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TA17Rem
Hello, I'm the legendary Tim Anderson, Southern Minneesota Know it all
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posted June 26, 2007 08:18 PM
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Andy L
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posted June 27, 2007 04:35 AM
I already heard Tim,and yes, most folks alredy belive that sheep was caught in a fence and you were just helping..... ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Lord, feed the pygmys, Amen.
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Greenside
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posted June 27, 2007 06:08 AM
Are you assuming that only one side of the fence is being worked? Most sheep country gets worked hard, not just the sheep "ranch".
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Rich Higgins
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posted June 27, 2007 07:20 AM
You're a tease Tim. Spill it. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Jrbhunter
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posted June 27, 2007 11:54 AM
I don't think it matters how many predator callers or trappers have been in an area when your crew takes to the field Tim. The statistics you posted on MPH show that you'll kill 99% of the coyotes that walk or crawl in an area- previous pressures only reduce the number you'll kick & kill.
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csmithers
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posted June 27, 2007 02:42 PM
TA, according to my calculations it is a bit later than the time you posted your query.
Hunt whatever you can while you can. Pressure or no pressure the odds of shooting a coyote in the area are 0.00% if you don't hunt it or call it at all.
Pressure is urban legend anyway just ask the nearest Texan.
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Jrbhunter
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posted June 27, 2007 03:35 PM
Pressure is urban legend anyway just ask the nearest Texan.
A legendary Texan would say urban pressure is nearly non existant. Right Higgins?
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Rich Higgins
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posted June 27, 2007 04:21 PM
I know you guys are being facetious, so shame on you. This is a very serious subject.
The only reason the taxonomy of the coyote is such a complicated mess, c.latrans var. having been recognized recently and two others, possibly numbers 21 and 22, being considered for recognition, is because none of the taxonomists are legendary Texans and or their familiars.
According to the LTs and the LTFs there exists the "Smart" coyotes of N Texas and Alberta, "wild" coyotes elsewhere, and "urban" coyotes. Three distinct and different sub-species. See how simple it could be.
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Rich
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posted June 27, 2007 04:27 PM
You can call coyotes in a sheep pasture, but be sure to ask the owner if he has a guard dog out there with the sheep. I learned that lesson the scary way. Some of you probably know that sheep pasture just west of Rawlins, wyoming a few miles. There was a sheep herder living out of a covered wagon up in there. I called four coyotes and one Great Pyrenees. Did that scare me? Nah, but I knew dang well that I was gonna be in a heck of a lot of trouble iffen I had to shoot that big white dog. Holy Moly!!! ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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Norm
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posted June 27, 2007 05:08 PM
hunt where you can hunt, sheep ranch or no.... you have to realize that there are many dens created every spring on these ranches, with some of the young making it to fall, and with some taken young in their life...
food, water, great land.. what better place to raise a family. as long as you dont' get greedy on the food, you will have a wonderful life as a coyote on a sheep ranch.
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Carpe Diem
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posted June 27, 2007 05:17 PM
Ha!
Not on my watch Norm! If you are a coyote on one of my sheep ranches you will be dodging a constant barrage of artillery. Traps, Snares, M44's, airplanes, and some clown showing up at your house with a dog and looking for your pups!
No rest for the wicked out here. LOL!
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TA17Rem
Hello, I'm the legendary Tim Anderson, Southern Minneesota Know it all
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posted June 27, 2007 05:18 PM
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What if I told you, the left wing and right wing both belong to same bird!
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TA17Rem
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posted June 27, 2007 05:26 PM
Sorry for being late Smithers, I'm working now and could'nt get back to comp. till now....
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csmithers
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posted June 27, 2007 06:53 PM
The taxonomy of the coyote is really quite simple. It's the nit pickers that have to divide and sub-divide.
A coyote is a coyote is a coyote. This is especially true in TX when viewed through "shades". The short legged mutts of the SW are nearly deaf dumb and blind and the Eastern coyote is supernatural and mystic. Taxonomy complete.
TA, I would suggest hunting in, around, above and below any property you can get access to.
"do any members call sheep units or around them? If so what are the results..."
I prefer the female sheep. Something about being with a male sheep just seems gay and twisted.
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stevecriner
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posted June 27, 2007 07:01 PM
Tim, Like i said the other night," there was $400 some dollars behind that fence..." That ranch we got for the antlers coyote contest was shot all to hell. We walked by fresh( And i mean fresh) killed coyotes on the way to stands and still called coyotes. Im stcuk in between now i guess because road hunters ,and arial gunning, and hounders have not proved sturdy enough to keep the coyotes in OK from coming to the call.
steve
edit: To say ,"Nah im not stuck inbetween nothin. Ill hunt it nomatter what. Other callers is what makes it tough.
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Randy Roede
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posted June 27, 2007 07:48 PM
If you live in a state with an ADC program a sheep producer is not the best place to hang around. Now that being said if for some reason, why I'm not quite sure of, if the only control that is being done is only on the sheep producer and the adjacent landowners all say no to any control and you can get in to call them, well that might work, but that's got to be really rare!
I only have 5-6 sheep producers in over 2 million acres of country. All small flocks and kept close to the buildings if not in a feedlot on the building site. No free roamin flocks like some have. When they do call all bets are off on all recreational calling etc. Like Cal stated everything in the area gets both barrels. We have seen coyotes from great distances 5-10 miles coming to these flocks so the ring of death may range a bit wider on a sheep man.When allowed.Even if you happen to be working nearby you will always roam over and check your sheep man.
TA- was it Dudley, the gunner, AKA- Gator, the intensity of solving a sheep kill whether it be in the air or on the ground and the ground work to keep it quiet will lower your chances right by the sheep man.
Most sheep men have been around the block with recreational callers and their ADC men, and most have a professional and profitable relationship with the service of the one they choose and the circumstances that occur when each is used.Most producers have been promised alot of things by private callers and then the fun wears off and back to the ADC it goes, this occurs more than you think, most have other jobs etc. and it doesn't allow for the correct time and effort. Not to mention resources, equipment, planes etc.
It's not like were trying to keep ya from a honeyhole or whatever, just trying to tell it like it is.
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TA17Rem
Hello, I'm the legendary Tim Anderson, Southern Minneesota Know it all
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posted June 28, 2007 05:42 PM
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What if I told you, the left wing and right wing both belong to same bird!
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Randy Roede
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posted June 28, 2007 06:51 PM
TA- my sheep units are not ones to gauge numbers off of. Very small numbers in low number coyote areas, not in what you or anyone else would consider coyote country.
I just wouldn't be so fixed on hunting near a sheep guy or on a sheep guy. I don't ever recall anyone whether it be in a contest or just talking calling ever to have hunted on a sheep guy with a great deal os sucess. Just doesn't come up, but not many sheep right around here.
Your timeframe to when the coyotes are discovered and the time someone is working them is usually real small.
A flock of 5000 sheep anywhere and number of coyotes around it is more determined by where you put them not just the fact that they are there. They will draw coyotes but again only as many as there are nearby.
Tim our biggest single day numbers now come from cattle country by far, sheep men produce consistant numbers in the right country but not the highest numbers which I would be looking for if I was you. Cattle guys are worked during calving and then for the most part left alone. This allows, once again in good country, the numbers to grow with no control till proably next calving season. Exceptions will occur but this will hold up for the most part.
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Randy Roede
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posted June 28, 2007 06:55 PM
Higgins- The last two days I think I have found some of those uncallable super yotes from Iowa here in SD. LOL
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Rich Higgins
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posted June 28, 2007 07:33 PM
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Higgins- The last two days I think I have found some of those uncallable super yotes from Iowa here in SD. LOL
Randy, those were probably recruiting teams from our urban areas. If you would like to join me on my pedestal I would be delighted to share some of my magical techniques with you.LOL
Last Feb. I shared a honeyhole with Ray E. the president of PVCI. He called in more coyotes than he had ever before and shot as many on that one day as he had in the previous two years. A very good day for him.
He went back a couple of weeks later and a large flock had been moved into the area for the summer and a WS control specialist from Mi. had been at work with traps. He had a large pit backhoed out and one end contained the bodies of a number of sheep and the other end contained the bodies of 90 coyotes that he had trapped in the past 2 or 3 weeks. The area lies just outside of a large *********** that does not permit hunting of any kind and the silent areas that result from removing the coyotes creates a vacuum that sucks coyotes in off the rez. Come Sept. it will be prime calling country again.
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TA17Rem
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posted June 28, 2007 08:35 PM
Thanks Randy
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What if I told you, the left wing and right wing both belong to same bird!
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Paul Melching
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posted June 28, 2007 08:42 PM
Professor Higgins
how do you spell**********
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Rich Higgins
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posted June 28, 2007 10:02 PM
Paul, I usually spell it *********** , but *********** seems to work as well.
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Leonard
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posted June 28, 2007 10:58 PM
There still seems to be a glitch in the program? Sorry. LB
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Greenside
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posted June 29, 2007 05:33 AM
Randy, do you have many spring/fall or fall only calving operations in your territory? Are there less complaints from fall calving?
Dennis
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