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Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on August 05, 2006, 08:54 AM:
Let say you are out calling and just as you are about ready to give up on a stand, you catch a glimpse of fur moving though the brush 75 yards out. You hold off for just a few more minutes and can see a coyote moving back and forth, but he's never in the open long enough for you to get a shot. He just hangs back where you can just make out bits and pieces of him in the brush.
What do you do to bring him out into the open?
Posted by varmit hunter (Member # 37) on August 05, 2006, 09:26 AM:
Tim, I know it is the oldest most used trick in the book. The lipsqueak has paid of the best for me, even when I know they have seen me. The more hung up they are. The more sparingly I use it. What ever direction he was heading when I last saw him I look ahead for a very small opening. It may just be a head shot, but it's a shot.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on August 05, 2006, 10:24 AM:
I have had some last year that would'nt come in to the squeaker. I switched to my yote buster and gave them a challange howl or just barks without the howl. got them to come out into the open for the shot. Both dogs where pretty old, one of the coyotes teeth were worn down real good, and the sec.coyote was was of good size and his ears were chewed up good.
Posted by varmit hunter (Member # 37) on August 05, 2006, 10:38 AM:
Ta17. That is my second choice with usualy the same results you have.
Posted by Greenside (Member # 10) on August 05, 2006, 10:46 AM:
Throw a rock at him?
Dennis
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 05, 2006, 12:58 PM:
In that situation, if you can do it without detection, they are a sucker for moving a short distance and calling softly. Step right out in the open and give you a stupid look.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Jrbhunter (Member # 459) on August 05, 2006, 01:53 PM:
Assuming my ventriliquism isn't up to his liking, I'd give him some challenging vocalizations. When that doesn't work- I wait him out. As he leaves calmly on his own terms I'll have the ace in my pocket (soft distress) to peak his curiosity one more time long enough for a shot. Rellocating and jumpshooting have pitiful returns for me- I give him the opportunity to die on his own terms.
PS: To further explain- if he's standing there he isn't downwind, therefor he hasn't got all the info he needs from me in order to call BS just yet. Once he has seen, heard and smelled all he needed to about the situation I'm done. So long as he is unsure about one or more of those variables I feel confident letting him work me over with crosshairs nearby.
[ August 05, 2006, 01:56 PM: Message edited by: Jrbhunter ]
Posted by Cal Taylor (Member # 199) on August 05, 2006, 02:52 PM:
Moon him......
It works every time, but it is best with a partner to shoot the coyote because it is hard to get turned back around and get a shot off with your pants down. Give it a try, and if it doesn't work I'll buy you a beer!
Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on August 05, 2006, 03:03 PM:
Cal's ace in the hole (no pun)
See all those coyotes that Cal turns in at the contests? No bullet holes. Cal doesn't turn around, he just drops his drawers and they die laughing.
Posted by keekee (Member # 465) on August 05, 2006, 03:04 PM:
I would go to coaxing sounds. Diffrent pitches, tones,volume. If that dont work I would switch to howling.
Then for a third chance, If I had a partner, And could move with out being picked off, I will change calling spots, I may move 50-100 yards to the right or left and start calling again.
Another thing I have done is move back away from the coyote, I leave the shooter at the same spot and I move away 100 yards or so and start calling again.
Brent
Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on August 05, 2006, 03:13 PM:
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Once he has seen, heard and smelled all he needed to about the situation I'm done.
Actually that isn't neccessarily true. I keep coyotes downwind of me often. The 5 coyotes that Brent and JD videoed while I "unstuck" them would hear something that intrigued them and have to stop in downwind to get a scent picture. I keep my downwind open and constantly misted so that was the only time in the heavy cover that I saw them. I was pretty sure how they were reacting to the different sounds though and I switched back and forth often enough to keep them moving in and out for the camera.
Posted by Jrbhunter (Member # 459) on August 06, 2006, 12:07 PM:
Sounds like misting works real well for you out there Rich. I've given it a few attempts with no remarkable evidence either way.
I can often call coyotes across my scent cone if I keep them turned up enough; even called them up it on many occasions but allowing them to stop and stand there is a real mood killer. I figure when they cross my wind, they smell me but either don't rationalize it coincides with the sound source or they don't care for the moment.
These summertime coyotes are really getting frustrating- they smell EVERYTHING up/down/cross wind given our current thermals and 90% humidity. I'm averaging a callup a day for the last two weeks... winded by most! This is the toughest calling I've done in years, no hangups- they're all or nothing right now.
Posted by Greenside (Member # 10) on August 07, 2006, 07:25 AM:
"Another thing I have done is move back away from the coyote, I leave the shooter at the same spot and I move away 100 yards or so and start calling again."
Bill Austin mentioned something similiar to that on his college tapes. Just turn the caller 180 and lower the volume on some howls. Gives the impression the coyote is moving away. Not sure if it'll work at 75 yards?
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 07, 2006, 10:14 AM:
Dennis. I was doing that 40 years ago, never read it in a book or a tape, it just seemed like a semi logical solution? No guarantees, but it does work enough that when you are ready to give up, it's worth a try. In fact, I have a speaker mounted under the rear bumper that I can switch on, any time I want whereas most of the time, I use one mounted behind the front grill. So, I agree that it seems to work differently than just turning down the volume, with the sound pointed in the animal's direction. Don't really know why? I have also seen video of Gerald hunting off his Suburban's roof, and he swings the speaker in different directions just like the spotlight. Maybe it sounds like it is carried by the wind?
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Greenside (Member # 10) on August 07, 2006, 11:14 AM:
Leonard
I've always wondered why those electronic guys don't mount their callers on some sort of turntable? They can power decoys and such from the units. With a 180 oscillation you'd think they would come in contact with more coyote? In fact if I ever buy one of those fancy callers, I might just forget about the remote and use it the same way I do hand calls. Back and forth.
Dennis
Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on August 09, 2006, 05:50 AM:
This is kinda simple and some may laugh, but I have used an old turkey huntin trick to unstick coyotes a few times. It may not work for the desert, but it HAS worked in the brush a few times. Just reach down and rustle some leaves. That has worked for me a couple times on coyotes and lots of times on turkeys....
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 09, 2006, 09:44 AM:
Yeah, it works.
I scuff my boots on gravel, kick up pebbles, or swat brush and break some sticks. You don't realize how much they are (suddenly) paying attention, until you see the eyes, at night.
It's amazing to me that some people are so lacking in creativity that they never think of these things, (solutions) on their own.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on August 09, 2006, 10:02 AM:
In my typical setup, I have an electronic caller set out about 25 yards from me. From time to time, I get a coyote come in and just stand or pace back and forth, looking at the bush with the caller in it, but for what ever reason brush is blocking a clear shot at him.
I use my voice to squall like a barn cat in heat. It's always worked great for me, coyotes and bobcats both can't seem to resist stepping out and taking a look for the squalling cat.
Posted by PAyotehunter (Member # 764) on August 11, 2006, 06:50 PM:
I just pull my secret weapon out of my pack. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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