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Topic: I'm Sorry Krusty
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Tim Behle
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posted February 03, 2005 05:32 PM
I've been thinking about you for the last twenty four hours. I did a very selfish thing yesterday. I trapped and killed the dumbest coyote on Earth. I should have put him in a cage and sent him up your way to infect the gene pool up there.
Pretty much everything you have ever heard to NOT do if you wanted to catch a coyote, I did. But then, I wasn't wanting to catch a coyote in that set. I set the trap for a cat. That's why I put it up in the rimrock area. That's also why I set the trap barehanded, while smoking a cigar, with out a drop cloth or anything to help keep my scent off of the ground while I kneeled there. The trap was completely exposed, with guide sticks the size of your wrist.
All I can think, is that he must have had some suicidal thoughts when he stepped on the pan. And it wasn't a matter of him trying to scratch the pan out of the way. It took at least 5 pounds of pressure to fire that trap, and I had a high catch, up around his wrist.
Of course, Murphy's law hit us both. He got caught, and I showed up with a pistol holding only 3 bullets. Which should have been more than enough. Except he wouldn't quit jumping, and two of those bullets wouldn't fire. I thought about turning him loose, problem was that the release pole was in the truck with the extra bullets. A little over a quarter of a mile away, and at least a 45% angle down hill.
If I get another one like that, I'll be sure to ask for your shipping address, I can't handle all of this guilt.
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Leonard
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posted February 03, 2005 05:39 PM
Makes a guy feel sorry for poor ol' Krusty; all the abuse. (just kidding)
Not a bad looking dog, though. For this time of the year.
What's Quinton calling him; Kursty? Something like that? Glad to see those two finally bonding.
Good hunting. LB
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Cal Taylor
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posted February 03, 2005 05:52 PM
I think it's just good lure of some type Tim. Last year I caught a dozen or so coyotes in "flagged", and I mean really flagged cat sets. I had one canyon set with a trap on either side, and one day on a fresh snow I was checking and had coyotes caught in both sets and a cat had walked down the bottom of the draw between them. So two twenty dollar coyotes cost me a three hundred dollar cat.
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Tim Behle
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posted February 03, 2005 07:42 PM
Cal,
I was using Asa Lenon's bobcat gland lure. And the set was flagged so flashy, I would have been less surprised to have caught a drag queen.
If you don't mind saying in public, who makes your gland lures?
Leonard,
If those two are bonding, then Ol' Krusty better be happy that Q's not one of those rubber boot wearing sheep lovers from Texas. I hate for those two to bond like that in a public forum. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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Krustyklimber
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posted February 03, 2005 08:50 PM
Tim,
No apology necessary. I don't care about coyotes anymore.
He don't look too rubbed, I am glad you can add him to your take. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
What's a nice Az coyote like that worth anyways... 3 or 4 bucks? ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
Leonard,
I am gonna guess Q made a typo, but if not, hey whatever.
It's not like I have to go through life with a name like Quinton. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
I'd rather be called Kursty, or Sue... or a democrat!
Cal,
If the cat had only been worth $50 would it have made you feel better?
Wouldn't a coyote ordinarily be just as likely to see the flagging, and be interested in it, just like a cat?
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Leonard
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posted February 03, 2005 09:23 PM
Now just a durn minute, Sue. You gonna eat those words, if you ever actually kill a coyote. Also, don't be embarassed, bonding with Quinton is really cool.
But yeah, a coyote notices motion, but a cat is drawn, like a moth to a flame. And, normally, the coyote doesn't traverse the rimrock like a cat does. HE saunters down the middle of the wash and generally speaking, doesn't look up as much as he looks down. Or, at least, points his nose toward the ground.
But, a coyote does get up there, when he wants to. I once shot a coyote that was standing at the very peak of a mountain, skylined. At first I thought it was a deer? You just never know where they will turn up.
Good hunting. LB
PS, that would be my guess, as well. Typo.
(or bonding)
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Duncan Menads
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posted February 04, 2005 04:10 AM
Krusty, at the risk of sounding like I support you, I must say-- Good reponse! LOL!!!!
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posted February 04, 2005 04:27 AM
KRUSTY: "I'd rather be called Kursty, or Sue... or a democrat!"
Did you denounce your liberal tendencies around November 3rd?
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Tim Behle
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posted February 04, 2005 05:06 AM
Krusty,
I'm hoping he'll bring $20-25. But I've sold them for a dollar before. The fur sale is on Saturday, I'll let you know when I get back. I'm hoping to make enough off of my furs that I can hit the casino on my way out of town and pull the handle at least once
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Cal Taylor
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posted February 04, 2005 05:47 AM
Tim,
I use O'Gormans stuff alot. His gland lure is called Feline Essence. The other stuff I really like is John Grahams. He has one called TomCat and one called Badlands Bob.
Krusty,
As a general rule coyotes hate flags and cat lure. They will warily circle but not work a trap pattern. Alot of guys here will make another set 20 yards or so away form a cat set to pick up a circling coyote. And some guys including myself back alot of sets with snares and that will get a coyote or two. But I actually have the best luck on coyote snares with no bait involved. If they are smelling a set or working it they have their head up looking for the source and seem to pick out your snares better. They will work some cat lure, but the sweet minty catnip stuff really turns them off. I usually don't use much of that kind of lure anyway. I prefer the skunky stuff for cats. O'Gorman makes some stuff called Cat Pisser that I use alot and I have no idea what it is, but coyotes work it hard.
[ February 04, 2005, 05:47 AM: Message edited by: Cal Taylor ]
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Rich
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posted February 04, 2005 07:21 AM
Cal Taylor,
My old friend Monte Dodson uses a lot of used cat litter from fluffy's stink box. He uses it for cats but I know for a fact that he catches a coyote every now and then with that stuff.
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Rob
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posted February 04, 2005 01:27 PM
Del Kramer another old school coyote trapper said for years he kept a sand box in the corner of his yard for the neighborhood cats to use. He said a gallon of the cat sand made a mighty fine attractor for bobcats, coyotes, fox and coon.
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Q-Wagoner
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posted February 05, 2005 07:37 AM
Not that it matters Krusty but it was a typo. Lance pointed it out to me the other night on the phone. But hey, if it pisses you off I may have to run with it. LOL What’s this Democrat bashing stuff? You go out and get your self converted or something? There may be hope for you after all but then again I am probably getting ahead of my self. LOL
Good hunting.
Q,
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Krustyklimber
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posted February 05, 2005 12:53 PM
Guys,
Thanks, there's some great information in here.
I see now, that even if interested (by sight or by smell), it's the reaction that changes. And it's how a set is approached, that is key to the set working properly.
Leonard,
I am none too worried about having to eat those words. That's a mighty big IF.
And without a functional calling gun, they are currently in no danger from me.
Q,
As I already said, I figured it was a typo, so it didn't upset me in the least.
Krusty
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Cal Taylor
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posted February 05, 2005 01:38 PM
Since we're talking trapping, I can mention that I do have a few more cats. At least enough so that I wouldn't trade fur checks with Quinton. Breeding season is starting. I had two cats today withing 50 yds of each other. A main set and a backup. Female and a tom.
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posted February 05, 2005 09:13 PM
Glad things are making a turn around for you Cal. The big toms are probably moving around pretty good by now. Sounds like coyotes went down again as rumor has it? Don’t know. Two weeks ago the fur buyer quoted me 20 to $24 on my put up stuff so I was figuring I would end up with a $22 strait through. Not good but I have skinned them for a lot less. What are your top end cats running now. The cat market sounds like it is still strong?
Good hunting.
Q,
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Cal Taylor
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posted February 06, 2005 06:22 AM
Quinton,
E-mail me. I can't find your address. I do have some info for you about a fur buyer with a good coyote order. I don't know if he's paying any more than anyone else, but he does have a place to go with them.
As for the cats, they are kind of like the coyote market. The good ones are really good and the marginal ones ain't worth squat.
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Tim Behle
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posted February 06, 2005 07:00 AM
The buyers at yesterday's ATA fur sale obviously didn't have a market for coyotes. I was like about 60% of the guys there with coyotes in that I didn't even get a bid on my furs.
The buyers came to buy cats, and they didn't seem willing to pay top dollar on much. The top cat I saw sold for $311, Joe Melton had second place with a $305 cat and he said "No Sale" In fact, a lot of the guys "No Saled" a lot of their cats.
The coyotes that I did see sell went for $9-10. Top coyote was shot by a kid down here in my area. But he went up to the White mountains to kill it. It went for $24, and was the only single lot coyote I saw sell.
I also heard prices of $8 Beaver, $6 Badger, $2 coon I don't think any of the ringtails sold.
Grey fox were offered $9-11 and were mostly pulled, several kits sold for $5-6. Approximately 25% or more of the fox didn't even receive a bid.
The last receiving date for the next NAFA sale isn't until April 4th. I'm going to go ahead and finish off the trapping season at the end of this month and ship it all to Canada.
The best news of the day was that while waiting on the bids to come in I took the Wife over to the casino. We aren't much on gambling, but I gave her a dollar for the penny slots and she came back with $10.20 five minutes later. If you don't count what we spent on lunch, we ended up about $15 on top!
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posted February 06, 2005 09:12 AM
The coyote working a flagged set doesn't surprise me near as much as working an uncovered, stick surrounded cat set. They are usually a little selective about where they step. Of course I haven't seen that "drag queen" flag you were using Tim. LOL!
I used O'Gorman lures for almost all my trapping too. They are very good. Haven't had much luck with the cat lures though. I have had better luck with a chunk of beaver meat and castor smeared on the backing. Of course in warmer climates the beaver meat won't be convenient because of having to put fresh meat out all the time. Using bobcat urine usually gets porcupines in the traps around here. I like his LDC and Powder River for coyotes. I probably just use urine, coyote turds and bones more than anything for coyotes.
Snares rule when it comes to coyotes though.
Nice looking coyote Tim. Too bad the market is the way it is. Maybe it will change someday.
Good hunting
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Cal Taylor
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posted February 06, 2005 04:33 PM
Those are spectacular prices for Arizona cats Tim. I had no idea they were that high down there. Thats got to make our blue furballs from here worth something!
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Tim Behle
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posted February 06, 2005 04:40 PM
Cal,
Those were the High prices. Most of them went about $150-160.
A local kid I knew there sold 4 cats for $605. I'd have pulled them, but he was more interested in having cash in his hand.
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posted February 07, 2005 02:01 PM
Tim, was that $311 for a long tail, or bob?
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Tim Behle
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posted February 07, 2005 04:24 PM
Those cat prices were all Bobcat prices. We may not have the longest fur here in AZ, but we do have some snow white bellies with good spots
I know there is a market for Lions, but I've never shot a second lion to think about selling it, or even looked into what they sell for. The first lion I shoot will go to a full sized mount for the living room. I think the wife wants that cat more than I do!
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posted February 08, 2005 05:34 AM
I had my fur buyer (without seeing the fur) tell me 25 a piece for put up coyotes. He has been pretty good to me but i was thinking of sending them somewhere else for a better price. Anyone else here about prices like Q. Q what are you coyote like compared to our western ND or Eastern MT?
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