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Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on June 12, 2007, 05:30 AM:
I saw Danny's post about calling and killing nine coyotes while calling from topper of his truck. I would like to know how well this would work in daytime. Sitting in back of my truck with camo netting draped over said truck sounds interesting to this old fart. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 12, 2007, 07:42 AM:
I have done it many times, Rich. Works everywhere but Kansas, near as I can tell?
Seriously, there is nothing new under the sun. You know all that advice about setting up crosswind and putting your caller out in front of you, so that they focus on the sound and not you sitting under a bush? It works the same way. A coyote will run toward the machine and ignore the vehicle. I have killed hundreds of coyotes in broad daylight, making stands from the truck. Doesn't always work, but then again, what does?
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on June 12, 2007, 08:21 AM:
Leonard,
Thanks for the information. I have thought about this every now and then, but never did anything about trying it. My idea is to simply get a large chunk of camo netting from army surplus. Enough netting to cover the whole truck. I could build myself a portable high chair to place in bed of my truck. Just high enough to allow shooting over the cab when coyote comes from that direction. There are a few pastures around here that I can drive to my calling spots. I know several places in nebraska that would allow driving to the stand also.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 12, 2007, 08:58 AM:
Good luck, if you decide to try it. I have one of those Army leafy camo net jobs that fits over the truck, but it's mostly not needed. LB
Posted by J_hun (Member # 872) on June 12, 2007, 05:16 PM:
Leonard, I think the coyotes in S.D. must be smarter. Coyotes seem to go the other way when they spot a vehicle. I find it quite interesting. I guess it works for you so that's all that matters. Last year I sat in my pickup and howled. Four coyotes came over the ridge about 500yds. and did a quick turn around and outa here. I've never hunted in Kansas , so I suppose anything is possible. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on June 12, 2007, 06:40 PM:
Since Jerry hunts some of the same areas as me i won't give the exact details but calling from the truck or near by it has worked for me on several occasions. I do it mostly when the wind has picked up or when checking out some new areas. the main thing is be ready with gun when they show up, some will stick around for a bit and some will take off at first site of truck. The only camo i use for this is have a hill on back side of truck and some tall grass or fence on calling side..
Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on June 13, 2007, 05:28 AM:
J_hun,
You make a very good point. I am wondering if camo netting over the truck would eliminate that problem? I'm thinking that calling from ridge tops would still be a bad idea though.
Posted by albert (Member # 98) on June 13, 2007, 05:44 AM:
I don't think that you can compare Leonard's or Danny's truck to you average pickup. It's tough to find any chrome or shiny paint on them.
They don't need camo because they are camo. I suspect that a coyote would have a hard time reconizing it as a truck.
Posted by furhvstr (Member # 1389) on June 13, 2007, 06:44 PM:
If I figured out something on my own and then come to find out guys have been doing it for thirty years before me do I still get credit for inventing it?
I have been killing coyotes out the window of the pickup for years. Thought it was my secret.
Works best when the driver is a lefty and passenger a righty.
Use this method for problem dogs running rural areas. They are used to vehicles and people and could care less in most cases about your truck.
Speaker under the hood or just blow out the window. No camo nets or spray paint.
Doesn't work very well further out in the woods.
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on June 13, 2007, 08:39 PM:
Furhvstr; Is this in the daytime??
and.... how close do the coyotes come in to the truck??
I've wondered about laying up on the shell with the caller on the cab but never had the nerve to try it.
Posted by furhvstr (Member # 1389) on June 13, 2007, 08:52 PM:
Yes daytime.
Remember I am using this technique in populated areas where the coyotes are accustomed to cars. They don't run up to the bumper but who can't make a 175 yarder of the mirror?
Stumbled onto this during a contest years ago.
Three man team and had dropped two guys off at a spot where we couldn't hide the truck and I went down the road a couple miles to wait for them to make their stand. Sitting in the cab I blew out the window and picked up a bonus dog.
Had a good friend with poor health who has since past on who used to park on the side of the road and barely get off the shoulder to call. Called plenty in close enough for a rifle shot.
Not saying it's guaranteed but it is another tool to use in certain situations.
I relate it to how a deer is much more afraid of a person on foot than in a car.
[ June 13, 2007, 08:56 PM: Message edited by: furhvstr ]
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on June 14, 2007, 07:06 AM:
Ok & thanx!!
I'm thinking that this just might be an improvement over trying to get far away from a truck that can't be hidden. Instead of spending a lot of time hiking, just pull over; call & head for the next spot.
I did talk to a fence rider once who swore he called coyotes up to lever gun range from up on his horse. There was a bottle of Black Velvet involved in the conversation though, so I never gave the concept much consideration.
Always something new to try!!!!
Posted by onecoyote (Member # 129) on June 14, 2007, 09:07 AM:
Albert, my truck looks like a stock 2003 4x4 Dodge gas eater with a funny looking camper shell on it. No camo at all, it's a silver truck with a black shell.
Rich, you'd love hunting out of my truck. During the day I just put the FoxPro out 50/75 yards in the sagebrush and go back and get in my camper shell. Then I just sit down and what for a coyote to respond as I'm having a cup of coffee. At night, I just call em right from the truck. This is a great way for older guys to hunt. They should make it a law in every state that makes it legal.
Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on June 14, 2007, 09:19 AM:
onecoyote,
I do believe that you are correct. I most certainly WOULD enjoy calling from your truck. Maybe, just maybe I will get the chance to do just that someday soon. My truck is a 2003 Dodge and it is silver in color, but has no topper. Do you have a hole in top of your black topper where you stick your head out when calling, or do you simply sit on the tail gate? Gosh, I might be able to find a cheap topper for my truck if I really need it. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Posted by onecoyote (Member # 129) on June 14, 2007, 10:11 AM:
I got a 40"x40" hole in the top of the shell, with a bucket to sit on inside. I also have a shooting rest all the way around the top. If you miss it's not the rifles falt.
You got to remember it is legal to shoot coyotes from your truck in this state, so I took full advantage of it.
When I feel good enough or want something else to do, I make brush stands the old way. Not as productive but it's fun too.
Rich, we just put the motel on the market, don't know how long I'm going to be here. Could be two or three months or two years.
Don't know where we are going either, but we are going. I like Nevada, she likes South Dakota, Wyoming, maybe southeastern Idaho. Well see who wins. One thing for sure, it well be in coyote country.
You or any of the other guys want to come out and do some hunting, no problem as long as I'm hear.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 14, 2007, 10:29 AM:
There are two ways to go, either have your hunting rig all tricked out, or as Danny is doing, make it look (to a casual observer) completely normal. But, when you know how to set up a California hunting rig, whether it looks like one or not, it works way better than something like a Texas rig. Those things are cold, number one, and trees and brush would prevent you getting down a lot of roads. They do haqve an advantage for visibility, get up a little higher, but that advantage is most important in heavy cover, not wide open Texas badlands.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by furhvstr (Member # 1389) on June 14, 2007, 05:40 PM:
Personally I got rid of anything on my truck that draws attention. No corded lights, no platforms or shooting rails just a crate in the back with my lights in it and a rifle and scatter gun in the cab. With all the rules here in Cali. it's pretty tough to stay in between the lines when night hunting. By not having the truck all tricked out I can take some attention of myself.
Posted by onecoyote (Member # 129) on June 15, 2007, 07:29 AM:
furhvstr, people that do really good at something usually have an edge One good thing about NM is they don't have a clue what my truck is, and it's legal to shoot coyotes from it.
Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on June 15, 2007, 08:10 AM:
onecoyote,
I called the Iowa DNR yesterday. They told me that as long as I was on private property and using my truck for a stationary blind, I would be legal in shooting coyotes from it. Now all I need to do is figure out how I want to set it up. ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
Posted by onecoyote (Member # 129) on June 15, 2007, 09:13 AM:
Alright, that's good news. Don't go crazy, take a look at a few pictures of some varmint rigs. I'll try and be nice to my wife so she'll post some pics for you, maybe Leonard can post a few too. That way you can get some ideas.
[ June 15, 2007, 09:14 AM: Message edited by: onecoyote ]
Posted by Nahuatl (Member # 708) on June 19, 2007, 12:32 PM:
Edited out.
[ November 04, 2007, 11:06 AM: Message edited by: Nahuatl ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 19, 2007, 01:07 PM:
Yes, hate to admit it, but I also have a bunker mentality, or at least I used to. Now, I am backsliding occasionally. But, make no mistake, the liberal mindset, is alive and well in the bureaucracy, on every level. They will beat you into submission, everybody will conform, or else.
Unless (of course) you are an illegal with imaginary rights granted by their Constitution and their Bill of Rights, under the flag of Mexico.
edit: or (beg your forgiveness!) a terrorist! Oh yes, the ACLU is working day and night to protect their freedoms under the Constitution of the United States!
Come again?
[ June 19, 2007, 01:10 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by furhvstr (Member # 1389) on June 19, 2007, 05:11 PM:
What did I miss?
Posted by Rusty Holt (Member # 350) on August 28, 2007, 08:48 AM:
Leonard.....look in the background and show me a tree that will get in my way! Then, look at the coyotes laying in front of me and tell me it doesn't work.
It's simply a matter of doing what works for you, and there's no set system that will work for everyone. You're rig wouldn't allow you to shine your light above the mesquite and cedar cover in many parts of the country I hunt, but I'm sure it works perfect where you are at. Likewise, I probably couldn't stay seated in my chair for 5 seconds riding along the rough roads you travel, and I'm sure trees might be an issue to.....but fortunately neither of us are trying to use our respective hunting styles in terrain that doesn't fit our hunting rigs.
Regarding the cold......if my priority was to stay warm I'd be at home sitting by the fire. Instead, I wear coveralls when needed and I've lasted until daylight several times with the temps in the teens. I know you also have wondered how we stay seated in those chairs when driving along rough roads. They key is that these oilfields out here have some of the smoothest, most well maintained roads you've ever seen. I've seen highways in New Mexico rougher than the ranch roads I hunt from here. The chair will also work our here during daylight hours. I just tend to hunt nights more due to my work schedule, family, etc.
I'd love to hunt from your set-up out in your country, and I'm sure you'd have a blast hunting from my set-up in my country.
Take care and God Bless,
Rusty
Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on August 28, 2007, 01:46 PM:
Now that was an intelligent and diplomatic rebuttal. Well done Mr. Holt.
I counted 21 coyotes in front of you. Was that one nights hunt? It's hard to argue with success.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 28, 2007, 02:07 PM:
That may have been a diplomatic post, and I acknowledge it as such; and I also see a pile of coyotes. A good California team can kill more than twice as many as that, but that is still a very fine kill. One to be justly proud of.
Understand that we used to hunt out of such a rig, more than thirty years ago. We don't have well graded private roads behind locked gates. We have trees, we have much colder weather than is seen in Texas, and no mater how macho, a man couldn't take that exposure all night long, unprotected in a chair like shown. A California rig is just a better system. Including having both men side by side. Apparently it's a difficult concept for even the great Higgins to comprehend?
Good hunting. LB
[ August 28, 2007, 02:09 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by JeremyKS (Member # 736) on August 28, 2007, 04:16 PM:
I am a newbie to night time calling. I just recently moved to the panhandle of Texas and can't wait to try some night time calling. This is big wide open short grass country no trees or brush.
I need some advice on a night time setup. I like some of the perks of the Cali rig but don't like that it’s a more of a permanent fixture. My idea is build a Texas style chair but with 2 chairs side by side. Any ideas of why this would not work?
Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on August 28, 2007, 06:47 PM:
quote:
Apparently it's a difficult concept for even the great Higgins to comprehend?
Thanks, Leonard. You make me sound like a sideshow act.lol
But you are right, I don't comprehend, I've never hunted from either rig so I don't have an opinion about them. I do have an opinion about Mr. Holts tone and manner in his post and I expressed my appreciation to him.
PS do I get to be a GREAT guru and celebrity something or other now?
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 28, 2007, 07:21 PM:
Well, since you asked so nice, I will look into it.
edit: but, normally, tone and manors don't count for much on http://www.huntmastersbbs.com/cgi/cgi-ubb/ultimatebb.cgi
[ August 28, 2007, 07:24 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by The Outdoor Tripp (Member # 619) on August 28, 2007, 08:30 PM:
Very, very nice Rusty.
Would like to ask you a question or two when you get a moment. Shoot me your email address?
Thanks,
Tripp
Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on August 28, 2007, 09:11 PM:
"Thanks Leonard. You make me sound like a side show act."
Welcome to my world.
You got a long ways to go before you're ready to take my job!
But you are slidin' that-a-way!
Krusty 
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 28, 2007, 09:24 PM:
a better tag team doesn't exist.
Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on August 28, 2007, 10:25 PM:
I just had to open my mouth, didn't I.
Might as well take the opportunity to offer a free demo for the ladies out there.
Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on August 29, 2007, 05:23 AM:
Rich,
You just keep your free demos up in Phoenix!
Have you ever met Mike?
He considers Joyce to be his and doesn't let other men get close to her. A migrant got too close, and Mike literally ran him though a barb wire fence and returned with the guys hat for a trophy!
Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on August 29, 2007, 05:28 AM:
Ive met Mike. I wont exit the vehicle until escorted.
Posted by Rusty Holt (Member # 350) on August 29, 2007, 05:55 AM:
I appreciate your reply. Please understand that I have never claimed to be better than anybody when it comes to predator hunting.......not even the bottom 1% of "teams" in CA. I'm still learning something everytime I head out in the field and that's the way I like it. I have nights where I'm blessed enough to have a good quantity of animals responding to the call, and I have nights when it seems quite the opposite, but I'm still blessed to be out there and enjoying what I love to do.
I think your post above further proves how we have different conditions, needs, etc. which warrants a different style of hunting. I don't have a single ranch I hunt on that doesn't have a locked gate, most (but not all) of the roads I drive on are smooth enough to allow a shooter up in the chair and our temps. are much milder than they are out there. In addition, you mentioned "both men side by side". I hunt solo much of the time which means I don't have someone to hold my light, etc. so I would be handicapped with a system that didn't provide that for me. Also, there's the brush issue.....most of my good cat country is in pretty thick cedar (red juniper) country, and they grow to approx. 8' tall or taller in most areas. I simply can't do without the added elevation in order to see over that brush so I can get a positive i.d. on an animal in addition to making the kill.
Finally, I'm not a guy that can afford to have a truck that I use for predator hunting only. I still use my truck bed to do work such as hauling wood, tools, feed, luggage, furniture....you name it. Putting a camper shell on it would obviously eliminate the majority of the things I could haul around in it. My rig fits my needs nicely since I can take it out by myself when I get home in the morning and set it back up by myself the next night if needed.
Again, I appreciate your post. Let me make it clear that I'm not claiming to have a better system....just a better system for me. You won't ever catch me bashing y'alls system. Truthfully, I think they look really nice and are probably quite comfortable, but you won't ever catch me trying to adopt it to fit my circumstances, either.
Take care and God Bless,
Rusty
Posted by Rusty Holt (Member # 350) on August 29, 2007, 06:05 AM:
JeremyKS:
I forgot to answer your question in my post. Below is a pic of a set-up that a local guy uses. Looks like it would work for one or two hunters. I've never sat in it, but he hunts quite a bit so I would imagine that it works well for him....
Rich...sorry I missed you, too. I think it is 20 coyotes and 1 cat that must have been lost since I never see cats in that area . That pic is not from my best single night, but better than the majority.
Take care and God Bless,
Rusty
[ August 29, 2007, 06:58 AM: Message edited by: Rusty Holt ]
Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on August 29, 2007, 08:00 AM:
Tim, is that really a trophy that Mike is showing off there?
Truthfully, Mike doesn't scare me at all.
Joyce does though.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 29, 2007, 09:52 AM:
Rusty, that was a very classy post. I sort of forgot why I decided to go with a dedicated hunting rig, years ago. Actually, I envy you the locked gates.
Good hunting. LB
edit: one thing I should add. We also don't like to advertize what we are doing, give away our spots, etc. The chair would be counterproductive, in that sense.
[ August 29, 2007, 09:54 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by R.Shaw (Member # 73) on August 29, 2007, 09:59 AM:
Actually, I cant see an advantage to two guys up in the chair. Providing the chair rotates 360 degrees. One man there would be just as effective. In my opinion, if you had a partner along, he would be much more effective standing by the truck with a shotgun or with a 17 hmr stuck out the window.
Randy
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 29, 2007, 10:07 AM:
Randy, Thanks. I can truly appreciate your opinion. And, let me say this as gently as possible. There appear to be many things you don't know, and don't know that you don't know?
It's not all bad, but if you don't want to believe me, that's your choice.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by R.Shaw (Member # 73) on August 29, 2007, 10:34 AM:
Leonard, You are exactly right, there are a lot of things I don't know. My comments were directed only towards the Texas two man chair. That is the only experience I have. And it aint much. I have zero experience shooting from a camper shell.
Randy
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 29, 2007, 11:29 AM:
Thanks for that response, Randy. I have said before, the concept is a little difficult to understand, and I cannot invite everybody for a demo. You guys are happy and we are happy. I'd just like the opportunity to hunt Texas again, and see how a CA rig is such a disadvantage.
One thing to chew on, is recovery. Some of the wide open places we see, marking a distant animal is so much more accurate when the light man doesn't have the responsibility of shooting. I know with absolutely certainty, having been in both positions many times, that the guy on the light knows where the animal is, if he is down, or if he is flopping around or if he was missed. This is something the shooter doesn't see very well, and neither does a guy standing in the bed of the truck without having control of the light in his hand.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by JoeF (Member # 228) on August 29, 2007, 02:03 PM:
Rusty, does that double chair thing swivel?
Randy, maybe someday they'll let us do the night thing with lights in Missouri.... I hope. Meanwhile, I'll continue to enjoy hunting after dark on the wrong side of the river.
The advantage of both guys on the same plain is that more than likely you'll be looking at the same thing and be closer together to communicate in relative silence. Regardless of how mild-manner a round I shoot at night I lose the animal due to muzzle flash or whatever. The guy with the light doesn't have that problem and can mark things pretty well.
Hunting where I do I can not use either style of vehicle - from the ground only here. I can certainly see where the Texas rig would give a visibility advantage - 2 or 3 feet of elevation can make a tremendous difference in visibility. Sadly, it would never survive a trip down the road here due to tree branches, etc...
Both would be a huge improvement over standing on the ground, and that ain't bad.
Just my beginner's observations.
Posted by Rusty Holt (Member # 350) on August 29, 2007, 02:43 PM:
Yes, it swivels.
Take care,
Rusty
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 30, 2007, 01:38 PM:
Rusty, did you get my email sent to your hotmail account?
Posted by Rusty Holt (Member # 350) on August 30, 2007, 02:27 PM:
Just got it, thanks. I've been covered up here at work hoping to get my desk cleared off enough to enjoy the long Holiday weekend.
Take care and God Bless,
Rusty
Posted by Q-Wagoner (Member # 33) on August 30, 2007, 09:42 PM:
All I know is that I would love to do a hunt with both Leonard and Rusty. I would be in good company and I am sure I would learn volumes. By the way Rusty, where exactly was that first picture taken??? LOL Ya Ya I know I know. LOL
Good hunting.
Q,
Posted by NASA (Member # 177) on August 31, 2007, 07:22 AM:
Q, that chair of yours seemed to hold up pretty good on those rutted roads in WY. How much fur have you taken from the chair so far?
Posted by Q-Wagoner (Member # 33) on August 31, 2007, 02:45 PM:
Randy and I have taken somewhere between 60 and 70 predators out of my rig so far in Texas. I changed a bunch of things sense you saw it last Tom. I am changing a number of things for this year as well. It is going to be a really sweet set up when I get done. This fall I will post some pics. Leonard will be green with envy. LOL
Good hunting.
Q,
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 31, 2007, 06:18 PM:
I can't wait.
Posted by furhvstr (Member # 1389) on August 31, 2007, 09:40 PM:
Rusty that's a nice pile of dogs. Looks like the results of a very efficient system. You are pretty skilled to do that by yourself.
I hunted texas one time in a high rack for hogs and it worked great. There is a reason you guys use them. I had a "Ca." rig for years and it would'nt work nearly as well out there. At least not in south Texas where I was at.
Leonard, not to ruffle any feathers but I have a hard time agreeing with " a good Ca. team could kill twice that many" Are you talking about now or back in the day? I wasn't around back then but I run with some pretty good hunters these days and killed a few myself and I could'nt imagine 40 in a day or even a weekend. I have met and heard about some of the assoc. guys and the ones I met could'nt do it.
My opinion, respectfully submitted.
[ August 31, 2007, 09:42 PM: Message edited by: furhvstr ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 31, 2007, 11:22 PM:
Well, I can't say too much about it, but back in the day, is documented 100%. A number of times I have seen kills numbering in the mid to high 40's, hunting from Friday night until Sunday afternoon, usually a total of 44 hours. However, travel time would easily take 10-12 hours from Los Angeles, so you might be looking at 30+ hours of hunting time, if you don't sleep. And, to be competitive, you can't sleep.
Now I need to be a little cute about it, but hell yes, it's still possible, more than 40. The animals are there, but of course, I'm not saying where.
There are several problems with it, one being that access has dried up in some cases, and there is no longer an incentive. Since we don't have a State Organization any more, the competition factor is gone. You need to do 1½ animals per hour and you stand a good chance of winning.
It was crazy times; not very damned long ago, either. There are people here that know what I'm talking about, but that's about all I have to say.
Okay, might as well say it cannot be done because nobody would want to kill themselves just to prove a point. I don't know? If you flashed some serious money around, somebody might be tempted? Not this kid. But I know how to do it.
Good hunting. LB
PS, and if anybody (you know who you are) get's too damned specific, that would piss me off pretty bad.
edit: Mercer, I have only hunted west Texas, and a CA rig works just fine, there.
[ August 31, 2007, 11:26 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by NASA (Member # 177) on September 01, 2007, 11:24 AM:
![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
A TX rig puts the shooters eyes only slightly higher than in a CA rig. Also, the CA rig is much more comfortable for old, fat guys. Pole sitting is best left to the young whippersnappers.
Posted by Locohead (Member # 15) on September 03, 2007, 01:54 PM:
Granted, I wasn't around in the nineteen twenties, but I believe that flag-pole sitters were dapper-flappers, not whipper-snappers.
Posted by onecoyote (Member # 129) on September 04, 2007, 11:22 AM:
Yep Leonard, I seen it. Who cares now days ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
so I changed my post
[ September 05, 2007, 01:18 PM: Message edited by: onecoyote ]
Posted by Rusty Holt (Member # 350) on September 07, 2007, 01:13 PM:
I did see Todd Woodall & Jeff Thomason rack up something like 34 coyotes and 1 cat in a single night here in W. Texas. Granted, that's not the usual out here, but they didn't even start until a couple of hours after dark. Hear me out, I'm not saying TX is better or their rack is better or anything else....it was just an impressive night considering they killed 5 coyotes on a single stand twice that night along with several triples and quaruples. Another important factor is that I don't think they missed a single shot but may have lost a coyote in the grass. I could be mistaken on those details.
I've had the action get really hot before and have even killed 6 on a single stand (which was the 2nd stand of the night), but on that night it seemed like the coyotes suddenly "turned off" about an hour or so later and I only ended up with 8 in the basket that night. It's just rare out here for the coyotes to keep coming hour after hour, stand after stand....but they do it as I'm sure they do everywhere else. Usually when I have a really good night I'll go through a series of "ups" and "downs"....just like with fish biting. Sometimes the "off" times lasts for just a couple of stands and sometimes it can last for hours. The key is staying after it and working your way through the dry stands until it picks up again which you hope it does before daylight. Sometimes it just doesn't, though.
I'd pay anything to figure out what triggers them to start and stop coming to the call. I'd definitely spend more down time drinking coffee and resting in the truck instead of wearing myself out making so many stands. I used to think that the slower action was due to the country I was calling at the time not having coyotes within ear-shot or that they perhaps busted me prior to or during my stand.....and that might very well play a factor at times, but I think during the extended "off" times it has more to do with their interal "wiring" so to speak and when they are in hunting mode vs. non-hunting mode. Just like a bass that you can dangle a bait right in front of its nose for an hour with not even a nibble and then all of the sudden something triggers their feeding and you have bass racing eachother to the same bait. If I could only figure it all out I'd be a millionaire!
Take care and God Bless,
Rusty
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on September 07, 2007, 02:52 PM:
That's a good post, Rusty. I agree 100%.
Danny, if your post crossed the line, I would have done something about it....but it didn't. The only thing I care about is talking about where these honey holes might be located. I think you already know that. But, you can talk about numbers, no big deal, to me. Some of these young pups think the good old days were the easy old days and none of that stuff can ever be repeated. Just by virtue of the above post from Rusty, we can see that there are places where an unbelievable kill can still happen.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Q-Wagoner (Member # 33) on September 07, 2007, 03:01 PM:
If it could be figured out I think someone would have by now. It is just somewhat consistent that they are active within a couple hours of daylight and dark. What shuts them off probably varies quite a bit. Barometric pressure, moonrise, moon set and prey base may have a lot to do with it. Ya don’t know unless you are out there. LOL
Good hunting.
Q,
Posted by George Ackley (Member # 898) on September 07, 2007, 03:05 PM:
There may have been one posted and I mist it
but can some show me a CA rig???
I have only used the high racks and high chair's before.
would like to see a CA rig and how they work
Thanks
Posted by Rusty Holt (Member # 350) on September 10, 2007, 08:51 AM:
Q:
Shoot me an e-mail at predatorsniper@h*t*a*l.com. I was hoping to compare notes on our shooting rigs. I heard you have a pretty cool idea and I might have an idea that you'd like.
Take care and God Bless,
Rusty
Posted by George Ackley (Member # 898) on October 28, 2007, 08:20 AM:
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NO PHOTOS, of the Ca rigs
Posted by nevjohn (Member # 1755) on October 29, 2007, 05:25 PM:
Since roadhunting is illegal here in Kali, I just happen to run across these pictures today of some Texas rigs. The Jeep is a double seat, kinda neat.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on October 29, 2007, 07:27 PM:
There you go George. Those Texans make some mighty fine rigs.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Michael J (Member # 468) on October 29, 2007, 07:46 PM:
Now Rich, that don't mean you can sit in the truck with the windows rolled up and the heater goin, listening to Patsy Cline and Tammy Wynnette on the 8 track
Posted by George Ackley (Member # 898) on November 02, 2007, 10:05 AM:
I was just wondering what a California rig looks like?
I have my hart set on getting out there to Joshua tree area to do some calling someday and was just wondering what the callers out there are using?
texas rigs we have
Posted by George Ackley (Member # 898) on November 02, 2007, 10:12 AM:
Sorry i mist this,
quote:
Since road hunting is illegal here in Kali,
I didn't know you couldn't hunt from a truck there in CA.
in PA we can ether.
I guess that why i find myself in Texas so much
Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on November 03, 2007, 04:33 PM:
This thread has me also curious. What does a CA rig, look/consist of?
Posted by Nahuatl (Member # 708) on November 04, 2007, 11:01 AM:
Hunting at night is illegal north, south, and west of Joshua Tree. Post pictures at your own risk.
[ November 04, 2007, 11:07 AM: Message edited by: Nahuatl ]
Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on November 05, 2007, 05:53 AM:
posted October 29, 2007 07:46 PM
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Now Rich, that don't mean you can sit in the truck with the windows rolled up and the heater goin, listening to Patsy Cline and Tammy Wynnette on the 8 track
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Well NUTS Michael! You just ruined my whole idea.
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