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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on July 15, 2007, 11:33 AM:
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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 15, 2007, 11:57 AM:
Where to start? Some of the ground you hunt is so open, you could be observed from farther away than your sound travels?
I hope your set up and stand discipline is okay?
On the other hand, maybe your coyotes are just pushed so hard that they are only active at night?
Total mystery. But coyotes come in and check out the location all the time, that's not rare at all.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Beastmaster (Member # 210) on July 15, 2007, 12:03 PM:
Hello Seventeen. I have one too! Remington BDL. You be right when you say a screaming causes interest long after such is abandoned by the gun. I did a desert screaming . . . waited for fifteen minutes . . . then motored to about a half mile away and made another set-up. While I was waiting for the desert to calm down I glassed the site of the previous set-up. Saw a coyote sniffing around my hide-out.Sumbitch even lifted a leg on it. I have used the same principle to call lion. It is illegal to shoot lion at night in Arizona. I would go out at night and make a number of screaming set-ups, each lasting ten minutes or so. When daylight came I would retrace my route and do a legal screaming. Some of the time I wopuld Bingo. Also have used this technique when trapping, screaming for a few minutes when each set was finished. I feel doing so cause me to skin subtantially more fur.
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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 15, 2007, 12:12 PM:
Gerry, click on the little icon with the pencil along the top of your post and you will see what that photo looks like when you paste the code into the message as I did with your post above.
That's all there is to it.
Good hunting. LB
edit: scroll all the way to the bottom.
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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on July 15, 2007, 01:39 PM:
It would be VERY interesting to know whether the coyote interprets the smell emanating from the spot it is sniffing was the source of the screams or the cause of the screams. It smells your scent and concludes? Killer or killee? I would buy that answer for a dollar. I might be not be able to use the info for anything other than an answer to a question but still.......
The coyote smells your keester and then piddles on it. Good, bad or indifferent?
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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on July 15, 2007, 02:42 PM:
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Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on July 15, 2007, 02:45 PM:
Smithers,
Maybe he pees on it to tell his pals "it's cool, I checked it out"?
TA,
If I remember right Higgins did some experimenting, and had coyotes come in as soon as 20-40 mins after a stand.
Calling the same spot the next day, on the idea that "you didn't see a coyote" seems foolhardy (to me).
Especially given the consideration he may have checked out what really was "where you were", before you got back to make your second attempt.
Maybe I'm not understanding you, and you don't mean the exact same spot. But the same section, unit, farm, whatever, from a new stand?
I think right after they checked out your buttprint, they go right back to being a coyote.
P.S. Lance wrote an article for T&PC, Destroying the Myths, or something to the effect.
It was right along these lines. Maybe he'll be able to quote himself better than I can.
Krusty 
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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on July 15, 2007, 03:08 PM:
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Posted by Rob (Member # 75) on July 15, 2007, 03:35 PM:
Forget the trail cam..Set some traps ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Posted by canine (Member # 687) on July 15, 2007, 04:05 PM:
Tim, sounds to me your just a day early...
No, seriously though, I have seen that here before. Make a stand cuttin through a property, to have a coyote sittin in the exact spot I made that first stand at, on the way back out ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
I can't see them reasoning and putting the two and two together though.
Edit: Gerry, I used to call the areas I had traps at for fox when I was a kid. I remember one night callin the oposite end of a open field , halfway through the stand a gray fox got caught in one of my sets, that was pretty neat.
JD
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Posted by Beastmaster (Member # 210) on July 15, 2007, 04:10 PM:
I do not pretend to be able to read a predators mind. Past experience causes me to speculate that a predator needs to know all possible about events that take place within his or her "house". That need to know can cause a predator to investigate circumstances that might cause him to be a more eficient hunter. The predator might imagine the screams might have signaled the end to a fellow creature, maybe killed or crippled the victim enough to cause such some to be an easy prey. Why don't they come at the run? Caution, I think. Waiting until they hear the sounds of departure, maybe a truck motor, might cause them to come at the sneak. I could write a book (but will not here) about the times I have finished a screaming, sat silent for an extra fifteen minutes, and surprised a sneaker.
Posted by Beastmaster (Member # 210) on July 15, 2007, 04:15 PM:
Canine . . . You posted as I was typing the above. I once set a trap for bobcat and placed
a Squeaker at the set. A cowboy friend and I walked down the trail a couple of hundred yards and did a screaming over a bear track. We walked back past the set after about thirty minutes of calling and were pleased to find an XXL Tom bobcat within the trap.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on July 15, 2007, 04:43 PM:
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Posted by Randy Roede (Member # 1273) on July 15, 2007, 04:55 PM:
TA- it sounds like your coyotes know your there.
If your calling to YOY in the winter with limited calling pressure a coyote should be showing up. Something is not adding up.
Are you trying to pull them out in the open from the cover or are you tying to kill them in the cover?
Your quote," Lance who? ", must mean your instruction with Wiley must have really stayed with you!!!!!!
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on July 15, 2007, 05:14 PM:
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Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on July 15, 2007, 05:32 PM:
TA,
Send me those traps, I no longer enjoy calling like I used to and would rather trap, so I'd put them to good use. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Krusty
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on July 15, 2007, 05:40 PM:
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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 15, 2007, 05:50 PM:
Tim, do you have one that you could spare that might handle my Tomcat problem? That sob is pissing on my doors, he needs a trip out of town.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on July 15, 2007, 06:14 PM:
Sure leonard. A 110 or 220 coni-bear should do the job. A quick and painless death.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 15, 2007, 07:05 PM:
Oh wait, I was thinking of something else. I might catch my own cat, that would not be good. I thought they were cage traps.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on July 15, 2007, 08:34 PM:
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Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on July 15, 2007, 11:13 PM:
12 volt battery, aluminum foil on the door, positive lead... aluminum foil on the porch, negative lead... he won't be back.
It works on cars, with two separate pieces of foil to step on, but you get added bonus effect of the urine stream as the "connector".
Krusty
P.S. I'd loan you a cage trap, but shipping back and forth would exceed the value of the trap.
Home Depot has folding raccoon cages, for around $40.
Many rental outfits have cages too.
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Posted by Greenside (Member # 10) on July 16, 2007, 05:50 AM:
"I also called some areas where there was no sign of coyotes being around but the area looked good and i knew there where some in the general area, give or take a mile or two" HUH?
Are your coyote vocal? Are they at the present time?
Tim what's your home county. would like to do a fly over with terra server and see how the county lays.
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Posted by JoeF (Member # 228) on July 16, 2007, 06:53 AM:
TA,
I'm not familiar with the area you're calling but if you're talking about ag ground like I sometimes call in IL. walking up to 1/2 mile into a 1 mile section is not a good idea. You've crawled right in to their lap and they know all about you. Try parking at the edge and walking in absolutely no more than you have to a few times and see what happens.
Let them come to you. Especially if you're talking a specific patch of cover surrounded by ag ground or pasture.
Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on July 16, 2007, 07:59 AM:
Maybe he pees on it to tell his pals "it's cool, I checked it out"?
Krusty, it's possible. The other thing that would be interesting to know is if they vocalized when they reached the spot. Warning barks, etc.
In Gerry's case it seems not but maybe in others?
Posted by canine (Member # 687) on July 16, 2007, 10:33 AM:
Good point JoeF, that's the same thing I am thinking. The games over before you make the first sound if your bumpin them. Areas around my place that are big open fields. I wait and call them in the middle of the day as to not bump any heading in. Let em lay up and pull them to the edge of cover or if they are willing out of the cover in to the open downwind side.
JD
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on July 16, 2007, 02:56 PM:
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Posted by Beastmaster (Member # 210) on July 16, 2007, 03:08 PM:
Leonard . . . I have a dandy cage trap I have used on raccoon. Will bring such the next time our trails cross. Maybe a coyote control hunt or at a camp-out. Would bring it to Norco but it is in Flagstaff and wont be going there before Norco.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 16, 2007, 03:10 PM:
Okay, I have requested a pellet gun from my grandson, so I don't know it I will need it, but thanks for the offer!
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on July 16, 2007, 05:37 PM:
TA,
On the traps, do you know the brand of the #220s and #330s?
I could definitely use them for my permit beaver trapping.
I'm looking into running a bobcat line on the Idaho Washington border (cages here, and "traditional" sets there), so the 1.75s would be awesome.
Let me know how many of each of these you have, and I'll make you some kind of an offer.
You've made your opinion of custom made calls fairly clear, and I respect that.
How does the idea of a good sized beaver pelt for a wall hanger sound?
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On the calling, I believe coastal coyotes here are similar to yours territorially, maybe even more so.
They do not howl or respond (vocally) to howling at all.
Part of this is brought on by the terrain as well, the forest has a way of gobbling up sound, in many places their voices can't make it from one territory to another.
And on the subject of territory, I believe they have little or no need for it.
Territories are set up to fend off competition, if there isn't any why expend the energy of setting up and obeying a territory?
Nobody is stopping me from going wherever I want, so I go.
It would be very interesting to have the same kind of GPS data on movements, on your coyotes and mine, that Higgins had access to.
Krusty
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on July 16, 2007, 10:17 PM:
Krusty: I'll take a look this week-end and let you know what i have..
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on July 17, 2007, 05:00 PM:
That Tim's a wise ass. Anyway, without going back and digging out that particular article, I believe I recall that the station I addressed in there specific to this issue involved calling the same coyotes twice on the same day. Specifically, there was one stand out incident where my partner and I were driving down the road and saw two coyotes standing about a hundred yards to the right. I jumped out, glassed both as they stood there with a bad case of the stupids, and noted that the closer of the two had some mange on the right hip. The other looked good, so I killed it, being the murderous sob that I am. My partner was upset that we didn't have the means to get the other, and I told him that we would, but to be patient. We went west a mile or two, called another ravine, then came back to the other side of where I believed the undead coyote had gone for refuge.
I set young Matt up in the half-mile line and I sat about forty yards south and west of him overlooking a relatively thickly grassed pasture. I wanted to paint a picture that the survivor's long, lost littermate had come looking for him, so I offered only a pair of mournful lost howls. Then, I waited. Very conservative approach. At about fifteen minutes, I spotted a head threading its way through the grass in front of me from right to left, looking back and forth. I aimed, woofed, it stopped, BANG! 41 yards. Rolled it over and found a bald right hip. Go figure. I've done that several times each season for the past few years now and have learned that no escapee is home free until we call it a day. On one hand, they can seem so damned smart. On the other, they can't seem to stay on task sometimes. You just never know.
As far as that half-mile issue, that's a situation-dependent concern. I've got a number of places where I have a half-section of coverless ground going uphill to a half-mile line where I can overlook good cover. Once I get a ways into the season, the last thing a coyote wants to do is repspond toward a road in broad daylight, so I go to the half-mile line and call them from the other side of the section. Doing so does a couple different things - it ensures that my set up is well away from any sound I made driving to my park point, and it seems to give the coyotes a comfort zone when they're running further away from the opposite side of the section and that road, so they come in a little more willingly at times. The down side is that it involves a lot of extra miles every day.
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