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Author Topic: Good day spottin 2dogs Knows what it's all about Member # 649 posted December 15, 2005 03:13 PM                   Spotted, Rusty & 6-coyotes today. Rusty is either a coyote-X or a wolf[can't get close to him] . But he's a brute, for sure. Ripped some fast movers off, on a couple long range coyote's...No takers . Tomarrow, looking for some payback. We'll see Posts: 1034 | From: central Iowa | Registered: Apr 2005  |  IP: Logged Rich Higgins unknown comic posted December 15, 2005 06:25 PM              2dogs, I'm trying to understand what it is that you do. What did you rip off? What is a fast mover? What are takers and what did they not take? What are you seeking payback from or for? IP: Logged 2dogs Knows what it's all about Member # 649 posted December 15, 2005 06:50 PM                   It's all lingo, Rich. Takers-Coyotes Rip off-Shooting Pay back-killing coyotes Fast mover's-High Power bullits What I do-Hunt coyotes. I speak a little English, as well [ December 15, 2005, 06:50 PM: Message edited by: 2dogs ] Posts: 1034 | From: central Iowa | Registered: Apr 2005  |  IP: Logged Leonard HMFIC Member # 2 posted December 15, 2005 06:51 PM                       He is a bit of a code talker, ain't he? Hey, Jay told me you were down with the flu? Hope you are on the mend? Cranky usually means you are getting better. Good hunting. LB -------------------- EL BEE Knows It All and Done It All. Don't piss me off! Posts: 32368 | From: Upland, CA | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Todd Woodall Knows what it's all about Member # 439 posted December 15, 2005 08:10 PM                       10-4 good buddy. Opps, thats a breaker 1-9 for an underwear check, gotta go. Darn fast movers. Todd -------------------- Texas Predator Pursuit videos 110 hunts on 2 DVD's www.texaspredatorpursuit.com Posts: 181 | From: Weatherford Texas | Registered: Nov 2004  |  IP: Logged Rich Higgins unknown comic posted December 15, 2005 09:09 PM              I ain't cranky, Leonard. I'm bleepin' dying. Tyler gave it to me. That kid's lucky I love him. Kirby and Todd knew what I meant. IP: Logged 2dogs Knows what it's all about Member # 649 posted December 16, 2005 03:45 AM                   Rich, your Flu, kick in on last Sunday pm? Posts: 1034 | From: central Iowa | Registered: Apr 2005  |  IP: Logged scruffy Knows what it's all about Member # 725 posted December 16, 2005 07:00 AM                   Hey 2dogs, how's that new upper treating you? I have a doe tag to fill but haven't gotten out to do any deer hunting on my place and it shows. I think all the deer on the neighbor farms have been pushed onto my place. I almost hit a big doe Tuesday evening driving down my two track to the house. Wednesday morning had 3 does run past the house right out in front as I was on my way to the door to leave for work. My wife told me to shoot one off the deck (80 yard shot) but I told I didn't have any vacation time and didn't have time to shoot it, fire up the tractor, put the boom on the back, drive out to the deer, hook it up, drive back to the house, gut it, lift the boom all the way up, let it hang and freeze to take to the local locker to donate to the DNR "HUSH" program for charity. Then I had a few deer last night feeding 50-75 yards from the house as I was checking out the moons brightness over the new snow. So I haven't decided yet what I'm doing, deck or tree stand, deck or tree stand. Hmmmmm, sitting on the deck, thermos of coffee, padded deck chair, sandbag on the deck railing. You know your a redneck if..... But come Christmas weekend I'll be calling the coyotes hard again! Good luck today 2dogs!!! later, scruffy -------------------- Git R Done Posts: 361 | From: south central Iowa | Registered: Nov 2005  |  IP: Logged 2dogs Knows what it's all about Member # 649 posted December 16, 2005 11:29 AM                   Well, Scruff...going to take me a little while to get use to the different ballistics. But once I get "comfortable" should do fine . I like big noise, LOL! Misjudged that sitter, the other day, in the snow storm. It was 440yrds, not 300 Seen 5 this am, no shots offered[I don't shoot @ 1/2 mile coyotes ]. NorWester wind around 30mph, occasional white-outs They have my truckster pegged now! RUT-RO LOL! Tomarrow will be good, low wind & Sunny Posts: 1034 | From: central Iowa | Registered: Apr 2005  |  IP: Logged 2dogs Knows what it's all about Member # 649 posted December 17, 2005 12:08 PM                   Spotted 10 coyotes this am. The ole 4-pack[including gimp] & 6 other seperate ones. They all were hanging 3/8-1/2 mile out in their 1-sq mile sections. Couldn't do any stalking...[loud crusty snow ]. So went to plan B . My rifle is set in for 200yrds. Shot @ 3 total @ 500yrds. Wind NorWester @ 15mph. Two of them just stood there broadside after the 1st shot. Well until I walked my fast-mover's in [3rd rd] . Monday, suppose to warm abit. Should help with the loud snow. Rich H., if ya no savy today's code. I'll [post] fur ya, an exclusive code-breaker list [ December 17, 2005, 12:10 PM: Message edited by: 2dogs ] Posts: 1034 | From: central Iowa | Registered: Apr 2005  |  IP: Logged Az-Hunter Hi, I'm Vic WELCOME TO THE U.S. Free baloney sandwiches here Member # 17 posted December 17, 2005 01:31 PM                   Im confused myself? Why in the hell are you "ripping" at "fast movers", or sitters, in windy conditions, from ranges to damned far away to be sure of a good hit? One would think, you'd either call them in to modest range (50-100 yards), or belly crawl close enough for a reasonable shot? Of course, Im coming from the angle of wanting to shoot once, and kill a coyote, and maybe forget that some guys just like to fling lead? Posts: 1670 | From: 5 miles west of Tim | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Leonard HMFIC Member # 2 posted December 17, 2005 01:47 PM                       Well, you know how it is, Vic. Some just like to do it "doggy style", etc. Maybe they are like Kansas coyotes and run the other way when they hear rabbit distress? Actually, I don't mind stalking when the wind is blowing pretty stiff. Yes, you can call in the wind, but it's also true that sometimes it's a waste of time. Another thing is maybe you guys could teach him how it's done down in McNeal, and Scottsdale? Hell, we are wide open here on HM, as to what you do and how you do it, and WHAT YOU USE. (get it?) I just don't get too excited about methods and theories anymore. I do tend to frown on sloppy shooting, though; agree on that issue. Good hunting. LB -------------------- EL BEE Knows It All and Done It All. Don't piss me off! Posts: 32368 | From: Upland, CA | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged 2dogs Knows what it's all about Member # 649 posted December 17, 2005 03:08 PM                   I'm an average shot. Some days above average . Some of you folks ie;[1-shot...1-kill]. Should hunt the coyotes in my area. They have been shot at by everybody & their brother. As for callin them in "close". Easier said than done... The snow here now 5-6", it's like "Peanut Brittle". The gravel roads are just as noisy. You can't get within 3/4 mile from a coyote. Their looking at you already, before you see them. Yup, it is alot different [here]. Than what some of you have. I've called in a couple, that I spotted. But they will hang way-out & swing wide...way wide. To wind/see-you. On a bad day [loud crusty snow], I'll wing one & keep on him. Thats the only way to get one in these conditions. Spot/stalking is unlike calling...You go to them. Easier said than done. Thats how I hunt. A couple days ago, a member from [PM]. Came up to hunt with me. He lives 50 miles South of me. He said, "Man the coyotes up here, sure act different. Than the ones, we hunt back home" Hmmmm, go figure. I'm not one of "those" if I can't be a 100% sure, of a clean 1-shot kill [bang-flop]. I won't shoot . Not trying to stir the crap. Just being honest. Heck, if each of us, whom have been shooting coyote for a long while. Would of Quit! if we "ever" just "winged-one". None of us would be hunting. Posts: 1034 | From: central Iowa | Registered: Apr 2005  |  IP: Logged UTcaller NEVADA NIGHT FIGHTER Member # 8 posted December 17, 2005 04:12 PM                    I can see why the coyotes are all stirred up and won't respond in YOUR area. Posts: 1708 | From: Utah | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Leonard HMFIC Member # 2 posted December 17, 2005 07:05 PM                       Oh, good one, Chad! -------------------- EL BEE Knows It All and Done It All. Don't piss me off! Posts: 32368 | From: Upland, CA | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged 2dogs Knows what it's all about Member # 649 posted December 18, 2005 05:13 AM                   Leonard, AZ & Utah, Just read Lance's [3 for 4] post. He did a "hail Mary". No mention of "slop" shooting, whats so ever . Hmmmm, interesting Yah know, this brings up some more observations. Out of [ALL] the members on this site. Why do just a few post? I like to share coyote hunting experience's. Verbal fodder to some, perhaps. But reading material regardless. It appears, that a hunter needs to fall within a "certain" criteria. To just be accepted as another hunter. Whats! with that? Not for me Leonard, I don't follow well. Nor, fit into that criteria. lone wolf-Everett [ December 18, 2005, 07:24 AM: Message edited by: 2dogs ] Posts: 1034 | From: central Iowa | Registered: Apr 2005  |  IP: Logged UTcaller NEVADA NIGHT FIGHTER Member # 8 posted December 18, 2005 08:07 AM                    2dogs, Don't get your panties in a wad.Just messin with ya.Just making a observation to why the coyotes might be alittle on the skittish side.It's all in fun bud.Good Hunting Chad Posts: 1708 | From: Utah | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Leonard HMFIC Member # 2 posted December 18, 2005 09:33 AM                       There's no click here; if that's what you infer? I go out of my way to smoothe out the rough spots, as I did here in this thread. But, if you think Lance deserves a turn in the barrel, let's do it..... I don't care if he has a short fuse or whatever? HEY Lance, have a little more respect for the animal than to be flinging lead down range like an average deer hunter! I know your mom taught you better than that! Good hunting. LB -------------------- EL BEE Knows It All and Done It All. Don't piss me off! Posts: 32368 | From: Upland, CA | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged 2dogs Knows what it's all about Member # 649 posted December 18, 2005 11:18 AM                   No "wad" here Chad, LOL! Yeah, Leonard, I know you assisted myself in the beginning. I'm not as hard to figure out as a coyote. But you already know that. Never met Lance...nothing against him, personally. Just used his post, to make my point. Matter of fact, I admire long range shooter's. I could use a [spotter] on occaision, though. As for killing them quick. In a perfect [World] I agree. But I'm not perfect. Non-bang/flopper dogs Posts: 1034 | From: central Iowa | Registered: Apr 2005  |  IP: Logged Leonard HMFIC Member # 2 posted December 18, 2005 11:46 AM                       Here's the deal....and I may as well post it here as to start a new thread, because there has been a small amount of static sprinkled about lately. I have moderated and administered six different message boards and if I am allowed a small pat on the back, I think I know as much about my job as anyone, and do a fair and ballanced job of it..... in my opinion, of course! Put another way, I do my best, and that's all anybody can do and anyone else can ask of me. I do try to keep favoritism to an absolute minimum, but it's damned hard to walk the line. If there's a question, I go by "truth" over my pals and buddies; I just don't know a more fair way to run this site? So, I am aware of this buddy/buddy stuff, I also know what it is like to be out of the inner circle, and actually consider every single member to be my buddy, a member of the fraternity of predator hunters. We are pretty "hot shit", in my book; don't try and talk me out of it! Good hunting. LB -------------------- EL BEE Knows It All and Done It All. Don't piss me off! Posts: 32368 | From: Upland, CA | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged scruffy Knows what it's all about Member # 725 posted December 19, 2005 08:45 AM                   I've hunted with 2dogs on multiple occasions and hope to do so again soon. I am one of those "one shot one kill if the shot ain't there don't shoot" kind of hunter most of the time. Sometimes I break my self impossed rules of no shots over 200 yards but it's rare (usually a mangy coyote or ADC work for a farmer who's putting pressure on me to produce dead coyotes). But truth be known, I don't take longer shots because I absolutely HATE misses. They educate coyotes but more than that, I just HATE misses. When I take a shot under 200 yards I rarely miss, probably around 90% kills over the last 5 years (when I'm not using my mini14... ). From 200 to 300 yards, well, probably around 20% killed, if that.... Beyond 300 yards, I don't think I've shot at a coyote over 300 yards in the last 5 years. I've just let them walk. My point is that 2dogs and I are at different ends of the spectrum of coyote shooting. Yet we always enjoy getting together and calling coyotes. I know the shots up there are typically longer than where I'm at and therefore take my .270. My next time up will likely be with my new 22-250, but might take my .270 again because it would be the better of the two up there (100 grain psp with 3300+fps mv verses 55grain psp with 3600-3700fps mv). And the coyotes are "skittish" up there because the terrain is such that the coyotes can be spotted from the road with good to decent binoculars. With roads criss crossing every mile, like a checker board, so the land is cut into 1 mile sections, guys drive around the section glassing into it, many hopping out and shooting off the hood or bed rail of the vehicle, some of people without permission to hunt the land they're shooting into (saw this a couple weeks ago in my area...) So the coyotes get back in the center of the section, hense the number of coyotes seen 1/2 mile into a section. That puts 2dogs in the situation of typically spotting and then stalking back in 1/2 mile, which isn't possible on peanut brittle snow (gosh this stuff sucks!!!!! ) and very challenging on good powder because the coyotes are tuned into the sound of a vehicle on the roads 1/2 mile away and when they hear one often go on high alert. So what about calling them in closer instead of stalking or hell marries? Well, when a coyote is afraid of the road it's hard to get him to approach the road, especially when there is little cover to hide his approach. They circle downwind and circle early. And when you do get a coyote to come in without winding you and since their isn't much cover to hide his approach it's not unheard of to have someone driving buy and stop and shoot at the coyote from the road possibly over the head of the caller whom he doesn't know is there. It's not commmon, but if you call long enough up there don't be surprised when it happens. And then there's "if you can see the coyote, he can see you." problem. If you can see into the section from the road the coyote can see the road from the middle of the section. So to "hide" the truck you almost have to park at another section... However, this area would be excellent for spotlight calling coyotes at night, but alas, that's illegal in Iowa... Now all is not lost, 2dogs does has some permission to hunt alot of land that is very good for calling. It is a challenge for the listed reasons above, no bones about it. We expect long shots, circling coyotes, and aren't disappointed. And after calling up there I have a very healthy appreciation for how good I have it in my area. I don't have hunting pressure from the road. I have cover to use to get into my spot, cover to allow the coyote to approach and to "funnel" him to me for an under 200 yard shot. And the coyotes aren't tuned into the sound of a vehicle on the road that stops. So while I'm at the opposite end of the coyote shooting spectrum with 2dogs, I've "walked a mile in his shoes" sort of speak. Some of us have calling coyotes easier than others, some have it much more difficult. In the end you have to take what you are given and make the best of it to be successful. later, scruffy [ December 19, 2005, 08:54 AM: Message edited by: scruffy ] -------------------- Git R Done Posts: 361 | From: south central Iowa | Registered: Nov 2005  |  IP: Logged UTcaller NEVADA NIGHT FIGHTER Member # 8 posted December 19, 2005 09:26 AM                    scruffy, You aren't telling me anything new.As most guys that call in Utah on a regular basis will attest.We probably rank in the top 5 in the U.S for road hunters.LOL The joke around here is that every coyote in the west desert has been shot at atleast once in it's life.LOL I've even witnessed guys calling in the day from there pickup trucks with no cover around them>UNBELIEVEABLE. But there are alot of guys that stick with it and still enjoy success,without turning into a road rider,and educating more coyotes themselves.DAA is one of them.He just keeps killing coyotes in the west desert each time he goes out.So it can be done even though it can be challenging at times.In fact just a couple weeks ago I went to one of the most heavily pressured areas around here and thought it was a lost cause,but managed to call/kill two coyotes.So if you are persistant you will still kill some even in areas where they seem very educated.One thing I know quite a few good callers around here do in the tougher calling areas is the "drop and drive" tactic.If you have a partner,you drive to a place you want to call.One guy drops his partner off then drives up the road out of site.And the caller either uses a radio to tell him when to come back and pick him up,or the driver just comes back after a certain amount of time.I've tried it a couple times and it works pretty well.FWIW Good Hunting Chad [ December 19, 2005, 09:28 AM: Message edited by: UTcaller ] Posts: 1708 | From: Utah | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged 2dogs Knows what it's all about Member # 649 posted December 19, 2005 10:01 AM                   When the snow isn't loud. Then there's no problem, well except on high winds. Then it takes a little [wind drift sifering]. Scruff, the "buffer-man" . Some days on decent snow. I can stalk right up on'em. Closest, was <50'[fluff snow]. Most days, 150-200yrds are the norm. Occasionally, 250-300yrds on loud snow. Rarely <100'. I triangulate their position. Make my plan, then start humping the hills, LOL! Posts: 1034 | From: central Iowa | Registered: Apr 2005  |  IP: Logged UTcaller NEVADA NIGHT FIGHTER Member # 8 posted December 19, 2005 10:25 AM                    "I triangulate their position.Make my plan,then start humping "in" the hills,LOL!"Sounds like to upclose and personal to me. Just Joking 2dogs, Whatever you have success with stick with it.Good Hunting Bud. Chad........ Posts: 1708 | From: Utah | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Cdog911 "There are some ideas so absurd only an intellectual could believe them."--George Orwell. Member # 7 posted December 19, 2005 02:47 PM                       Everett- If you saw how I shoot, you'd know that every time I warm a barrel, it's nothin' but slop. Just been a lot of really unlucky coyotes lately. The only reason these guys don't give me so much crap is that I think they figured out that I'm either too stupid or too stubborn to change. Most all of them have never met me face to face and wouldn't know me if I was standing in the room next to them. Aside from thos pictures of my smiling mug, that is. Leonard, My mama didn't teach me to shoot. My dad won't take responsibility for it either. That's why it took me 40 years to learn how to miss this creatively. And yes, we are all hot shit. Hot shit pampass know it alls. (Gonna need to get a bigger business card.) -------------------- I am only one. But still, I am one. I cannot do everything, but still, I can do something; and, because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do something that I can do. 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