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Posted by Jrbhunter (Member # 459) on September 13, 2005, 11:30 AM:
Weather you are using an electronic caller or a hand call... what are THREE series that you use the most?
Coyote howls?
Rabbit distress?
Coyote distress?
Rodent squeaks?
Fawn bleats?
Puppy whines?
I'm trying to find out what is most commonly used amongst callers.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on September 13, 2005, 11:51 AM:
I like jackrabbit, rat and gray fox distress, if I'm limted to three. If I had more choices, I would include several bird sounds, and baby animals.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by TheHuntedOne (Member # 623) on September 13, 2005, 12:47 PM:
What seems to work consistantly for me, in order are
1) Pup whines
2) Fawn Bleats
3) Raspy Snowshoe Hare
all hand calls that I make myself.
When I tote out the Prey Master,
1) Gobler Distress (a real producer for me in one area I hunt)
2) Baby Cottontail
3) Yellow Hammer
Posted by Gerald Stewart (Member # 162) on September 13, 2005, 01:06 PM:
JBRhunter, if I read your question properly you are asking for series meaning sequence, or do you want the three top sounds we use most often? Leonard gave you three sounds but not his series or sequence (he is probably trying to hide another secret). ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
My most used series or sequence is (1) simply a distress sound of some kind by itself. My second series or sequence that I use most often is (2)a prey distress followed by a coyote vocalization of some kind. Could be barks on one stand, on another it may be the coyote pup distress. My third sequence or series would be a coyote distress mixed with another species distress like a coyote\grey fox mix.
(4).I recently designed what we call our Arsenal cards for the Preymaster that actually gives you 4 sounds to use in a sequence or series at each stand. It would have a primary distress call of some kind, with what I call a confidence sound(Crow Audience) and a coyote vocalization closing with a close-in squeaker of some kind to close with if you chose to.
If you were asking only for the top three sounds we use most often, I could only do that if you were to tell me what time of year it was. I have about two dozen that I use most often depending on the season, and where I am at, and what time it is and so on and so on. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
If you were simply asking for our favorite three sounds....arm twisted...I would have to say....101G Vittle's A'la Jackrabbit, 116A Squealing Bird and our 167 Coyote\Grey Fox Mix.
Then again I am assuming you are talking about coyotes only or were you thinking all predators? In that case let me list...........well...maybe I should save that for a later discussion. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on September 13, 2005, 05:03 PM:
I use Handcalls at all my stands,and the ones that seem to work best for me are:
1)High pitched distress sounds
2)Low pitched distress sounds
3)And a mix of Howls
It seems to work for me. GOOD HUNTING Chad
[ September 13, 2005, 05:30 PM: Message edited by: UTcaller ]
Posted by 2dogs (Member # 649) on September 13, 2005, 06:07 PM:
Goat-jack-muncher[new haven't tried it yet]
Squallin raspy jack
Coyote howls/barks
[ September 13, 2005, 06:07 PM: Message edited by: 2dogs ]
Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on September 13, 2005, 08:27 PM:
Cottontail distress, jackrabbit distress, bird distress.
Posted by Todd Woodall (Member # 439) on September 13, 2005, 08:41 PM:
Great question jrbhunter!
If I am using a mouth call I like higher pitched cottontail sounds in most cases. When the need arises for more volume I may go to a raspy Jack or a louder cottontail distress. Sometimes a pup in distress is thown in at the end of a stand, mixed with a few howls. depending on the response you get from howls determines the rest of the stand.
For electronics I like pretty much the same sounds. rabbit distress #1 + #2 (Foxpro) get most of the action with Jackrabbit dist. getting whats left over. Aggr. Jack is great for windy days as it produces some hair raising volume. Coyote pup dist. is a great closer along with the baby cottontail. To get an animal to come back for one more look I like the Coyote/Fox sound, that has worked many times.
If you want a list I would say.
High pitch cottontail(mouth or electronic)
Pup in dist.
Challenge howls.
I have been dying to get Jays Emu sound but he is more tight lipped than Leonard with that one.
Todd
Posted by onecoyote (Member # 129) on September 13, 2005, 09:40 PM:
I'm right in there with Az-Hunter. Except I like the Jack first, then the cottontail, as for a bird, the yellowhammer or Woodpecker. I stay away from howling sounds because I'm not sure what I'm saying to the coyotes? lol.
Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on September 13, 2005, 10:48 PM:
Depends on the area I'm calling. When calling close to residential neighborhoods I like..
recording of dry dogfood pouring into bowl
Recording of electric can opener
happy kitten meows
Posted by keekee (Member # 465) on September 14, 2005, 01:46 AM:
Coyote Howls/ Coyote puppy howls
Puppy wines and crys
High pitch destress/Cottontail Rabbit/ Bird destress.
I blow alot of diffrent sounds on each stand. Its hard to say what my favorite sounds are. Lots of Coyote Vocals. And a very mixed bag of destress sounds.
Brent
Posted by Greenside (Member # 10) on September 14, 2005, 05:37 AM:
Todd
Number 3 is somewhat of a surprise to me. Could you explain that one a little bit? Are your coyote pre-located or are you using it blind? Any other calls being used with it? Did you use them on the TPP video? Thsnks
Dennis
Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on September 14, 2005, 05:52 AM:
quote:
I have been dying to get Jays Emu sound but he is more tight lipped than Leonard with that one.
Jay gives that sound to everyone he meets, you mean he won't give it to you also?
Haven't you ever called in an Emu?
Posted by Jrbhunter (Member # 459) on September 14, 2005, 06:36 AM:
Thanks for the replies guys. Gerald, I did mean sounds... sorry I threw sequences in there to muddy the water. Good answer though.
I am trying to develop a theory on the "Bread & Butter" sounds used by coyote hunters across the country. Sounds like rabbit in distress, coyote howls and pup in distress are the most commonly used in some fashion or another.
I try to vary my calls quite a bit from one stand to another but I always come back to what I call "Core Sounds" which are a variety of coyote vocalizations and raspy distress sounds.
Woodpecker, kitten, chicken, squirrel, rodent, crow and fawn cries are some of the oddball sounds I toss into a series just for the "Excitement level" which I think is very important in being successful while calling coyotes. Anything upbeat and bloody gets the nod from me once we've laid a groundwork of vocalizing coyotes and a decent meal on a given stand.
Posted by reb8600 (Member # 598) on September 14, 2005, 07:03 AM:
My 3 favorite would have to be the JS sounds. Vittles a la jack, yellowhammer and the locator.
Posted by Gerald Stewart (Member # 162) on September 14, 2005, 07:38 AM:
It was a good question Jrbhunter. I was sort of pulling your leg in my first post but I have taken interest in this thread because of a 200 word contribution I just submitted for a publication that asked for an "advise from the pros" contribution from me.
The jest of my contribution was that people should expand their library of sounds because coyotes may stop responding to the "same old same old" they hear over and over in high pressure areas.
I have a hard time pulling away from my "core" sounds also but when they are not performing, having some off beat non distress sounds in your library can benefit you greatly. Thanks for your question
[ September 14, 2005, 07:39 AM: Message edited by: Gerald Stewart ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on September 14, 2005, 09:34 AM:
Welcome to the New Huntmasters, reb8600. Glad to have you on board.
I don't do a lot of changing of sounds, while on stand, unless I need to do it.
I have heard of some guys that can't keep their finger off the keypad, play everything they have in the first five minutes.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Todd Woodall (Member # 439) on September 14, 2005, 10:54 AM:
Greenside,
The reason Challenge howls are way up there on the list because they work so well when used correctly. We dont just sit down and start using a challenge, but we may throw a few howls in after a stand followed by a challenge. We seldom ever start off with howls. We start off with a distress and after 10-15min we will throw in a howl or two. We have got responses from coyotes we would have never known were there otherwise. In a high coyote pop.(like West Texas) the challenge is deadly. Every time we hear a coyote howl we answer and then challenge, they come running in most of the time. To much competition for them not to. They are constantly defending there territory and that makes a challenge a great call to use. Around home it is not so effective, but you still can use it with pretty good results. I grin from ear to ear everytime I hear a coyote howl within a reasonable distance.
Hope that helps explain its place on the list.
Todd
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on September 14, 2005, 01:42 PM:
That sure demonstrates that there are plenty of ways to skin this cat. Most of my howling is at the very beginning of a stand. Most of my howls are female invitation or lost pup.
I have been lucky enough to hunt in some good areas, with very high populations. This is where, rather than having to defend territories, they all just must get along without conflict.
Example. Seventeen coyotes called on one night stand, nine on a daylight stand; six coyotes killed on one (that) stand, fifty (sets of eyes) coyotes called, in one night.....
Stuff like that.
In these special places, (and only these) I rarely hear a challenge, but if I do and respond, it's 30 minutes of back and forth and nobody moves. Interesting, eh?
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Todd Woodall (Member # 439) on September 14, 2005, 09:46 PM:
Leonard, I know what you are saying, but I have never personally witnesed the "lets all get along" behavior. I know the stuff we hunt out west is chocked full of coyotes, and they all have a chip on their shoulders. We also play the back and forth game with coyotes that dont come, but if we cut it off after 5-10 min. then hit them with a distress sound it seems to put them over the edge. Dont get me wrong the challenge isnt a stand alone call that we use all the time, but it is a great call if the time is right. IMO the time is right in West Texas most of the time, because of the high coyote pop.
Todd
Posted by 2dogs (Member # 649) on September 16, 2005, 05:20 AM:
In Iowa, ya might consider [distressed coon] & [farm cat]. As the coyotes, will munch them at any opportunity.
edit; I've came across, plenty of dead [thoroughly-munched] coon carcass's. Killed by coyote[s] in the snow.
Also a few [farm cat] kill zones. They always took off with the carcass.
Out of those two critters. The coon put up, a longer struggle .
[ September 16, 2005, 05:34 AM: Message edited by: 2dogs ]
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