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Author Topic: Approach Tactic (?) RedRabbit Knows what it's all about Member # 796 posted February 05, 2006 03:02 PM                    I've hiked in on coyotes over simi frozen snow covered CRP fields in my hiking boots, and it sucked "BIGTIME", so then I bought some high tech snowshoes they work great, as far as better than just boots go, cause they are loud. Now Im considering some cross country skis to get around on these coyotes. Has anyone tried these tools for coyote hunting for these conditions? Im sure they'er alot quieter than snowshoes. [ February 05, 2006, 03:06 PM: Message edited by: RedRabbit ] Posts: 241 | From: SE IDAHO | Registered: Jan 2006  |  IP: Logged Leonard HMFIC Member # 2 posted February 05, 2006 05:38 PM                       I've never worried about noise, from rocks and gravel, leaves and twigs, or crusty snow. I just give them a few minutes of silence and they seem to forget about the footsteps. I guess it depends on how hard they are pressured? Remote areas, or populated areas, I don't think they necessarily run from sounds like that? Except in Kansas, of course. Good hunting. LB edit: let me clarify. I only mean when there is no other way. All things being equal, it's better to be as quiet as possible. [ February 05, 2006, 05:39 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ] -------------------- EL BEE Knows It All and Done It All. Don't piss me off! Posts: 32368 | From: Upland, CA | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Cdog911 "There are some ideas so absurd only an intellectual could believe them."--George Orwell. Member # 7 posted February 05, 2006 06:46 PM                       We just have smarter, more conservative red state coyotes up this way that don't fall for just anything. But you can keep talking 'cause every time you make that statement - or one like it - another couple dents pop out of my fragile ego. -------------------- I am only one. But still, I am one. I cannot do everything, but still, I can do something; and, because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do something that I can do. Posts: 5440 | From: The gun-lovin', gun-friendly wild, wild west | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged 2dogs Knows what it's all about Member # 649 posted February 05, 2006 06:54 PM                   In my hunt area, noise is the biggest [Foe] to overcome[cursed loud snow ]. Once they pinpoint the noise[duh!]. They [almost]never take their eye's off of that direction. Of course I'm talking, 1-sq mile land sections. As well as a tad-pressured . Callin, "these" coyotes. Just don't cut-it either . Crawling, on my hands & lower legs. Greatly diminish's the crunch , during a stalk . Almost noiseless, if ya go real slow . mortar rd-dogs Posts: 1034 | From: central Iowa | Registered: Apr 2005  |  IP: Logged albert Knows what it's all about Member # 98 posted February 05, 2006 08:33 PM                    old fashioned wooden snowshows are the way to go they are way quiter than the high tech ones. harder to find but they are considerably cheaper also. -------------------- for what it's worth, eh! Posts: 195 | From: Parkland, saskatchewan, canada | Registered: Feb 2003  |  IP: Logged RedRabbit Knows what it's all about Member # 796 posted February 05, 2006 09:40 PM                    Leonard, I do let the dogs cool off regardless of the conditions, but I feel 2dogs pretty much hit the nail on the head when he "said cursed loud snow, tad pressured and more or less close quarter dogs". I could also safely assume that in this one area Im hunting that would be the case, and since Ive missed a few times, Iv'e just given these dogs a PHD in Strange Danger ( shame on me ) I suffer form a condition what is known as "Coyote Fever" its not uncommon though, and Im getting control of it. LOL....Albert, Ive been on a few other snowshoes and then I bought these $200 pair MSR shoes and they'er great for what they were intended to do, you can climb pretty steep suff and flotation is real good on froze over snow, but Im sure the makers of snowshoes did't take hunters needs into acct., so I was just wondering If someone had tried cross country skis, as I have found some Karhu winter treking skis that are a hybrid snowshoe (with a binding that allows the use of hunting boots) except that they have an attribute of a ski. So anyway keep it comming I like to here your take.. If you want check these skis out tell me what you think of them...www.karhu.com...put cursor over "gear" a pull down menu will appear and hit "winter treking" take a look something to think about. Posts: 241 | From: SE IDAHO | Registered: Jan 2006  |  IP: Logged 2dogs Knows what it's all about Member # 649 posted February 06, 2006 05:02 AM                   Met an old coyote spot/stalker 2 Winter's ago. Pretty cool old guy. Gave him a couple coyotes, I had laying in the truckster. Anyway, that same Winter. 1dog & I came across him stalking a coyote 1/2 mile out. Old guy was wearing wooden shoes, treking Westward towards his target. Both, parallel, along the 1/2 mile East/West fenceline. Coyote was 1/4 mile West, of him & maintained that distance. We watched him stalk the coyote from a 1/2 mile away on the roadway. Old guy, never paused, but walked slowly & methodically. Coyote knew he was coming . Coyote maintained that distance continously as the old hunter came closer. Everytime, the old guy neared the crest of the next hill. The coyote would be in the next valley, standing there looking back East. Sometimes he'd sit & wait for the old guy to draw near . We both thought, this cat/mouse game was amusing. Coyote, lived another day. Posts: 1034 | From: central Iowa | Registered: Apr 2005  |  IP: Logged smoke em Knows what it's all about Member # 785 posted February 06, 2006 05:08 PM                   too bad that old guy didn't shoot that coyote if he was within 1/4 mile.440 yds down hill is a good shot for most high velocity centerfires off of a rest. (bipod or sticks)I wouldn't bet that old guy didn't end up killing him. Those old timers knew more than many of the rest will ever know,I hunted with a number of them. what they knew never ceased to amaze me.Unfortunately ,I have now become the old timer as most of them have passed away. [ February 06, 2006, 05:14 PM: Message edited by: smoke em ] Posts: 43 | From: midwest | Registered: Jan 2006  |  IP: Logged 2dogs Knows what it's all about Member # 649 posted February 06, 2006 05:45 PM                   That coyote always stayed out of sight, over the next hump. That old guy was grizzled. He was the type, to take a carcass from a starving Wolverine . He was a shooter as well. Seen him, smack a coyote running flat-out @ 200yrds broadside. With his old 22-250. Coyote rolled 3 1/2 times. I don't doubt, he couldn't hit one @ 1/4 mile. Posts: 1034 | From: central Iowa | Registered: Apr 2005  |  IP: Logged Mert Bargenquast Knows what it's all about Member # 772 posted February 06, 2006 07:41 PM                   Around here in Western Iowa most of the hunting is done with numerous pickup trucks on the road and in the field in what we call (Rodeo Hunters). There have been collisions, rollovers, wrecks, running through fences, jumping terraces, shooting by Farm houses and by sledding children. There main goal is to keep the body shops and mechanics schedules full. The thing that torques us the most is they really get the farmers peed off. Every year they lose more farms to hunt on but it makes no difference because most of the time they don't ask anyway. I'm not saying that I'm perfect, but any bad habits that I have aquired sure don't compare to theirs. The old way of spot and stalk has just about diminished around here. I have killed hundreds and hundreds of fox and coyotes in the nest and also flushing them off of terraces and out of ditches by myself. I have also missed my share. This year has been a blessing because of only one substancial snow. Simply putting it this way, they won't hunt without good snow cover. I have been seeing more coyotes since the Rodeo, so called hunters, haven't been out much and I have been loving it. I have killed 15 coyotes and missed 8 not including one wounded this afternoon. Not too bad for a nearly 60 year old fart like me. I have killed almost all of them on the run and several over the 300 yard mark and that is paced yardage. There are still a few good hunters around but we are all getting old. I love to get out in the field and walk and stalk, but sometimes have to take a few short-cuts. I also call, but I am a long ways from being good at it. So farmers let the good guys in to hunt and say bye-bye to the coybows unless they park there picked-e-ups and want to take a stroll. THAT'S ALL FOLKS! -------------------- Mert Bargenquast Posts: 40 | From: Iowa | Registered: Jan 2006  |  IP: Logged Mert Bargenquast Knows what it's all about Member # 772 posted February 06, 2006 07:45 PM                   Sorry for mispelling cowboys. -------------------- Mert Bargenquast Posts: 40 | From: Iowa | Registered: Jan 2006  |  IP: Logged Tim Behle Administrator MacNeal Sector Member # 209 posted February 06, 2006 08:16 PM                       Mert, Well written, I couldn't agree more. -------------------- Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to take an ass kickin'. Posts: 3160 | From: Five Miles East of Vic, AZ | Registered: Jun 2003  |  IP: Logged RedRabbit Knows what it's all about Member # 796 posted February 06, 2006 09:56 PM                    Finally! I got a coyote today at around 4:00 pm I spent all day out on this foot hill, bench over looking a huge thicket that runs 2 or more mile lenght. no luck early on, so I got up and looked behind me an saw my ski pole shining like a becon I thought that might be my problem, Duh! so then I hiked around the back side catywack from where I was 200 yrds max. looking down a draw I set my poles down and pressed them into the frozen snow with my snowshoes. did some lone howls, then challenge howls then took the mouthpiece from both howlers and blew wavering sounds simultaneously on the tip of the red desert, and hot dog mouthpiece I did'nt think anything would show up, but the sound was interesting to me, so I kept it up on and off for 30 min, then she came in at the corner of my eye, over the ridge 50 yards....BANG FLOP! I thought she looked good from 50 yrds, but she look like here belly hair was worn, but with closer inspection she was just wet from crossing the creek. I heard them howling over there across the creek, earlier when I first set up. she came from a long ways. Good pale silvery coyote.... [ February 06, 2006, 09:58 PM: Message edited by: RedRabbit ] Posts: 241 | From: SE IDAHO | Registered: Jan 2006  |  IP: Logged smoke em Knows what it's all about Member # 785 posted February 07, 2006 02:16 PM                   [ February 11, 2006, 04:46 AM: Message edited by: smoke em ] Posts: 43 | From: midwest | Registered: Jan 2006  |  IP: Logged Leonard HMFIC Member # 2 posted February 07, 2006 03:39 PM                       Imposters, you say? I thought we were either frat boys or pampass know it alls? Good hunting. LB -------------------- EL BEE Knows It All and Done It All. Don't piss me off! Posts: 32368 | From: Upland, CA | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged smoke em Knows what it's all about Member # 785 posted February 07, 2006 04:40 PM                   leonard, I am sure you are not an imposter,frat boy or know it all.,the guys like you who are the real deal won't take offense, the rest will probably be all over me, thanks Posts: 43 | From: midwest | Registered: Jan 2006  |  IP: Logged Cdog911 "There are some ideas so absurd only an intellectual could believe them."--George Orwell. Member # 7 posted February 07, 2006 05:09 PM                       Where do we pimps and hos fit into the mix?!? -------------------- I am only one. But still, I am one. I cannot do everything, but still, I can do something; and, because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do something that I can do. Posts: 5440 | From: The gun-lovin', gun-friendly wild, wild west | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Leonard HMFIC Member # 2 posted February 08, 2006 08:14 AM                       Smokem, I have a "radar" that detects wannabes. Seriously, we have a very high percentage of kick ass coyote hunters on HM. In fact, one of the problems here is that the neophite is sometimes too intimidated to participate. They worry about asking a stupid question; but in my opinion, the only stupid question is the one, unasked? Good hunting. LB -------------------- EL BEE Knows It All and Done It All. Don't piss me off! Posts: 32368 | From: Upland, CA | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged scruffy Knows what it's all about Member # 725 posted February 08, 2006 09:04 AM                   Smokem, I'm looking forward to learning from your knowledge as I have others on this site. Don't be a stranger around here, I hope you post more and more often! I'm always interested to hear the "oldtimers" stories and experiences. later, scruffy [ February 08, 2006, 09:07 AM: Message edited by: scruffy ] -------------------- Git R Done Posts: 361 | From: south central Iowa | Registered: Nov 2005  |  IP: Logged Cdog911 "There are some ideas so absurd only an intellectual could believe them."--George Orwell. Member # 7 posted February 08, 2006 04:43 PM                       I'm kinda disappointed. Here comes ol' smoke em all but saying the rest of us don't know anything about hunting coyotes compared to him and his spot and stalk buddies, and nobody has anything to say? Did Scott wear you all out on the pimps and ho's thread, or what? I know that there are a bunch of HM'ers sitting on their fingers doing everything they can to keep from being the first to say anything back. I may not spot and stalk, and I have as much trouble or more with the rodeo hunters as you Ioway boys do, but I'll say it out loud: Why in the hell would anyone walk clear out there to shoot at that coyote when, with a little bit more smarts, you can make him do all the legwork and come to you? If you're a good spot and stalker but don't profess to being a decent caller, don't let us stop you from striving to reach your true potential. All you have to do is ask, We'll teach you how to hunt coyotes. -------------------- I am only one. But still, I am one. I cannot do everything, but still, I can do something; and, because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do something that I can do. Posts: 5440 | From: The gun-lovin', gun-friendly wild, wild west | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Leonard HMFIC Member # 2 posted February 08, 2006 04:55 PM                       Hey Lance. Are you "being all over" him? Good hunting. LB PS I know things are different, depending on which rural area you call home. A)I know that a coyote that is shot at all the time from the road will be hard to call. B)I think it does require a special skill to sneak up on any predator. In some cases, because of A), perhaps the most productive way to kill coyotes is by stalking? I don't know? But, I doubt it will ever reach that level, out west. Thankfully, there are many coyotes and not very many hunters of any stripe. -------------------- EL BEE Knows It All and Done It All. Don't piss me off! Posts: 32368 | From: Upland, CA | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Cdog911 "There are some ideas so absurd only an intellectual could believe them."--George Orwell. Member # 7 posted February 08, 2006 05:52 PM                       Nope, and I won't be baited into an agreement over his value to the sport. If he wants to think that he's "all that", the so be it. Maybe he needs to find a board that panders exclusively to the spot and stalk crowd. In any event, if he's an S&S'er, he has the staying downwind part down, he knows how to make his approach unseen, and he claims to be able to shoot. Now, if her could just learn to call them to him and dispense with all that unnecessary walking, he could say that he's made it. Something tells me he just won't commit though. After all, isn't the objective to get the coyote? Why take a less than optimal three digit range shot when the ability is there to bring that animal to within an easy double digit distance? Does it honestly make me less of a hunter than the ol' timers because I'm smart enough to call them to me rather than walking all that way to them? Just don't get that one. Can't think of any legendary spot and stalkers either. Now, how many legendary callers can we name? Anyone? Oh well. Not losing sleep over it. -------------------- I am only one. But still, I am one. I cannot do everything, but still, I can do something; and, because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do something that I can do. Posts: 5440 | From: The gun-lovin', gun-friendly wild, wild west | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged RedRabbit Knows what it's all about Member # 796 posted February 08, 2006 06:05 PM                    Cdog911, I agree with your statment. I dont profess to be a great yote killer, but I can confidently say that Iam dam good at calling even though those yotes have given me a callers complex from time to time...I have only stalked one coyote ever. (she just would'nt come to my calls) and I only got to within 150yrds of her. There was a good stiff wind a howlin and fresh snow a foot deep. She look like she was taking a nap but every minute or so she would look around. I wont say how many times I shot with my single shot chasing after her, over several ridges. I can't say any more about this. The story doesn't do justice to the actual experience. My old man used to say "only belive in half of what you hear" I belive some people you can only take what they say with a grain of salt especially if its too good to be true. Its like heres my embellished story prove me wrong....Some stories stink of BS and some just stink and make me laugh...I think ole Mert up there has some truth to his story, but alot of it made me laugh. Some just pour on the butter real thick I guess. [ February 08, 2006, 06:14 PM: Message edited by: RedRabbit ] Posts: 241 | From: SE IDAHO | Registered: Jan 2006  |  IP: Logged Leonard HMFIC Member # 2 posted February 08, 2006 06:19 PM                       Lance, we know the technology exists, and a million coyotes have been called and killed. I think the spot and stalk crowd is reacting to a condition where it is (they think) impossible to call a coyote in the open fields of the midwest because everybody has a hand call or a fox pro, and everybody is throwing lead at every coyote they see, half a mile away. Coyotes run the other way when they hear the rabbit blues. You know, like I saw lst year, in western Kansas? Good hunting. LB -------------------- EL BEE Knows It All and Done It All. Don't piss me off! Posts: 32368 | From: Upland, CA | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Cdog911 "There are some ideas so absurd only an intellectual could believe them."--George Orwell. Member # 7 posted February 08, 2006 06:36 PM                       Maybe so, and I hunt in exactly the same conditions that those guys endure, but no one here does spot and stalk. It's either callers, or dog wagons. And it may be tough here, but the coyotes are still callable. I've been blessed this year and have approximately 20X more than anyone else in this area, but those other guys only understand the most very basic aspects of the game. Matt hunted with that crowd for a while, then made his way to my camp. He has earned my trust and he knows the penalties of divulging certain secrets of my methods, but he even acknowledged the obvios evidence and benefit of taking time to learn about the coyote. Rich Cronk calls coyotes in that country fine and dandy. What's the difference between what Rich does and what smoke em does. Is smoke em a better coyote hunter than Cronk? Or just better at the way he chooses to hunt? Having said that, I have no problem with S&S or them being proud of their ability to perform in that venue. My problem, if you wanna call it that, is the delivery that was used. If you wanna make excuses about tough to call coyotes, don't tell me about it. Same thing about all the eastern callers, with eastern being east of I-35. You'd just be calling to the choir here. LOL -------------------- I am only one. But still, I am one. I cannot do everything, but still, I can do something; and, because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do something that I can do. 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