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smoke em
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posted February 09, 2006 05:05 AM
What is the most number of stands you have done in one day.Now I know someone is going to jump on me and say"stands don't count, kills do" but that is not what I am after,just want to get an idea of how many stands different technics and territories allow. Best here was 35 one time but was a heck of a hard day.required a written plan ,in the right territory and a designated drop driver,before dawn til after sunset on the run .
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posted February 09, 2006 05:23 AM
I dont know what the most stands I have ever made is. But, I do know that it had to come from AZ. We have been in the teens in stand count several times, although I dont know the exact numbers.
Around here its hard to get alot of stands in. Mainly because of all the private land with no hunting. I have one "huge" area in one tract to call here, but at best, its good for 3-4 good stands. Then you gotta go somewhere else. Alot of times a pretty good distance away. Its hard to put together really good calling areas that are close. Too many folks wont let you hunt. And, if you got 1000 acres, which is a big farm here, chances are most is open crop or pasture land and your lucky to be able to make 3 productive stands on it.
Probably wont get any world records for number of stands made. Calling is pretty good, I think, but you gotta travel so much, its hard to put together a spectacular day of calling.
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posted February 09, 2006 06:53 AM
ditto what Andy said, my area is the same way. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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posted February 09, 2006 07:48 AM
Average day- 5 stands
Hard day- 10 stands
During the Indiana Predator Challenge- 20+
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Leonard
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posted February 09, 2006 09:19 AM
I try to do three per hour. If you figure ten hours of daylight at this latitude, in ten hours you should get in close to twenty stands. There has to be a good reason to hump it like that, big contest, etc.
Otherwise, I'll do three hours at first light and knock off until mid afternoon. That should give you about fifteen quality stands? Seeing a lot of animals will slow you down on the number of stands but not the body count.
I look for good, but poor quality two tracks in uninterupted cover where I can drive for a long distance. If you have good area, you can basically just stop every half mile.
I will say one thing. Quit looking for the perfect stand and look for a good drive. This advice don't mean a thing for those with 1000 acre farms seeking permission, but in National Forest and BLM, you need to get out and hunt rather than driving through prime ara that doesn't look good enough to you.
You can scout for scat and tracks and prey animals and all that but the best way to find out if it holds predators is to get out of the truck and call it. That's exactly how I discovered something about bobcats, for instance. During some parts of the year, they will be here, and other times, (big surprise) they will be there!
There are many things you will learn from calling in places that you are not 100% sold on, just because you are wasting time by driving through it. As long as you are there, give these semi appealing locations a chance, even if it's a short stand. Always be willing to shift gears.
Good hunting. LB
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posted February 09, 2006 01:57 PM
My area is a lot like you find in IA. Ag tracts with coyote pockets interposed here and there. You pretty much walk in a ways, call, go back to the truck and move on. On a good day, I may put in 1.5 stands an hour. Therefore, mid-teens is a pretty aggressive day.
In the sandhills where you have continuous cover ground and can do what leonard calls a walkabout, you can do three an hour and rack up the stands pretty well.
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posted February 09, 2006 02:54 PM
About twenty stands in a day is pretty well the best that I have done. Seldom do less than twelve, if I'm out for the full day.
To me more stands equals more killing. I feel that there is a correlation between the number of stands you make and the number of coyotes you see. This may not hold true on any given day but I feel that it does over the long haul.
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posted February 09, 2006 03:08 PM
Twenty stands is a pretty good day for us also. Leonard thats a pretty good tip about just getting out and calling instead of looking for that perfect stand, sometimes I have a hard time doing that.
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posted February 09, 2006 04:53 PM
Here in Iowa I try to concentrate on early morning calls and never make more than three to five stands. We have found out that is difficult to call out a predator in the nest with a full stomach. I'm not saying its impossible, but just harder. I start calling in the evenings and probably average two to three stands before dark. As my mother used to say, be good like me!
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posted February 09, 2006 05:04 PM
Out west here, I think the rule of thumb at least for me is the more stands you can make in a day the more coyotes you will call and ultimately kill.
For me it is very rare to stay on a stand for much more than 15 minutes.
In a morning of calling 10 or 12 stands from daylight to aroud 11 am.
18 to 20+ stands if I call all day long(daylight to dark).
I think the most stands I have ever made in one full day of calling is 22 or 23.
Good Hunting Chad
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posted February 09, 2006 05:17 PM
After twenty+ stands, it's all just a blur. I can't remember a damned thing; I'm not even sure how many are in the back? That's a full days work, for any man. But, if some of these guys don't have open range like Chad or Albert or me, or your own ranch, like Jeremy, it gets pretty hard to do.
Good hunting. LB
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posted February 09, 2006 05:27 PM
No question about that Leonard.It usually takes me a couple day to re-coup after a full day of calling.LOL
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posted February 09, 2006 05:29 PM
Smoke Em,
It depends on where I go.
On this side of the hill I might get 2-5, all an hour or two long.
On the east side, I try to get a minimum of 15 out of a day (in early fall or spring, in the winter the days are just too short).
I used to put too many stands too close together, now I walk a lot farther, to fewer stands, then go back to the truck and go to new areas (I am learning where, on my HUGE tracts of (way over-used) public lands, nobody else goes as time goes by).
If I can call coyotes from over a mile away, shouldn't I move more than a mile between stands?
In the jungle, I might have to walk five miles between call-able locations, it's not about how far they can hear you it's about where you can see them (and use all the other factors invovled in a stand to your own advantage, without giving too many up, it's almost always a trade off).
I've been doing my own style of S&S too, Sitting in Silence, and not bothering to scare overcalled critters away by calling, and just waiting to see if I see something (like a deer hunter).
Doesn't seem to be any more or less productive than before, I just worry about doing something wrong a lot less.
I am glad "kills don't count" this time, otherwise I can't play along. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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posted February 09, 2006 10:20 PM
Krusty brought an interesting question, that to me relates to the number of stands in a day.
"If I can call coyotes from over a mile away, shouldn't I move more than a mile between stands?"
My answer is not necessarily. In a coyote "rich"
environment I feel it is well worth your while to make your stands much closer together. Last sunday we made three stands. From first to the last was still under a mile and we killed a coyote on every stand.
Because of the proximity of each stand we killed three coyotes in little more than an hour.From the time we left the truck on the first stand until we returned on the third. (I believe the total time was about 70 minutes).
I believe that Leonard was the first one that told me to do this, but it is just starting to sink in.
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posted February 10, 2006 04:09 AM
leonard, A blur is a perfect description of those days,I also should haved added the 35 stand day was probably the worst calling in one day I have ever had. .The best I ever had was 14 call stands in a row that brought coyotes in,killed nearly that many but had a few bounce off without an opportunity.Wind suddenly came up and blew us out so don't know if that string could have continued a few more.Have quizzed a few professional callers and have not had anyone match 14.It was incredible and may never see it again. The previous year had called the same area at a different time and blew 60 some call stands and couldn't get a coyote to come to save our butt.Think there were a number of things contributing to their reluctance.Threw everything at them but the kitchen sink.Me and my calling partner went into an immmediate state of severe depression , but are slowly recovering.
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Krustyklimber
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posted February 10, 2006 10:05 AM
Albert,
Leonard is the one who lead me to this question, so you and I are obviously picking up conflicting information from the same source... probably because we each take what works for us (or seems like it might, in my case), in our own areas and situations (which are very very different).
I don't live or hunt in a coyote rich environment, it's a coyote poverty zone.
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posted February 10, 2006 04:37 PM
Here's the deal, K. I don't remember what it was I said that gave you a bum steer, but what Albert is talking about is; when you get into animals (which you don't) but when (he) gets into animals, don't drive out of the area....slow down, choke up your stands and saturate it, low volume, but decrease the distances between stands and work it with a fine tooth comb.
Now, in your case, that's not a good idea to make three stands in three quarters of a mile, especially if you average one coyote per square mile; or whatever it is? There is nothing there, hunt it as close as you like but you are still calling dead stuff? I don't remember telling you to do something like that, habitually? But, if you see someplace to apply it, do it.
Good huting. LB
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posted February 10, 2006 05:08 PM
Leonard,
There you go telling secrets again. Are you sure you want to tell what to do on those days that everything is running?
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posted February 10, 2006 05:51 PM
Too late, Tim. Just like Scott. Normally close mouthed, but occasionally will drop an absolute jewel.
Most would do well to pay attention.
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posted February 10, 2006 05:57 PM
well, we can shut down the site now... Leonard just spilled all the beans....
5 - 15 minutes on a stand.... which would equate to Leonards 2 to 3 stands per hour.... distance between stands depends on the day...
I know it would be different if hunting the ozarks or north to DesMoines.... yet... if one were laying steel in those pastures one might be surprised how close they are in regard to crow flights.... but getting permission is getting harder all the time...
Even in the land of public lands... there is alot that is difficult to get to...
Good luck everyone...
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posted February 10, 2006 07:01 PM
Well, I guess I'll just change my homepage to the dark side since this one's done run out of new stuff to share. Those boys need some serious booklearnin'.
Last one out, turn out the light.
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posted February 10, 2006 07:14 PM
Yeah, let's go there and square those boys away! You first, you hair lipped..... (how'd that go, again?)
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posted February 10, 2006 07:22 PM
"misbred hare-lipped idiot"
I wanna thank you again for helping me to get that distinction. Proud moment for my dad.
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posted February 10, 2006 07:36 PM
Leonard,
Don't worry, you're not slippin', and tellin' me stuff and forgettin' about it.
Like Rich says, if a guy reads everything, he'll often find a jewel, or what I call a "golden nugget of wisdom".
Something small, and trivially placed, yet to the finder very valuable.
You mentioned in passing, a long time ago, we might be calling coyotes from as far as a mile away... the context, and the turn of the conversation, was how long to wait for them to reach you (if in earshot).
In this case you didn't leave a nugget of wisdom, but lead me to a question. My question more applies to "western" calling, in the scablands, than it does jungle calling.
I understand Albert's situation a little, why go to the other end of the lake, if the fish are biting here...
There, now you guys don't have to go to the Dark Side, which is a good thing, I'd miss ya (they won't even let me join).
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posted February 10, 2006 07:48 PM
Leonard,
Actually after re-reading your reply, I think there are times and places (maybe even moreso in the jungle) I can benefit from keeping my stands closer together, staying on stand a bit longer, using lower volumes, and really really watching.
These are the places, tactics, and conditions, when I have called cats and bears.
It's not a bobcat rich environment, but I have called six times as many (bobcats as coyotes) in the jungle (6:1).
I realize for most people the coyote is the subject of discussion, but for myself cats are the most likely respondents.
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