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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on October 27, 2006, 05:29 PM:

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on October 27, 2006, 06:33 PM:

Tim, the female invitation, or lone howl, or even better, lost pup will almost never hurt your "stand"; or set, as you call it.

You can use it several times on a fifteen minute stand. In some cases, the approaching coyotes will be coming in slower than if you used only prey distress.

Good hunting. LB

Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on October 27, 2006, 07:32 PM:

thanks for input Leonard.. Take care. Hope the fire is'nt getting any closer

Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on October 27, 2006, 08:29 PM:

Tim, the female invitation howl exists, however, I'm not convinced that we can duplicate it adequately on existing howlers. I'm not convinced that it matters.
The FIH is simply one of many lonehowls. It is relatively high-pitched, rises and then tapers off which is a non-intimidating, non-threatening howl. For our purposes it merely suggests the presence of a non-threatening stranger coyote and as such will appeal to more coyotes than an aggressive howl. Coyotes are likely tempted to investigate the unknown coyote or competitor, especially if other sounds precede or follow it.
I don't agree with your ADC trapper friend. I believe we can get more coyotes in if we trip all seven triggers which can be a little complicated. Also I don't believe in "hole cards". I believe in the presentation of all the sounds that we offer in a set sequence with coaxing sounds ending the stand. If you save your best for last you will be forced to sit silently for a length of time after you quit so that you will not leave and miss the coyote that finally responded to your "Hole card" sound.

Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on October 27, 2006, 11:43 PM:

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Posted by Cal Taylor (Member # 199) on October 28, 2006, 06:13 AM:

I recorded my pup coyote howling quite a bit this summer. I got some awesome single lone lost pup female invitation interrogation howls. Too bad all you guys bought Minaska's [Razz]

Some I kept as private stock, and some went to FoxPro.

Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on October 28, 2006, 06:22 AM:

Hey Cal,

If you need a second opinion on those sounds, I'm still using a Foxpro....

Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on October 28, 2006, 06:22 AM:

Tim hit it on the noggin. I told Rich that on the phone while I was driving out there. Here, I can not only tell you where a coyotes coming from, normally, on alot of stands, but where hes gonna stop for the shot. I call downwind alot. But, I can make my sound, with a remote, go to the coyote and my scent into the abyss while setting him up for a broadside chipshot. Its almost easier than the desert. But, thats what Im used to. Not giving them 360 deg to come in. I know you can utilize the terrain the same way out there, but its not as obvious for a hillbilly to pick up on....

Cal,
I dont have a Foxpro, or a Minaska. I can utilize MP3 sounds, should you be feeling generous with some of those sounds by email... [Wink]

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Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on October 28, 2006, 06:28 AM:

I don't really believe that a human can tell what sex that coyote is when he hears the howl. High pitched howls don't always mean female coyote. Rich Higgins is right on the mark when he advises the use of non threatening "lone" howls though.

Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on October 28, 2006, 06:31 AM:

Cal Taylor,
If your fox-pro sounds too tinny, send the sounds to me and I will use em on my Bandit. Studio quality sound reproduction is important ya see. [Smile]

Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on October 28, 2006, 08:07 AM:

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What you say Rich makes sense, but say we do trip all seven of his wires and he comes in and we end up blowing the stand. Won't we now have a coyote conditioned to these sounds and there fore make him harder to call in on a later date.

Tim, lol. That is an interesting question. [Smile]

When I set up a stand I'm focused on just getting a coyote in, not on the consequences after he escapes. If it takes 15 distress sounds and Cal's "SooperPooper Female Domain Lost Puppy Interrogation Howl" then that is what I will use.
Coyotes are proven to become habituated to certain sounds, it usually takes more than one exposure. However coyotes are very social animals and they rely on vocal communication so it is not probable that they will ignore all vocalizations. What they will do is fuss and fret for a time before investigating, which is why I stay longer on stand than most.

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How do you handle the ones that got away? Thanks

I can never know that I am handling one that got away. We have good densities down here and they are active over much of their home range. I may call a stand tonite and have coyotes approach and then call it in the morning and bring in different coyotes that were five miles away the previous evening. I may switch sounds and presentation and call in the same coyote again. I can't know.
Tyler and I treat every stand properly and carefully and hope for the best.

Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on October 28, 2006, 10:43 AM:

I don't care how you slice it. There is nobody who has studied the behaviour of coyotes more than Rich Higgins has. This includes Lehner Fulmer, Googenheimer or any of those other Government employee's. Just let one of those experts try to sleep with a dead coyote under their bunk and see how much rest they get.

Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on October 28, 2006, 11:12 AM:

[Smile]

Rich, I've breathed in so much mist that the nerve ends in my nose have been cauterized and coyote smell doesn't bother me at all. I may even smell like one now. Doesn't matter though. My first Kenpo instructor told me
"Just cause you smell like ape shit don't make you Tarzan."

Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on October 28, 2006, 02:07 PM:

James Mitose, one of the early teachers of Kempo in the United States, learned Kempo from his uncle. After several weeks of intense training, Mr. Mitose learned that he was able to break every single bone in his hand with just one sharp blow to a railroad tie. KEEEE-YIIIIII, which means Ouch that hurts when you convert it to English language.

Lord I apologize for that right up there, and please be with the starving pygmies.

Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on October 28, 2006, 03:10 PM:

I know of Master Mitose, and I've seen that breaking technique. [Smile]

However, their is a major difference between Japanese Kempo and Chinese Kenpo as taught by Master Parker. We are taught to have enough sense not to pound on boards and other hard objects that don't hit back. [Smile]

Posted by Ray E (Member # 996) on October 28, 2006, 05:54 PM:

But kempo makes gathering firewood much more entertaining

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