without being there and having an idea of whats going on, how could I have an answer of any kind? I'm not going to look at a chickenshit little map and tell you what I think. Too many variables, I don't know if there are trails, I don't even know if you can use snares in Kansas, and I have no idea of your personal capabilities. I don't know if you could trap a skunk in a boxcar with one door already closed. And you may be the best trapper in Kansas, I wouldn't know. Sounds to me like your planning on staying with it till you figure it out. Thats all any of us do. Very few people have the time or will to stay with a problem till it's solved. If you do, then bully for you, if you don't then you are no different than the guy you were jabbing for killing the others. Sounds like he's still trying to kill them also. Maybe the friggin midnight chopper and 4 wheeler runs are what put the horses through the fence? Once again without being there I wouldn't know. What I do know is that I have no need for your snide sarcastic remarks and see no reason to try to help you even if I could.
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posted August 09, 2007 08:33 PM
I know you have probably gone through every trap set scenario and stand idea that most regular Joe Six Packs can offer up. They are probably the same ideas that any ADC'er could offer up. 
It sounds like you may not be too far off from getting them.
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Cdog911
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posted August 10, 2007 04:30 AM
Damn, Cal. Apparantly you and I are on different frequencies here because nothing in my reply to you was meant to be either snide or sarcastic. If I'd meant it that way, it would certainly have been patently obvious. I did, in fact, think your reply was objective, courteous, and helpful, as was most of the second one, less the veiled criticisms. Without flying you or another ADC man down here and showing you first hand what's to be dealt with, the only viable option I had was to post that chickenshit little map and ask - up front - for a little professional advice in case there is something I might want to try to help this guy out. I defer to your experience and professional knowledge and skill, and this is your response? And yes, as time allows, I'll probably stay with this until it's resolved. You never learn anything from the easy ones.
I only sought to get some information, give the members of the board a chance to occupy their down time with something while most of us endure this interminable heat, and fix this producer's problem at the same time. I have a professional ADC man that will gladly give me the advice I need, and who was raised here and is very familiar with the circumstances and terrain. He's not a county-level man, but rather, federal, and getting hold of him has been problematic since his skill level and training has had him busy trapping and calling arctic foxes in the Aleutians and trapping wolves in Idaho for most of three months, away from a phone. He and his partner, in the county where they're assigned, average 1400 coyotes and two dozen moutain lions a year, and in our convesations, he just doesn't understand the animosity that some ADC guys suffer toward the rest of the calling community. I'll call him so I don't have to bother you fellas anymore. Sorry for the inconvenience.
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posted August 10, 2007 05:41 AM
CDoug, if they are munching on cats then... why did you use the rabbit distress? What implored you to use such a sound!? Cold shoulder........
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Cdog911
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posted August 10, 2007 10:53 AM
I mainly went to offer pup distress and juvie howls. Rarely use bunnies at this time of the year except for something different. I did try kitten distress and cat distress both with no response. The reaction I got Wed morning takes calling off the table. Don't see much use in continuing a strategy that sends them running the other way. We'll focus on ambush and traps for now and go from there. As far as the helos spooking the horses, that was a witnessed incident, thus the means by which we got a description of our primary offender as being "a large, dark brown coyote". Compared to the other two he's running with, that's an accurate description. His luck will run out sooner or later.
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El Guapo
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posted August 10, 2007 02:44 PM
Federal, Wow!! I can't hardly believe you know a Fed. I have heard that those guys are unreal.
If I mistook your reply then I apologize, but it just seemed to me that you were upset that no one came up with the magic solution for you. Now, your jab is that you know a fed, not a county guy, but rather a FED!
Lord, I apologize, and bless the starving pygmies in New Guiney, but this is too funny!!
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Cdog911
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posted August 10, 2007 04:00 PM
Well, you did misread my reply, your apology is accepted, I wasn't looking for a magic solution, and I'm sure the pygmies in New Guinea appreciate your concern.
As far as my buddy goes, comparing him to local-level guys is like comparing the U.S. Marshal's Service personnel, FBI Agents, and Postal Inspection Service Inspectors that I've had the privilege to work with to local PD officers. No comparison. Both in level of skill, education, and their professional decorum.
I asked a serious question, sincerely requesting input from knowledgeable hunters. An opportunity to work over a problem during the down season for most of us. I didn't make this post to start the next great squabble with you or anyone else. But, you did. If that's what you want, get over it. I'm not biting. This was an exercise for enjoyment. I seriously doubt that you'd offer anything I'm not already aware of anyway or will eventually come upon on my own. Part of the learning curve and something I'm academically capable of dealing with either with, or without, your help. And I'm an eager student. As was pointed out to me in an e-mail today referencing this thread and its de-evolution, the only thing you have on most of us is time on the job and somebody paying you to do it. Geesh!
Now... does anyone want to go back to trying to whack these coyotes? Or not?
Oh, forgive me Lord, and bless those damned pygmies.
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