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Posted by RedRabbit (Member # 796) on February 05, 2006, 03:02 PM:
I've hiked in on coyotes over simi frozen snow covered CRP fields in my hiking boots, and it sucked "BIGTIME", so then I bought some high tech snowshoes they work great, as far as better than just boots go, cause they are loud. Now Im considering some cross country skis to get around on these coyotes. Has anyone tried these tools for coyote hunting for these conditions? Im sure they'er alot quieter than snowshoes.
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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 05, 2006, 05:38 PM:
I've never worried about noise, from rocks and gravel, leaves and twigs, or crusty snow. I just give them a few minutes of silence and they seem to forget about the footsteps. I guess it depends on how hard they are pressured? Remote areas, or populated areas, I don't think they necessarily run from sounds like that? Except in Kansas, of course.
Good hunting. LB
edit: let me clarify. I only mean when there is no other way. All things being equal, it's better to be as quiet as possible.
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Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on February 05, 2006, 06:46 PM:
![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
We just have smarter, more conservative red state coyotes up this way that don't fall for just anything. But you can keep talking 'cause every time you make that statement - or one like it - another couple dents pop out of my fragile ego.
Posted by 2dogs (Member # 649) on February 05, 2006, 06:54 PM:
In my hunt area, noise is the biggest [Foe] to overcome[cursed loud snow ![[Mad]](mad.gif)
]. Once they pinpoint the noise[duh!]. They [almost]never take their eye's off of that direction.
Of course I'm talking, 1-sq mile land sections. As well as a tad-pressured .
Callin, "these" coyotes. Just don't cut-it either ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
.
Crawling, on my hands & lower legs. Greatly diminish's the crunch ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
, during a stalk . Almost noiseless, if ya go real slow .
mortar rd-dogs
Posted by albert (Member # 98) on February 05, 2006, 08:33 PM:
old fashioned wooden snowshows are the way to go they are way quiter than the high tech ones. harder to find but they are considerably cheaper also.
Posted by RedRabbit (Member # 796) on February 05, 2006, 09:40 PM:
Leonard, I do let the dogs cool off regardless of the conditions, but I feel 2dogs pretty much hit the nail on the head when he "said cursed loud snow, tad pressured and more or less close quarter dogs". I could also safely assume that in this one area Im hunting that would be the case, and since Ive missed a few times, Iv'e just given these dogs a PHD in Strange Danger ( shame on me ) I suffer form a condition what is known as "Coyote Fever" its not uncommon though, and Im getting control of it. LOL....Albert, Ive been on a few other snowshoes and then I bought these $200 pair MSR shoes and they'er great for what they were intended to do, you can climb pretty steep suff and flotation is real good on froze over snow, but Im sure the makers of snowshoes did't take hunters needs into acct., so I was just wondering If someone had tried cross country skis, as I have found some Karhu winter treking skis that are a hybrid snowshoe (with a binding that allows the use of hunting boots) except that they have an attribute of a ski. So anyway keep it comming I like to here your take.. If you want check these skis out tell me what you think of them...www.karhu.com...put cursor over "gear" a pull down menu will appear and hit "winter treking" take a look something to think about.
Posted by 2dogs (Member # 649) on February 06, 2006, 05:02 AM:
Met an old coyote spot/stalker 2 Winter's ago. Pretty cool old guy. Gave him a couple coyotes, I had laying in the truckster.
Anyway, that same Winter. 1dog & I came across him stalking a coyote 1/2 mile out. Old guy was wearing wooden shoes, treking Westward towards his target. Both, parallel, along the 1/2 mile East/West fenceline.
Coyote was 1/4 mile West, of him & maintained that distance. We watched him stalk the coyote from a 1/2 mile away on the roadway. Old guy, never paused, but walked slowly & methodically. Coyote knew he was coming .
Coyote maintained that distance continously as the old hunter came closer. Everytime, the old guy neared the crest of the next hill. The coyote would be in the next valley, standing there looking back East. Sometimes he'd sit & wait for the old guy to draw near . We both thought, this cat/mouse game was amusing.
Coyote, lived another day.
Posted by smoke em (Member # 785) on February 06, 2006, 05:08 PM:
too bad that old guy didn't shoot that coyote if he was within 1/4 mile.440 yds down hill is a good shot for most high velocity centerfires off of a rest. (bipod or sticks)I wouldn't bet that old guy didn't end up killing him. Those old timers knew more than many of the rest will ever know,I hunted with a number of them. what they knew never ceased to amaze me.Unfortunately ,I have now become the old timer as most of them have passed away.
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Posted by 2dogs (Member # 649) on February 06, 2006, 05:45 PM:
That coyote always stayed out of sight, over the next hump. That old guy was grizzled. He was the type, to take a carcass from a starving Wolverine ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
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He was a shooter as well. Seen him, smack a coyote running flat-out @ 200yrds broadside. With his old 22-250. Coyote rolled 3 1/2 times. I don't doubt, he couldn't hit one @ 1/4 mile.
Posted by Mert Bargenquast (Member # 772) on February 06, 2006, 07:41 PM:
Around here in Western Iowa most of the hunting is done with numerous pickup trucks on the road and in the field in what we call (Rodeo Hunters). There have been collisions, rollovers, wrecks, running through fences, jumping terraces, shooting by Farm houses and by sledding children. There main goal is to keep the body shops and mechanics schedules full. The thing that torques us the most is they really get the farmers peed off. Every year they lose more farms to hunt on but it makes no difference because most of the time they don't ask anyway. I'm not saying that I'm perfect, but any bad habits that I have aquired sure don't compare to theirs. The old way of spot and stalk has just about diminished around here. I have killed hundreds and hundreds of fox and coyotes in the nest and also flushing them off of terraces and out of ditches by myself. I have also missed my share. This year has been a blessing because of only one substancial snow. Simply putting it this way, they won't hunt without good snow cover. I have been seeing more coyotes since the Rodeo, so called hunters, haven't been out much and I have been loving it. I have killed 15 coyotes and missed 8 not including one wounded this afternoon. Not too bad for a nearly 60 year old fart like me. I have killed almost all of them on the run and several over the 300 yard mark and that is paced yardage. There are still a few good hunters around but we are all getting old. I love to get out in the field and walk and stalk, but sometimes have to take a few short-cuts. I also call, but I am a long ways from being good at it. So farmers let the good guys in to hunt and say bye-bye to the coybows unless they park there picked-e-ups and want to take a stroll. THAT'S ALL FOLKS!
Posted by Mert Bargenquast (Member # 772) on February 06, 2006, 07:45 PM:
Sorry for mispelling cowboys.
Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on February 06, 2006, 08:16 PM:
Mert,
Well written, I couldn't agree more.
Posted by RedRabbit (Member # 796) on February 06, 2006, 09:56 PM:
Finally! I got a coyote today at around 4:00 pm I spent all day out on this foot hill, bench over looking a huge thicket that runs 2 or more mile lenght. no luck early on, so I got up and looked behind me an saw my ski pole shining like a becon I thought that might be my problem, Duh! so then I hiked around the back side catywack from where I was 200 yrds max. looking down a draw I set my poles down and pressed them into the frozen snow with my snowshoes. did some lone howls, then challenge howls then took the mouthpiece from both howlers and blew wavering sounds simultaneously on the tip of the red desert, and hot dog mouthpiece I did'nt think anything would show up, but the sound was interesting to me, so I kept it up on and off for 30 min, then she came in at the corner of my eye, over the ridge 50 yards....BANG FLOP! I thought she looked good from 50 yrds, but she look like here belly hair was worn, but with closer inspection she was just wet from crossing the creek. I heard them howling over there across the creek, earlier when I first set up. she came from a long ways. Good pale silvery coyote....
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Posted by smoke em (Member # 785) on February 07, 2006, 02:16 PM:
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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 07, 2006, 03:39 PM:
Imposters, you say? I thought we were either frat boys or pampass know it alls?
Good hunting. LB
Posted by smoke em (Member # 785) on February 07, 2006, 04:40 PM:
leonard, I am sure you are not an imposter,frat boy or know it all.,the guys like you who are the real deal won't take offense, the rest will probably be all over me, thanks
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on February 07, 2006, 05:09 PM:
Where do we pimps and hos fit into the mix?!? ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 08, 2006, 08:14 AM:
Smokem, I have a "radar" that detects wannabes. Seriously, we have a very high percentage of kick ass coyote hunters on HM.
In fact, one of the problems here is that the neophite is sometimes too intimidated to participate. They worry about asking a stupid question; but in my opinion, the only stupid question is the one, unasked?
Good hunting. LB
Posted by scruffy (Member # 725) on February 08, 2006, 09:04 AM:
Smokem, I'm looking forward to learning from your knowledge as I have others on this site. Don't be a stranger around here, I hope you post more and more often! I'm always interested to hear the "oldtimers" stories and experiences. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
later,
scruffy
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Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on February 08, 2006, 04:43 PM:
I'm kinda disappointed. Here comes ol' smoke em all but saying the rest of us don't know anything about hunting coyotes compared to him and his spot and stalk buddies, and nobody has anything to say? Did Scott wear you all out on the pimps and ho's thread, or what? I know that there are a bunch of HM'ers sitting on their fingers doing everything they can to keep from being the first to say anything back.
I may not spot and stalk, and I have as much trouble or more with the rodeo hunters as you Ioway boys do, but I'll say it out loud: Why in the hell would anyone walk clear out there to shoot at that coyote when, with a little bit more smarts, you can make him do all the legwork and come to you? If you're a good spot and stalker but don't profess to being a decent caller, don't let us stop you from striving to reach your true potential. All you have to do is ask, We'll teach you how to hunt coyotes. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 08, 2006, 04:55 PM:
Hey Lance. Are you "being all over" him?
Good hunting. LB
PS I know things are different, depending on which rural area you call home. A)I know that a coyote that is shot at all the time from the road will be hard to call. B)I think it does require a special skill to sneak up on any predator. In some cases, because of A), perhaps the most productive way to kill coyotes is by stalking? I don't know? But, I doubt it will ever reach that level, out west. Thankfully, there are many coyotes and not very many hunters of any stripe.
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on February 08, 2006, 05:52 PM:
Nope, and I won't be baited into an agreement over his value to the sport. If he wants to think that he's "all that", the so be it. Maybe he needs to find a board that panders exclusively to the spot and stalk crowd.
In any event, if he's an S&S'er, he has the staying downwind part down, he knows how to make his approach unseen, and he claims to be able to shoot. Now, if her could just learn to call them to him and dispense with all that unnecessary walking, he could say that he's made it. Something tells me he just won't commit though. After all, isn't the objective to get the coyote? Why take a less than optimal three digit range shot when the ability is there to bring that animal to within an easy double digit distance? Does it honestly make me less of a hunter than the ol' timers because I'm smart enough to call them to me rather than walking all that way to them? Just don't get that one. Can't think of any legendary spot and stalkers either. Now, how many legendary callers can we name? Anyone? Oh well. Not losing sleep over it.
Posted by RedRabbit (Member # 796) on February 08, 2006, 06:05 PM:
Cdog911, I agree with your statment. I dont profess to be a great yote killer, but I can confidently say that Iam dam good at calling even though those yotes have given me a callers complex from time to time...I have only stalked one coyote ever. (she just would'nt come to my calls) and I only got to within 150yrds of her. There was a good stiff wind a howlin and fresh snow a foot deep. She look like she was taking a nap but every minute or so she would look around. I wont say how many times I shot with my single shot chasing after her, over several ridges. I can't say any more about this. The story doesn't do justice to the actual experience. My old man used to say "only belive in half of what you hear" I belive some people you can only take what they say with a grain of salt especially if its too good to be true. Its like heres my embellished story prove me wrong....Some stories stink of BS and some just stink and make me laugh...I think ole Mert up there has some truth to his story, but alot of it made me laugh. Some just pour on the butter real thick I guess.
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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 08, 2006, 06:19 PM:
Lance, we know the technology exists, and a million coyotes have been called and killed. I think the spot and stalk crowd is reacting to a condition where it is (they think) impossible to call a coyote in the open fields of the midwest because everybody has a hand call or a fox pro, and everybody is throwing lead at every coyote they see, half a mile away. Coyotes run the other way when they hear the rabbit blues.
You know, like I saw lst year, in western Kansas?
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on February 08, 2006, 06:36 PM:
Maybe so, and I hunt in exactly the same conditions that those guys endure, but no one here does spot and stalk. It's either callers, or dog wagons. And it may be tough here, but the coyotes are still callable. I've been blessed this year and have approximately 20X more than anyone else in this area, but those other guys only understand the most very basic aspects of the game. Matt hunted with that crowd for a while, then made his way to my camp. He has earned my trust and he knows the penalties of divulging certain secrets of my methods, but he even acknowledged the obvios evidence and benefit of taking time to learn about the coyote. Rich Cronk calls coyotes in that country fine and dandy. What's the difference between what Rich does and what smoke em does. Is smoke em a better coyote hunter than Cronk? Or just better at the way he chooses to hunt?
Having said that, I have no problem with S&S or them being proud of their ability to perform in that venue. My problem, if you wanna call it that, is the delivery that was used. If you wanna make excuses about tough to call coyotes, don't tell me about it. Same thing about all the eastern callers, with eastern being east of I-35. You'd just be calling to the choir here. LOL
Posted by RedRabbit (Member # 796) on February 08, 2006, 07:04 PM:
I call here in SE Idaho. that one yote I stalked was a fluke, as it is not conducive to stalk at all ie. mountain foot hills, ridges and draws are rediculous not to mention the gradual slope up into these canyons and now forzen snow you fall through every step. I just cant belive some people can do that out East. I suppose if there wernt any snow but even at that it sure isnt giving the coyote any credit. they'er pretty dam keen out this way (snow, or no snow) The only reason I go as far in is becase I want to be in their territory, where nobody goes and the yotes feel safe to some degree.
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Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on February 08, 2006, 07:45 PM:
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Why take a less than optimal three digit range shot when the ability is there to bring that animal to within an easy double digit distance?
For the challenge.
But I'm not into Spot and Stalk. I like to spot and shoot. Some of those three digit shots can take a lot of homework to make.
If you want a fun challenge, just come on out and we'll try for a coyote in the four digit range!
Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on February 08, 2006, 08:04 PM:
Lance,
As a rock climber, I was often asked "why don't you just take the trail to the top?" instead of expending so much more effort (and risking the danger), to climb the cliff.
I think spot and stalk is similar to climbing, you do it because it's hard, and the harder it is, the "harder" you can claim to be.
Isn't what Q does a modified version of spot and stalk/shoot? (I never did get a copy of the "Hunting with Q" article)
Krusty 
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on February 08, 2006, 08:12 PM:
Tim,
I can understand the challenge aspect of stalking. Again, to each his own. But to come here and question the credibility of callers who frequent this site is, frankly, in poor form. Just my .02.
K-
No. In fact Q doesn't really do spot and stalk. Q does a leap frog style of calling into country his experience tells him holds coyotes. If he sees one, he'll move to get a clear shot, but there is only the occasional stalk. At least, until he gets to within his safe range. But he's not spotting them, and then trying to get close enough to count coup on them. He's out there to kill coyotes. Plain and simple. And he doesn't drive around looking for a target first. Doesn't need to. That's where knowing the coyotes comes in handy.
Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on February 08, 2006, 08:51 PM:
Lance,
I don't have a clue what it is that Q actually does (even after you tell me he plays leap frog???), and I didn't mean to imply he drove around looking for them.
I won't accuse him of running them over (again) either.
I just thought it was so wide open where he hunted that he was often able to see them at extreme distances, sometimes moved closer, used his rangefinder and did the math, and killed them (spot and shoot?).
To me, out here in the jungle, that's what it sounds S&S boys do? Like RedRabbit, the whole concept is so foreign to me, that I have little or no comprehension.
I think the true reality for Q is, HAVING coyotes, as much as knowing them, and living in a place that's conducive to killing them (he'd get his ass handed to him here, but that's a whole different debate ).
So you're telling me he kills umpteen jillion coyotes on foot (as in no truck)?
Now, I am even more confused.
Krusty
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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 08, 2006, 10:48 PM:
K, Quinton does what I call a "walkabout" as they might say down under. He has sandhills, it's not flat, he sets up prone on a high spot and calls coyotes. I haven't figured out exactly what he does with them, but he forges onward? Maybe he backtracks to pick them up? I think he saves them, frozen, whole body until it warms up to skin them? He has complained about flushing coyotes in front of him, but I don't believe he spots and stalks, at all?
I like to do a "walkabout" into roadless areas, kind of a circle, but hardly more than a hour or two because it eats up too much time walking. However, it can be very productive when you get into a high animal population. Just pick one mountain and hunt the base all the way around.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by smoke em (Member # 785) on February 09, 2006, 04:38 AM:
cdog, I think I have heard rich cronk mention your name,you know him?Great guy.
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Posted by smoke em (Member # 785) on February 09, 2006, 04:52 AM:
.Red rabbit,concerning mert,I know him and there is not one thing he said that is not true, I have seen him do it again and again.He is one of the two best on the run shots I have ever seen.I wish I were as good.I try not to be intimidated by someone who can outshoot me.I just hope he is close when I miss. bybyby
Posted by 2dogs (Member # 649) on February 09, 2006, 05:53 AM:
smoke'em,
You hit the nail on the head[as for calling] in 1 sq mile sections around here. She's a tough go for sure.
I went callin, atleast 35x [minimum], before I ever seen one come in[it was worth it ]. Still to this day, other than one coyote. The rest of them hung way out & kept moving.
As for spot/stalking, there's only one other person. In my area, that does that. That's the "old guy". He fare's well .
Again, you hit the nail on the head.
Posted by scruffy (Member # 725) on February 09, 2006, 08:00 AM:
quote:
The only reason I go as far in is becase I want to be in their territory, where nobody goes and the yotes feel safe to some degree.
Since we're talking about nailing people on the head, I think Red nailed it on the head with the above statement.
I've had much better success sneaking into their "home" and calling them. They are more likely to respond and respond in such a way that I get a 25-150 yard shot when the calling volume is "natural". Also, "confidence" sounds like Gerald has suggested like crows and such playing while the distress is playing has really helped me this year. I noticed this when the real crows were going and my success was better so recently I started having crows going with the distress on my ecaller and thus far has worked very well.
later,
scruffy
Posted by RedRabbit (Member # 796) on February 09, 2006, 08:20 AM:
Smoke em, like I said Im sure there is some truth to his story. I did'nt question his shooting ability, the posibility that there might be an abundance of coyotes in the area he hunts, etc. There are coyotes that wonder around and cohabitate with humans in the cities of Canada to a degree that S&S might be a viable method. Here in Idaho I have permission to hunt some pretty green coyotes that dont get too much pressure except for an occational drive by shooting from the road, or snowmobile, or rancher that might take a poke from time to time. That would be enough to make the coyote avoid humans as much as he can, furthermore for the coyote Idaho is coyote heaven, as the food is abundant, cover fits his camo exactly and the terrain is difficult, they are very hard to pick out and get to without being busted to allow very much if any S&S. Ive been so humbled by this animals keen senses and adaptability that I find it hard to buy into the S&S method to the degree he mentioned. I just dont belive that there comming out of the ground like rabbits durring their cyclic period to make such hunting permissible ie "hundreds and hundreds taken over the course of etc, ect....You can polish Mert's barrel to a chrome finish all you want, its ok I understand, its nothing to be ashamed of, but for God's sake you dont have to do it in front of everyone....
Posted by scruffy (Member # 725) on February 09, 2006, 09:51 AM:
I do have to say something on S&S (as it's now being refered to), 2dogs, on a good day with the right conditions for spotting will see the number of coyotes I see in a month or two of calling in my area. And if the conditions are right for stalking he'll get a good number of them.
Unfortunately the number of days this winter with the right conditions for spotting has been few, and the days with the right conditions for stalking have been really few. Possibly none? It's been a bad winter, too warm, very little good snow, alot of days with refroze snow/ice on the ground or no snow cover at all.
It's not been a good S&S year, and up until two weeks ago it's been really slow calling also since the end of November. But it's finally starting to pick up on the calling end. And it's finally cold and it snowed tuesday morning, and we have sporatic predictions of more small amounts of snow falling, so maybe the S&S'ing will pick up as well.
To each their own. Get em any way you can.
later,
scruffy
Posted by 2dogs (Member # 649) on February 09, 2006, 10:15 AM:
This has been my worst yr for S/S or callin. Had'em coming out my carcass-crack awhile back. Of course the snow was loud ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
Couldn't get closer than a [1/4mile or so] that was it.
Heck they'd hear my truck driving slowly down the road a mile away. Naw! they don't know anyone is coming
Except for that one, I got up on & missed @ 70ft [shallow fluff snow]. Pathetic, yah I know, LOL!
Spotted 2 the other day, during a shallow snow. Watched one for 5-min. He about bedded down but changed his mind. Then he moved onto [non-hunting land]. Coulda got on top of him, but the force was agin me .
The other seen me long way out & kicked on the burners, gone.
Shoulda never banished, "wooly"...Scruff. LOL!
No big whoop, huntin is huntin, eh.
Posted by scruffy (Member # 725) on February 09, 2006, 10:23 AM:
Poor wooly.
Edit, you'll like this story 2dogs, I agreed to call for a guy on his deer hunting land this coming saturday. He originally said he wanted to see how to call coyotes. The last time I talked to him (a chemist) he said he has "some ideas" on how to setup and call them. Eh???? Oh well, I looked the maps over of the place, east property line is 440 yards west and running parallel to a very busy 4 lane highway with a 2 lane highway on the south side of it. The south side of the prop is picked corn with houses east and west. The the north 2/3 of the prop is thick timber with the timber heading back in for a mile.
I have a sneaking suspicion in his head a tree stand and 30-06 are going to be involved in the hunt, but that's just a hunch. I was thinking ecaller and shotguns and setting up back in the timber myself, but what do I know...
Temps will be in the teens and 15+mph winds are predicted. Hmmmmm, I maybe feeling my bronchitis coming back....
I'm planning on calling him tonight, getting the skinny on "his ideas". If they don't sound plausible I'm not dragging my sorry sickly recovering carcass out into a cold windy frigid field.
Maybe I'll ask him "hey, I want to do some chemistry experiments. Can you help me?" And when he says yes I'll say "Great, I have a bunch of ideas I want to try, I just need all of your stuff." and see what he does...
later,
scruffy
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Posted by 2dogs (Member # 649) on February 09, 2006, 11:08 AM:
Scruff,
Be wary of people with large brains...A large ego, generally follow's close behind
code interpretation = educated idiot. LOL!
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If ya go & get one. Have him drag it back. It's called "education" I'm sure he'll be for it
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Posted by scruffy (Member # 725) on February 09, 2006, 12:08 PM:
yea, he's a really nice guy, just needs to let go of the reins sort of speak and let someone show him the basics before jumping in...
edit: after some thought, when I talk to him tonight, given the temps in the teens, winds 15+mph, windchill around 0, cloudy, I'm going to tell him it's 12 gauges and timber or rescheduling. We'll just move slowly north until we run out of property with permission, calling softly, try to get a close coyote, on our last stand turn up the volume for 30 seconds and then turn it back down to try and pull a coyote across the property line and in for a shot. If he doesn't want to call like that, given the conditions, lay of the land, etc we'll have to reschedule to a nicer day.
Why does calling have to be so complicated sometimes?
later,
scruffy
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Posted by Mert Bargenquast (Member # 772) on February 09, 2006, 04:21 PM:
I didn't say anything about not calling coyotes. Our problem here is the amount of hunting going on in the area and not just varmint hunting. We start with early bow & muzzleloading deer season, then we move on to early shotgun season and then to late shotgun and muzzleloading season. Then they throw in two more does only seasons besides turkey, pheasant, quail, and small game. The best varmint calling is before this all takes place. We also have to contend with the crops in the field for our early coyote calling. After everyone has run through our mostly one mile square sections a couple of dozen times and kicked up the coyotes and peppering at them with slugs and bird shot, the coyotes tend to ge a education. I'm not saying that these critters can't be called in, but it is alot more difficult. If we just primarily relied on calling, we would'nt get very many kills. Until you have hunted or called in the area that we live in, don't be so critical about our methods of hunting coyotes. I have been at this for 46 years and know a little bit about what is going on. I know Richard Cronk personally and I would bet that he has experienced many of the things that I have been jabbering about. I am not just an average coyote hunter and I am not bragging that I am the best in the world, but just very concerned about the way that some hunters ruin the sport.
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on February 09, 2006, 04:32 PM:
Mert,
Gotta say that I agree with you all the way around. Sounds like you're describing Kansas. Add in the road hunters that take pot shots at everything, and you've pretty much described things around here, too. In fact, I found bird shot in the hindquarters of at least half the coyotes I peeled this season.
My partner asked me yesterday if I thought we'd do any good in a contest hunt hunting our area in the late season. Told him I wouldn't waste the entry fee if all I had to hunt was our area. I'd rather hunt better country blindfolded than my area late season on a good day anytime. If I'm gonna handicap myself, I might as well try to help myself out a little bit.
Tell ya what... Apparantly there's been a misinterpretation of statements made on my part. So,... I won't get rubbed the wrong way if you don't. Deal?
Posted by 2dogs (Member # 649) on February 09, 2006, 04:54 PM:
I hear ya, Mert. Nail on the head again.
Obviously the State, cater's to the Deer Hunter folks.[Big money, ya know]
Wouldn't surprise me, some day. If "Deer Season" wasn't 24/7, 365. [More money, for the Brass]...Go figure.
Which leads me back to cranking off mortar rd's after coyotes. As my callin stands, often bite the big pickle. I've only called in 2 this Winter[if memory serve's me correctly]. Out of a boatload of callin set-ups.
I know their fellow hunters. But I don't have any interest in "them" or "their quarry" Only how "it" affects the local coyotes, is all.
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on February 09, 2006, 05:16 PM:
I have had alot of success with the "walkabout" as Leonard calls it,especially in some areas of Nevada where there aren't alot of roads.I've killed alot of coyotes making a large circle and calling.But like Leonard said if you're not careful it can chew up alot of your day walking from stand to stand.Good Hunting Chad
Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on February 09, 2006, 10:17 PM:
I guess I do a lot of "walkabout" too.
Even in places with roads, they are aften gated, so walking or bicycling in is the only way to get there.
It's very rare for me to go make one stand, and not a (3-5 mile) loop of (3-5) stands.
Is a sandhill like a sand dune? If anything grows there, what is it?
I think Q once said he used his GPS, stashed the coyote, and retrieved them on the way out?
Krusty
Posted by RedRabbit (Member # 796) on February 09, 2006, 10:52 PM:
Ok, I guess I could lighten up a little, since all I been hunting is the moutain areas around here, since the river bottom, and desert areas are known to produce bad pelts, but Im sure there are a few good ones. Ive seen and shot some awsome mountain coyotes sporting what I would consider very plush, pale pelts.... Back when the fur industry was good and people were turning in alot of pelts, I heard the fur buyers could tell if it came from the bottoms and they did'nt want anything to do with them, I heard that some of these mountain coyote were fetching atleast $50 last year, course I understand there is a growing demand for coyote fur, but to me they are more valuable, as Im trying to get a personal collection going. Its some what of a novlety at this point, but I hope to turn them into a coat or a comforter. If I had the money I would buy them from people. Even so it might be a slow process the way Im doing it for now, but Ill look back and say I struggled to get them and each one gave me unforgetable memories....I saw a lady in the store last month and she was wearing a coyote fur coat. I haven't seen that in a long time. I hope it becomes more fasionable is what I told her as you dont see it that often. All she said is "they sure are warm"
Posted by smoke em (Member # 785) on February 10, 2006, 04:01 AM:
I have seen your mountain coyotes, by those standards ours here are junk.Your coyotes can be beautiful.I don't think I have ever seen as nice a coyote here.I beleieve if you saw this terrain here you would see how stalking is possible.
[ February 11, 2006, 05:31 AM: Message edited by: smoke em ]
Posted by Mert Bargenquast (Member # 772) on February 10, 2006, 05:39 AM:
Leonard, I posted a reply to the slack that I have been getting about hunting coyotes on 2-9-06. Why didn't it get posted?
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 10, 2006, 08:11 AM:
I'm not sure, Mert? Seems like I saw it. But, if what you are getting at is maybe there is a screening process; there is not. And, I have only deleted one topic, at the request of the poster. TA17? made a post about his new Cooper 223 and some Wolf ammo, and he didn't like the responses he got and asked me to delete it, which I did. The responses also were deleted because that's the way the program works. But, that is not a normal situation, around here.
Why don't you click on your profile and in the upper right corner there is a button for viewing all posts by Mert. Maybe you posted in another forum? Whatever, but I didn't do anything with it, you can be sure of that.
Good hunting. LB
edit: it shows that you made two posts on 2-9. Is either of them the one you are asking about?
re edit: what is meant by the term, "slack"? I'm trying real hard to figure out if anybody is being disabused or doubted by anyone else, and frankly, I don't see it? If yu kill a lot of coyotes, you will fit right in, you have a lot of company on HM.
[ February 10, 2006, 08:24 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on February 10, 2006, 09:48 AM:
Smoke em,
I fail to see the connection between my (lack of) masculinity, and someone else's success at their hobby?
Are you a candy ass, because I climbed El Capitan?
You say you've killed lots of critters, good for you. It obviously hasn't made you a great "people person", now has it? Sheesh 
Mert,
You'll know it when these guys jump on you, they can land pretty damn hard.
Krusty
Posted by scruffy (Member # 725) on February 10, 2006, 10:51 AM:
I find it ironic that alot of people (me included! ) moan and complain on a number of factors that make calling around here so challenging, yet it's that challenge which makes me hunt coyotes more and more and hunt deer, pheasant, small game, etc less and less every year. It's that great challenge that makes every coyote special and greatly rewarding to me. Heck, I take pics of every coyote I kill and put it in a little album, I'm also keeping a journal. I don't do that for anything else. Why? Because the wiley coyote is so challenging. Yea, it would be awesome to pile them up, a dozen at a time would be nice, but would the level of the feeling of reward for each coyote be as big? It wouldn't for me.
I've said this before, that I have one farm I call every other weekend, testing calls, sequences, etc, and now also for the challenge. I've called it both day and moonlit night. I started calling it intensely last October, 2 to 3 stands a month, and have called a coyote every 5 stands or so, all of the stands have been withen 300 yards of each other, there's not much sign, when they howl at night there aren't very many around and none howl on the section I'm calling, and to give you an idea on they "hunting pressure" they feel, last December a deer hunter watched one coyote chase a rabbit down a narrow timbered small creek bottom on this small farm and when the rabbit broke into the open harvested field the coyote stopped on a dime at the edge of the timber, watched the rabbit run out into the open field and stop. The coyote wouldn't step out into the open. The deer hunter had been on stand since before light and the coyote was upwind of him and the coyote never looked at were the deer hunter was "on stand", so he doesn't think the coyote knew he was there. After a short time passed the coyote went back to hunting in the timber.
Yet I keep targetting this 80 acre farm in a 1 mile section, most of which is open fields with 100 acres of timber and some CRP in the middle, making all my stands in the north 40 acres of the farm, an open field, along fences and terraces. Why? Because of the challenge! The last time I called it was Jan 28th after the rain moved out and was calling it in the drizzle/sprinkles, temps in the high 30's. I was expecting a coyote to come from my east using cover but instead had a coyote come from my west through an open field out of my vision, crossed over the crest of a rise into my vision, ran a short distance on the crest, and was downwind before I got the scope covers off (protecting lenses from the drizzle...) and got the rifle on him, and he just dropped over the back of the crest never to be seen again that day.
I didn't kill that coyote, but I got him called in using some new "tricks". They say if you want to get better you should practice against those better than you are. Calling this particular place I have steadily improving "practice partners" which requires me to constantly improve to be continually successful. And I have a list of more "tricks" I want to try to hopefully stay ahead of the coyote's "learning curve" of me hunting them.
So I'm trying to catch myself when I start moaning or complaining about the challenge of it. Because honestly that's what drives me. Many comment that when the wind is blowing 15 mph they stay home. Being very limited on when I can call I don't stay on the couch when I have the time to call, so I embrase the challenge of the wind. Over the past year I've called coyotes many times in wind 15mph and higher, a few 20+, using different techniques to use the wind's velocity instead of fighting against it.
Thus I rarely complain about the wind anymore (I still complain about the windchill though ). I view it as another challenge to overcome.
And honestly, if coyotes aren't a challenge anymore (I don't see that happening), I'll probably loose interest. The challenge, as I'm sure is true of many others, drives the addiction.
edit: looked over areal maps again, updated acre estimates...
later,
scruffy
[ February 10, 2006, 11:16 AM: Message edited by: scruffy ]
Posted by pup (Member # 90) on February 10, 2006, 11:45 AM:
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coyote calling in midwest is different than say AZ,CA,OK,NE SD .OR,or NV.You may have been the one to say it is regional and that is a good description.
Just a side note now, but if you meant that OK above to be Oklahoma then a little clarification is in order.
Most of Oklahoma when settled ,was broken up into sections according to the lattitude and longitude lines as opposed to the meets and bounds system. Also in Ok, most of the sections were originally settled in 160 acre tracts, meaning normally 4 different landowners to each section. Since then it has mostly split more, ie 80, 60, 40, 20 etc. There are some places we walk a mile to hunt a five acre secluded bottom or pasture. And since I am already on here anyway I'll add that every place I have hunted, the coyote basically acted the same, and that the same calling style that I/we use here in Ok, has worked in every other place, now I am not saying that it is the best method for any given area, but it has worked.
Now I find the hunting more enjoyable looking at a map that has enormous BLM plots that you actually have access to like in Az. and New Mexico. On those big plots it is awful nice to be able to call where ever you want.
"Nothing like riding a good horse into new country" Capt. Gus, Lonesome Dove. Swap out call for horse, and you got the feeling I get when in the "west".
Just letting you know we feel your pain.
later
pup
Posted by RedRabbit (Member # 796) on February 10, 2006, 01:07 PM:
Smoke em, I find it really hard to belive the # of coyotes you claim you have killed. Its like I said its the "Ive Killed More Than You Prove Me Wrong Syndrome " One can only imagine the many stories you tell, to put in short terms, I call "BULL". I think alot of people are good callers just because they dont see one comming in doesnt' mean the coyotes wern't comming to the call. I would be more inclined to belive these #s to be in the hunderds and hundreds as truth, but I supose for you it would be more like "Thousands and Thousands". Who are you Timothy Tredwill's brother "The Coyote Man". Ill be honest in this matter I haven't killed alot of coyotes, but I do know Ive had a fair amount comming to the call and thats enough to tell me Im a good caller. For me its not the #s its the satisfation of calling in something I belive is a very keen predator. Are you sure your not killing coyotes that have poison induced brain damage.... I would of thought it to be ok to give Mert the nod, even though I thought his story was a little thick, Im sorry, but I had to gag on your compliment. In the future ill keep it cool and sift the "BULL" like everyone else...And the next time you attack my age, just remember you just might hurt the only one feeling I have left....LOL
[ February 10, 2006, 01:17 PM: Message edited by: RedRabbit ]
Posted by smoke em (Member # 785) on February 10, 2006, 02:43 PM:
hey crusty and red rabbit. let me rephrase that. there are guys out there who have killed thousands(not me) and they make me look like a woman.The hundreds I have killed just are from lots of years. I will bet leonard has killed hundreds or maybe more as have many of these guys.20 a year is not a lot but for 25 years is 500.(not me).I don't know how old you guys are but if you have a lot of years left you are going to kill hundreds or more.Please don't take offense to my post as I meant none..I would enjoy the opporunity to meet or hunt with any of you and you would be welcome here anytime.It would make this whole miscommunication thing go away.We all have way more in common than not.The End
[ February 10, 2006, 02:58 PM: Message edited by: smoke em ]
Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on February 10, 2006, 03:53 PM:
Welcome smoke'em (there may be an explanation in that handle lol)
I hope you don't mind me asking a couple of questions?
What were the means of take by your friend that killed 800 in a year? Traps and snares ? 1080? Aerial gunning? M44's or the older Getters? I have a hard time wrapping my brain around any one calling and shooting even a fraction of that number.
High numbers are possible with non-selective means in some areas. Frank Martin took 2714 scalps in one year alone with getters. But that was Texas and that was in 1961. Patroling a line of 400 getters visible from a ranch road on a daily basis is hardly a sporting proposition and "scorched earth" techniques are frowned upon in current WS circles.
I know a few ADC professionals and they are primarily concerned with the removal of "THE" coyote rather than just any coyotes and subsequently some of these guys take relatively few coyotes each year, however they are extremely knowledgeable and skilled callers despite the low numbers, which obviously are not an accurate indicator of ability.
One more question. Would you please be kind enough to point out the "imposters" that frequent this board? I have been a member since the first day and I honestly am unable to detect any of them. I don't know if I am just dense, unobservant, biased
or in denial. I would appreciate your help.
Thank you.
Posted by onecoyote (Member # 129) on February 10, 2006, 04:07 PM:
Smoke em, you got me ......I had them all fooled for the longest time, I admit I'm an imposter. Everything I know came out of a book a video or the internet. Just proves you never know who you're talking to on the internet
[ February 10, 2006, 04:10 PM: Message edited by: onecoyote ]
Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on February 10, 2006, 04:09 PM:
Smoke em,
It's Krusty, with a big K.
I still fail to understand how someone else can make you look like a woman (without holding you down, and dressing you up like one).
Nothing any of these guys DO, makes me look good (or bad), only I can do that.
I've said it before "Q has killed thousands of coyotes... he's still an ass. I haven't killed any, I'm still an ass too"
I dunno how many you have killed, but I think you're an ass.
Krusty
Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on February 10, 2006, 04:14 PM:
DDDDamn KKKKK from one ass to another, sometimes you are spot on . Not often mind you.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 10, 2006, 04:20 PM:
It's been a long time since we have had such a quarrelsome thread! Fellas, let's just mellow out, it's going to be all right.
Higgins, I know the answer to 800 a year: arial gunning.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on February 10, 2006, 04:21 PM:
quote:
TA17? made a post about his new Cooper 223 and some Wolf ammo, and he didn't like the responses he got and asked me to delete it, which I did.
I guess I'll quit looking for that one. I've always heard crappy things about Wolf ammo and wanted to hear how things turned out for him.
That's the second time you driven me half nuts looking for a thread. Ronnie had one about the hurricane that disappeared too.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 10, 2006, 04:24 PM:
Same thing, Tim. Ronnie emailed me, asking me to delete the thread. <shrug> What can I do?
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on February 10, 2006, 04:47 PM:
Leonard, I don't see how it could possibly be aerial gunning. smoke em stated
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I have gone for six weeks at a time hunting every day plus numerous trips each year to other part of US for 7 to 10 days to kill coyotes with hunters killing 800 or more per year professionally.
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WS wouldn't permit him to accompany the chopper or the plane because of liability issues, besides someone of smoke em's level of excellence born of so many years of experience (not being snotty, such was implied in his congratulatory post to Mert)would certainly agree that aerial gunning is more about marksmanship than "hunting".
Posted by smoke em (Member # 785) on February 11, 2006, 03:16 AM:
rich , the method is a coyote rich environment day after day after day all year long in areas where no one is allowed to hunt coyotes.I was not involved in any of the 800 numbers,that would take me forever.The aerial gunning is not a big if any part of it ,I have not heard mention of it.slso i would not get in a helicopter or a plane to kill coyotes if i wasn't flying it.I don't do that low level coyote hunting anymore, just to dang many cell towers etc. the m44 and trapping are no longer allowed by law although they used to be a part of it.More concentration had to be shifted to calling with a fair amount of sight shooting and this area still kept the numbers up near where they were.I am talking of a huge area of access.I was never there when you didn't see coyotes everyday as you travelled.Like I tried to say,the big numbers are just a factor of time spent.You are right WS does not allow civilians and what we did was weekends, holidays,nonwork days.It has been a long time ago but I believe the best we did was 35 in a short week.I agree some things are hard to believe if one has not seen it.The coyote numbers are just incredible.I've heard Texas may be the only place with higher numbers . I suspect you have killed in the hundreds and more.about the "imposters", that just turned out to be an unecessary response to the attack on a friends crediblity.I should have just ignored it and will in the future then all this would have just died.I believe what anyone says here about themselves and would have no reason not to.
[ February 11, 2006, 05:56 AM: Message edited by: smoke em ]
Posted by smoke em (Member # 785) on February 11, 2006, 03:23 AM:
leonard, I'll take the blame for all this,I am the original imposter,Nothing I said was true it all came to me in a dream.That should make all happy.I give up,which I should have done long ago.
but I still know that you and others here, have killed hundreds and hundreds in your time.
[ February 11, 2006, 03:27 AM: Message edited by: smoke em ]
Posted by 2dogs (Member # 649) on February 11, 2006, 05:58 AM:
smoke'em,
It should hardly be a surprise. Perhaps, some of what you stated, was taken out of context.
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[1] Definition of a "hunter" to me; Anyone who doesn't quit. Well, until they can't go anymore. Everyone has their days, eh .
Skill, is often fleeting. Experience, can fade as well.
The "experience" is what keeps me going back for more.
Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on February 11, 2006, 09:00 AM:
Smoke em,
Pretending to roll over and piss yourself doesn't make me happy.
quote:
but I still know that you and others here, have killed hundreds and hundreds
Dude, why are you so stuck on this? They killed hundreds and hundreds, so freakin what?
How does that make them more manly, and the rest of us less so?
2dogs,
I didn't take anything out of context, I am asking for clarification of what the hell Smoke em is talking about.
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I'd quote specific statements you guys made, but there's been some SERIOUS editting/deleting going on.
Deleting is BULL, it doesn't turn back time, or take back what was said... it only leaves giant holes in an otherwise (possibly) positive outcome (and thread).
We all MIGHT have learned something (like how to get along by working out our differences, instead of pretending we don't have any).
Some of the fiercest rivalries on the internet have been worked out here at HM, most by dukin' it out.
This is after all a forum.
Webster's dictionary defines a forum as: a place for the exchange, and debate, of ideas and information.
Sometimes the debate gets heated, and/or the information is controversial. To me, that just makes a better forum.
Krusty
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 11, 2006, 10:20 AM:
I don't have a problem ignoring a few provocative comments and moving on. Sounds like a good idea, at this point. The numbers game has a few flaws. You can save a million dollars in your lifetime, or make a million on the stock market in a week, or earn X amount per hour, but you will never be in first place playing, "can you top this". Some people are especially good at it....as if it matters? Matter of fact, I've killed more than my share, so I guess my advice is valuable, to some?
Yes, we argue, and yes we iron things out. I don't mind that process, at all.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by 2dogs (Member # 649) on February 11, 2006, 10:41 AM:
Krusty,
I hear ya. Being a "buffer-man" is all.
Personally, I don't mind a good fight/argument or whatever. But I've also lived long enough to know.
I've "said" & or "done", plenty in my day. That I've regretted or spoke "out of context" .
What a person or person[s] say, about me. Doesn't change who I am. A person, knows who & what they are. It's not science.
Stone the guy, if it makes your day.
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BTW, smoke'em. I bought awhile back a Celestron Ultima 80 Spotting Scope. Cost around $180.00. Lifetime "no fault" warranty. From Optic Planet. She's a very fine spotter.
Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on February 11, 2006, 11:02 AM:
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
I'll just move on.
Krusty
Posted by 2dogs (Member # 649) on February 11, 2006, 11:07 AM:
Krusty...You sprekenzi-code LOL!
Posted by smoke em (Member # 785) on February 11, 2006, 11:10 AM:
I have definately learned the limitations of these sites. It is so easy to misinterpret or be misinterpreted. Some of the things I meant jokingly were taken personally and I have seen some of the things I have taken personally were meant jokingly.I wish I would never had gotten involved with this post.person to person none of this would happen.We would all just get along fine.I have never met a coyote hunter I didn't like.
[ February 11, 2006, 11:20 AM: Message edited by: smoke em ]
Posted by 2dogs (Member # 649) on February 11, 2006, 11:20 AM:
No doubt smoke'em. I've said some harsh words to members on here. I regret doing that. As it can sometimes be difficult to know. What a person, really meant.
This is a fine bunch here, IMHO.
BTW, I doubt seriously, I've killed 80 coyotes. Let alone a hundred ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
LOL!
wannabe-dogs
Posted by smoke em (Member # 785) on February 11, 2006, 11:28 AM:
2dogs, I know exactly where you hunt, been thru there numerous times. your Areas don't leave you alot of ways to get to a coyote.Snow has been lousy here this winter, maybe 10 days at most.It is almost a must to be successful.Given the snow we normally get if i can kill a couple dozen a winter here locally, that is pretty good for me.Been at it here since 1974,slowing down some so have to make some things a little easier at times.Access to private is excellent and hunting pressure from others continues to decline, although I am not sure why. May just be less people than there used to be out here.If you ever have the opportunty or interest to hunt here in western Iowa send me an email.
[ February 11, 2006, 11:51 AM: Message edited by: smoke em ]
Posted by smoke em (Member # 785) on February 11, 2006, 11:48 AM:
Sorry Krusty, didn't catch your post,have a rule that after the first word of profanity I quit reading.Recommend you save it till the end.The posts are mine ,I will delete or edit them as I wish. The best
Posted by 2dogs (Member # 649) on February 11, 2006, 11:51 AM:
smoke'em, do I know you?
Posted by RedRabbit (Member # 796) on February 11, 2006, 11:56 AM:
Been doing some sifting here, I detect a few nuggets, but thats ok. I wont try to "One Up You" since I already lost, due to my meager seasonal 23-1/2 coyotes... Im JJJJUUST KIDDDING!!! LOL
Posted by smoke em (Member # 785) on February 11, 2006, 11:57 AM:
we may have crossed paths at maybe a gunshow or something like that if you go to them in Des moines.The pictures you post are in that Marsh... area I think you said. I have passed thru there numerous times to go to the cedar rap area to hunt over the years. went to school at Iowa state u. so know the lay of that area which can be similar to your.Did you get big snow. was over fort dodge area a day or two ago and it looked like the snow belt may have included you.We may want to go to pm for futher discussion so as not to bore all the other viewers
Posted by smoke em (Member # 785) on February 11, 2006, 11:59 AM:
Gotcha red rabbit ,lets forget all this other junk and start a fun post.I have forgotten it already, one benefit of old age.Also trying to get an idea of the topography you hunt in.If you don't mind what city might be representative in Idaho. Have spent some time there vacationing but nothing else.Envy your location .This state is tilled from end to end.
[ February 11, 2006, 12:04 PM: Message edited by: smoke em ]
Posted by 2dogs (Member # 649) on February 11, 2006, 12:07 PM:
No snow, had a few dustings in the last couple wks. They'd last only a day, then melt. There's no snow here as of now.
Only killed one coyote this season. Generally, I'll get around a dozen a snowfly, from stalking [long-range sniping].
You mentioned earlier, about tagging runners. I was on a good streak there for awhile[previous 2 winters] that is . Then I got complacent, LOL! Oh, well...Had fun regardlass .
Posted by smoke em (Member # 785) on February 11, 2006, 12:15 PM:
that whole shooting runners goes in streaks . sometimes I will hit several in a row in the head,then several in the butt.My observation of that is "I very nearly missed all of them." I'm the only one more surprised than the coyote.
[ February 11, 2006, 12:17 PM: Message edited by: smoke em ]
Posted by 2dogs (Member # 649) on February 11, 2006, 12:22 PM:
A couple of days ago. My oldest Bro, was on the gravel heading towards Quarry, Iowa. Our Dad has a little house there.
Bro looks to the North side of the road[wooded Iowa, River bottom].
Spotted two "wolve's" out 200yrds on a hillside. He grabbed his bino's off of the dash. Zoomed in.
I said, "you mean very large coyotes" He said, "No"..."The larger one looked to be a 100lbs or so".
I'm wating for some decent snow. To see if their still around.
Posted by RedRabbit (Member # 796) on February 11, 2006, 12:43 PM:
SE Idaho has some very diverse coyote habitat, form mountains to low lying marshes, foot hills with thickets of a variety of trees, even though I live here on an orchard Im not sharp on all the particular trees in those thickets, but out side of that you can have big rolling hills of juniper, huge spans of sage brush, CRP fields, lava formations, irrigated, or Dry farms and all can be in conjuntion of one another, as In comparison to my home state SD there is none. this area really puts the land in the favor of the coyote, they can hole up and eat anywhere. They seem to shrug the dying rabbit routine, so you have to improvise, if your gonna use that sound.
Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on February 11, 2006, 10:42 PM:
Smoke em,
Play your word games if you like.
I didn't mean what I said as profanity, no matter how you try to twist it.
I gave you the benefit of asking you what your words meant (not telling you), please afford me that same respect.
Krusty
Posted by Mert Bargenquast (Member # 772) on February 22, 2006, 04:40 AM:
Leonard, how do I get my name and articles removed from the posts?
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 22, 2006, 10:30 AM:
Normally, you would use the edit button above each post and just backspace what you wanted to change or erase. Then, you can click on your profile and view all your posts and change them one by one as you see fit.
As far as deleting your name, or even a completely blank post, you would need me to do that for you. Generally speaking, that is against my policies.
However, you can't do any editing because I have locked your permissions, so you need to give me a compelling reason why I should accomodate your request.
To clarify, you are a member in good standing. I have no reason to cancel your membership. If there is some misunderstanding, perhaps we can straighten it out via email?
Management decides when something is offensive, or there is some other reason to delete a post.
You have done none of that. You have been treated with respect, but your quarrlesome buddy has apparently influenced you to some degree? My advice; don't make a big splash, just chalk it up to experience, and move on if you don't like it here. LB
[ February 22, 2006, 02:24 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
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