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Posted by Baldknobber (Member # 514) on October 04, 2005, 06:40 PM:

I've shot a few running coyotes, and shot at a bunch of them in years past. How much lead do you use on a coyote running all out at say 100 yds? I shoot a 22-250. I keep the scope on 6x unless I'm in really thick stuff.

Byron South shoots lots of running dogs in some of his videos, I wonder how much lead he uses.

Let me know what works for you guys. Thanks, Todd

Posted by 2dogs (Member # 649) on October 04, 2005, 07:45 PM:

Todd,

I don't recall the exact thread, over on PM. But it was discussed pretty well. There is a site, called [JBM Trajectory]. You might find some good info there.

Before that thread, & now. Dependant on how far away & how fast a coyote is running. I'll generally use the following on my .223 Bushmaster;

100yrds lead 1-coyote length.
200yrds " 2-coyote length.

Works pretty well for me. Most of the coyotes, I've killed here the last couple yrs. Were on the fly. I'm an average shot. I'm also quite comfortable with my rifle. That helps.

Posted by Greenside (Member # 10) on October 05, 2005, 07:16 AM:

One thing I know for sure is that when I think about how far to lead them, I'll probably miss. I do the same thing I do with pass shooting waterfall. Start swinging behind them and when I catch up to the nose, pull the trigger and just follow through on the swing.

Dennis

Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on October 05, 2005, 07:23 AM:

What Greenside just said.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on October 05, 2005, 11:29 AM:

Yeah, I tend to agree with that. Some people are looking for a number, but it is more instinctive than formula. After all, how can you use X number of inches or feet, based on a certain speed, at a specific distance? It's a real talent, supported by a lot of practice. Maybe jackrabbits are the best, over short distances? But, unless you shoot at enough running coyotes, you will never have a good idea of what is required.

Basically, it is not a good idea. I won't shoot a running coyote unless I have run out of options. There are several ways of stopping them, some more effective than others, but once they get real spooked, you need to understand that it's NOW OR NEVER. At this point, it helps to have a little experience in leading a running coyote, and you are never going to get it by not shooting at him.

Good hunting. LB

Posted by 2dogs (Member # 649) on October 05, 2005, 12:28 PM:

I've used a boatload of different long guns & ammo. Over the yrs on coyote.

Until, I bought my AR. Did I feel [as one] with any gun, but that has changed.

As the "Duke" once said, "I'm comfortable"

To me, that has made all the difference. On hitting running coyotes.

As for continual "swing-through" I'm not good at that. Tried many times, to get average = nope.

I'll find them in my scope. Put the cross-hairs out front aways. When I "feel" the lead is right, bang. If I miss...then switch to, fire for effect.

Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on October 05, 2005, 08:30 PM:

Leonard, close your eyes.

That's another nice thing about the 17 Remington. [Wink]

Just put the crosshairs where you want the bullet to impact, and squeeze the trigger. [Big Grin]

Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on October 06, 2005, 03:26 PM:

"Just put the crosshairs where you want the bullet to impact, and squeeze the trigger."
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I tried that once but he kept on running. Maybe I didn't pump the .17 up quite enough.

Posted by Todd Woodall (Member # 439) on October 06, 2005, 08:39 PM:

I just like to take a slow deep breath, let half of it out, close my eyes, and then let as many fly as I can. [Big Grin]

I agree that no chart will help in most hunting situations. Its a feel thing and only practice will swing the odds in your favor. A nod from lady luck never hurts either. [Wink]

Todd

[ October 06, 2005, 08:40 PM: Message edited by: Todd Woodall ]

Posted by ba_50 (Member # 735) on November 20, 2005, 05:54 PM:

If I suprised one by walking up on it and it took off I put the crosshairs on it's nose and hit it in the neck with a .243 and 87 gr bullets @ about 100 yards. Thye weren't running full out like after being shot at. I hit two that way. So front of chest would have been better.

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