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Topic: The purpose of howling
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Leonard
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posted February 23, 2005 07:30 AM
Okay, what is your take on howling on a stand?
You get a reply. Is this good, and how do you respond to the "reply"? Do you know what your next move will be? Does silence work just as well?
In short, how do you work a stand, if you get a vocal reply? What vocal reply do you consider good, and what vocal reply is bad?
When are you just wasting your time in coyote conversation?
Don't be afraid to offer your own personal impressions, you don't need to be considered an expert to have an opinion.
I have a couple, myself. I'm wondering if anybody else feels the same way?
Good hunting. LB
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Tim Behle
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posted February 23, 2005 09:24 AM
In a calling situation, I rarely howl first. But if one howls at me, I try to mimic him in responce. All the while setting my self up for a long shot, if possible. I've not had tremedous luck howling them inside of a hundred yards. But I do get them to often show themselves at 4-500 yards.
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Bryan J
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posted February 23, 2005 09:52 AM
In my experience group vocalizations in response to my howls have been a bad thing right along with a group vocalizations in response to my distress sounds. There have been tactics recommended to me that I’m still working on but have no positive or extremely negative reinforcement yet. Vocal responses in the areas that I hunt seem to always escalate to group vocalizations, so I prefer to hear silence from the coyotes that I’m calling to for the most part.
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NEF Shooter
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posted February 23, 2005 05:53 PM
You said expert not required heres my opinion. When breeding season comes around like now I open alot of my stands with a what I call lonesome howl . Last week I made one such howl and killed a nice male that came in a hurray.I have had similar results on several occasions. A couple of days before the lbl hunt I howled got a response from what sounded like a couple dogs howled in response and all heck broke loose . Went into puppy yelps and killed a nice female that came haulin butt to the call. I have gone to distress sounds after howls and had good results. I really don't think a few howls at beginning of stand hurts even if theres no response. I won't do a challenge howl unless I get one first, but on occasion I will do a challenge at very end of stand just to see if I can tick off a dominate male.
JMHO,
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Leonard
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posted February 23, 2005 08:55 PM
I'll say this, a howl, in response to my distress sounds while on stand, at night, is a very bad development. 95% of the time, you have no chance at that animal. If somebody does better than that, I'm listening.
Good hunting. LB
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nd coyote killer
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posted February 24, 2005 05:35 AM
In my expierences if i get a howl i try to do the same thing back. If i get a group howl i will start challengeing and see if i can get the male to come over and talk a little. I have had real good luck howling them in late in the season like now. I haven't down a whole lot of night hunting so i can't really say about them howling at me at night.
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Barndog
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posted February 24, 2005 09:57 AM
I second Leonards night hunting howling, stay with distress, howling at night is good to locate. We have had success in making our own group howls, one will be a dominate howl and the other a pup trying to howl or we will act like two males challenging each other after a few howls one of us will whine while the other growls.
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Rich
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posted February 24, 2005 10:56 AM
Leonard,
You are always thinking, and so am I. Coyotes tend to do that to a man. About the time you think you have em all figured out, they throw ya a curve ball and you have to start all over again.
I have heard that group howling in response to my distress calls on many occassions. Why are they doing that? There is not certain answer except maybe "shucks I don't know!" Sometimes they are howling because they know something ain't right over there. I don't have hardly any night hunting experience, but have howled coyotes in to within a hundred yards or so at night, just for the fun of it. The first few times I did that, I figured it was just a fluke. Now I know that coyotes will approach the sound of a strange coyote in their territory, and do so on fairly regular basis. In my area here in western Iowa, it is rare to get a vocal responce during daylight. Most of them come in silent. Most of my stands begin with a lonesome sounding howl. Maybe two or three of em.
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Steve C
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posted March 09, 2005 07:17 PM
Here's my two cents. I used to think that vocalization during a night stand was bsd news. When a group or single gets vocal I bring my calling down and keep up with a cover scent. Not every stand, but eventually, curiosity gets the best of them. I got one like this on my last hunt.. came in about 50-60 yards.
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keekee
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posted March 09, 2005 10:46 PM
I do alot of howling. Alot of it just depends on the time of year and what the stand im calling looks like, or what area im in.
With that said....I start alot of my stands out howling, most of the time with two puppy howls and an adult answer. Then I wait. What happens next or what I do next depends on the coyotes. If I get a reply or answer, I go from there.
Alot of the time I will give them back just what they give me. But not always. I go with my gut feeling on what I should do next. It just all depends on the area and the coyotes and what they give me or what kind of reply or responce they give me.
This time of year is good for howling around here, I will start with a couple puppy howls and an adult answer, then go to puppy crys and wines. I would much rather have one answer me then to come in silent. When they answer me, I got a good idea were they are and by the reply they give me, I got some idea what could happen, and I can change sounds or howls, or get a better idea what there up to.
When they come in silent here they seem to always go down wind and stay out a fair ways, thats ok though because I set up for this to happen. When I can. Thats what I mean about the stand set up and what sound I use.
At night, I will agree with Lb. If I get howls in responce to my destress calls, then Im in trouble. I taper the destress off and go silent. Then I may move in closer to them or start howling at them. And try my best to get them to come out in the open for a look.
I like to howl, I enjoy it. So, I do alot of it. But im not the type of caller that just uses one sound on stand. I try to keep there intrest the best I can. I will change up sounds several times on a stand, from destress to howling, puppy crys or who knows what. Alot of the time they just come to see what all the fuss is over I think. But either way as long as they come I dont care.
I think sometimes howling may get me busted just because I can see that far down wind here sometimes. But it also pays off alot to. Hardly anyone howls here in this area. Its all rabbit destress and e-callers for the most of them. But the main thing to me is I enjoy howling with them! If I kill them thats good if I dont thats ok to, I try to learn something every time I get a responce to my howling.
I spend alot of time out in the spring and summer locating coyotes, and just seting back taking all of it in. Its a big help for me here to be able to locate them at night in certain areas. It lets me know what area they are in. And its great to be out there at night when the pups are just learning to howl and a great teacher to.
Just my 02
Brent
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keekee
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posted March 11, 2005 10:43 PM
WOW!!!!! Did I kill this thread or what? No responce in days!
Brent
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Leonard
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posted March 11, 2005 11:10 PM
If you did, it isn't because of content. Excellent post, keekee.
Good hunting. LB
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Rich Higgins
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posted March 12, 2005 07:19 AM
It was you Brent.
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Doggitter
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posted March 12, 2005 07:16 PM
Thanks for the info Brent.
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