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Posted by browning204 (Member # 821) on June 19, 2007, 06:39 PM:
 
I tried starting a thread on PM regarding coyotes hearing ability but the P.O.S. Mods keep making stupid posts and it is getting no where fast. I just wanted to maybe learn something.

So, I heard that they can listen to 10 sounds and process them individually, is this true? Does anyone know how I can find if this is true and how do the researchers know this.

Thanks for any info ya'll can give.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 19, 2007, 07:55 PM:
 
I honestly don't have an answer for you? I could tell you that a coyote has excellent hearing, and can be very selective in the sounds they respond to, but other than that?

It sounds like a lot to claim, without a heck of a lot of (unbiased) documentation?

The most amazing example I can remember was the time I knew I had a coyote yipping at me from downwind, and he was out of sight, beyond some brush that was 250 yards away.

I was using a machine playing a cottontail distress, or something siimiliar(?) set out about a hundred feet from me and remotely turned the volume all the way down with the intention of using a hand call.

I wasn't paying very close attention, just letting things settle down, but it was about a minute later, before I had even started with the hand call; I was surprised to see a pair of coyotes racing into the machine and put their nose right into the speaker before I could get a gun on them.

I managed to get one, but I later held that speaker right to my ear, making sure the volume was off and was unable to hear the tape playing, just a little white noise. Of course, my hearing isn't very good, but I continue to think that that was a remarkable example of their hearing ability.

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by browning204 (Member # 821) on June 19, 2007, 08:34 PM:
 
wow that is something! thanks
 

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Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on June 19, 2007, 09:41 PM:
 
Mike, I have a study packed away that I think is entitled "Auditory Sensitivity of Coyotes" authored by Hanson, Burke and two of three others. I'll call Mike Jaeger and see if he has a copy. I don't remember estimations of how many "layers" of sound a coyote can enterpret. I do know that coyotes can interpret many layers of scents, just as drug, cadaver and explosive sniffing dogs can. The size of the middle and inner ear, the rostra and auditory bullae determine the sensitivity to sound but the sounds are sorted and interpreted in certain areas of the brain just as scents are. These areas are very well developed in the coyote. I'll try to find another copy of that study and see what we can come up with.
 

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Posted by browning204 (Member # 821) on June 20, 2007, 08:04 AM:
 
sweet! thanks
 

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Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on June 20, 2007, 05:29 PM:
 
Yea heaven forbit you ask a real question over on PM.lol

They like it more when you stroke the Moderators egoes,or talk about more educational stuff like "name that scat" or "texas prime coyotes".Stuff like that.lol

Good Hunting Chad
 

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Posted by browning204 (Member # 821) on June 20, 2007, 06:35 PM:
 
tell me about it, now I must admit, I do like to ruffle their skirts when the ask for it but I was really trying to get an educating thread going. Well until Ranutah or whatever he calls himself threatened me with a "off line chat"

I was sooo scared that I shut off my PC and hid under my covers!

But really, I wanna know where these claims about their hearing ability came from.

p.s. will a .17HMR kill a coyote? sorry wrong forum.
 

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Posted by furhvstr (Member # 1389) on June 20, 2007, 07:15 PM:
 
I don't know anything technical about their hearing but I would like to put in my two cents for what it's worth.
Similar to Leonards story I have tried to adjust my volume to reach only the ears that will arrive in 15 minutes or less, usually less as I find it difficult to sit still for more than fifteen minutes. If a dog trots in at 10 mph he will cover 1.67 miles in ten minutes. We have all been out on a stand under calm conditions and heard a dog bark or rooster crow in someones backyard down in the valley floor. Next time it happens to you use your truck odometer to gauge the distance. Often times out here in the desert it can by as much as a 1.5 mile or more. If we can hear that at 1 or two miles how far can a coyote hear our efforts?
I think many of us ( myself included) call to loud and can actually hurt ourselves by moving coyotes off of ground that we will be calling on our next stand. By calling with lower volume I can get up from a stand at twelve or fifteen minutes and be fairly confident that any response would have showed by then. This allows me to make my stands closer together and get in more stands per outing.
An old timer up at the Nv fur sale told me once that out on that barren Nv desert a coyote will come from four or five miles. He would set for half an hour and shot plenty of coy in that last ten minutes.
I hope this is not old news and if it is I apologize.
 

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Posted by browning204 (Member # 821) on June 20, 2007, 07:38 PM:
 
that si good stuff because, last time I was sitting on stand, I was thinking 2 things.

1. please God don't let me call in a Black Bear.
as I was alone and armed with a .204 and a 9mm both I would not consider Bear stoppers.

2. Am I calling to loud. Remember I am not in the desert I am in thick hard and soft woods with lots of ups and downs. I play my distress with moderate to low volume but the coyote vocalizations I blast away. Lots of times I hear them echo in the land around me. I think that I am trying to trigger a territory issue but am I really just yelling "get outta here!" to the possible resident coyotes?

Thought??
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 20, 2007, 07:58 PM:
 
Thought!

I had to go over on PMS and read for close to an hour to discover that Bill Martz is the source of your info.

I'm not even going to speculate on his experience/knowledge of coyotes, but I guess he knows alot about radios.

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by browning204 (Member # 821) on June 20, 2007, 08:06 PM:
 
yes Leonard, that is what got me to thinking about it. As I stated over on PMS, it is just 1 opinion and I am hunting much smaller pieces of property than most people.

I am just trying to get a general feel as to what people think about the subject.

Didn't mean to make you read over there, my bad!
 

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Posted by varmit hunter (Member # 37) on June 20, 2007, 10:22 PM:
 
Mike. After 48 years of calling I have a PHD In calling(Poorly Handled Debacles)

I call to loud

I use to many sounds.

I call to often.

The longer I stay on the stand the more I tend to do the above.

They hear better,smell better, and see better than we can ever cunceve. I cant give you any numbers. Just trust me on this one.
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on June 21, 2007, 03:09 AM:
 
Good stuff!!!

I would also like to add that (in my opinion) one of the major reasons that coyotes 'hang up' is calling with to much volume.
 

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Posted by albert (Member # 98) on June 21, 2007, 05:36 AM:
 
Personally I haven't noticed coyotes hanging up because of to much volume. A change in volume will do it. I too tend to call to loud according to the experts.

I will no longer change the volume on an e-caller once I have seen the coyote , if the coyote is not in view.

I have seen where a coyote will stop if the sound stops. I have also seen when hand calling that a coyote will stop when you do call. a change in sound seems to get them moving again(sometimes)
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 21, 2007, 07:35 AM:
 
We just can't make general statements about coyotes, which is a darn shame.

Yes on calling softly when it suits my purpose, especially in a high density area. I also like to begin a stand at low volume, seems logical, on occasion.

But, if you talk to the guys in Wyoming or Montana, wide open spaces, for instance; they think there is no such thing as TOO loud.

I have had many animals ignore the 500 pound rabbit, with the volume jacked to max.

It's really hard to say what will cause a coyote to check up, but I agree with Albert, messing with the volume when they are coming in, will queer a few of those eagar beavers.

I have never figured out the dynamics involved, but when hand calling, we have pauses all the time; it's necessary. I wonder how many guys think about their pulse rate when hand calling? I'm always careful because I don't like it much when those crosshairs are jumping all over the place. Even Lance Armstrong would need a few pauses.

However, when calling continuously, with electronics, a pause will cause an incoming animal to skid to a stop. Not always, but enough that you learn to be careful.

That's good to know, when he's in the right position, but that little trick will bite you, if you do it at the wrong time.

Good hunting. LB

PS maybe ol' Bill will drop in and straighten us knuckleheads out?
 

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Posted by browning204 (Member # 821) on June 21, 2007, 08:08 AM:
 
""PS maybe ol' Bill will drop in and straighten us knuckleheads out?""

Who you callin a knucklehead??
 

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Posted by Okanagan (Member # 870) on June 21, 2007, 03:03 PM:
 
"1. please God don't let me call in a Black Bear.
as I was alone and armed with a .204 and a 9mm both I would not consider Bear stoppers.

2. Am I calling to loud. .... Lots of times I hear them echo in the land around me.

Thought??"

1. If you call in a bear, be grateful. :-)

2. Calling too loud? You've answered that one for yourself by now. Most likely it is too loud. Even if some coyotes come in to calling that loud, which I suspect a few might, you'd probably do better with a quieter sound, as most here have indicated.

Leonard, that's an amazing anecdote of coyote hearing ability.

[ June 21, 2007, 03:04 PM: Message edited by: Okanagan ]
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 21, 2007, 03:36 PM:
 

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Leonard, that's an amazing anecdote of coyote hearing ability.

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