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Topic: Estrus chirps, anyone?
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Cdog911
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posted January 26, 2005 05:12 PM
Rich (specifically),
Gimme the lowdown on these estrus chirps. I've heard this vocalization mentioned in passing, but us fellas that don't get to go to your talks aren't privvy to the concept yet. Is there someplace we can hear a sound file? What can you tell us about them.
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Rich Higgins
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posted January 27, 2005 04:40 AM
Hey Lance, estrus chirps sound just like bird chirps. I produce them in a rhythmic sequence of four, which may be important, kinda like turkey clucks. It's the only way I've ever heard them. It is simply another coyote vocalization you can use on stand any time of year even though the sound itself is seasonal. The basic 101 cottontail boys get a chuckle from the concept, but the guys that are playing to a really hammered population might get an interesting result. Ronnie Robison has a really fascinating story about it from just last week. These four packs of coyotes within hearing distance of my house just don't respond to distress anymore. They've heard most everything, including electronic. They do respond to vocalizations. I've been testing the chirps only, no other sound, on them and the results are interesting/promising. Might make a good ambience/curiosity call for those stands you describe where nothing comes in.
I think Lohman is going to emphasize the estrus chirps when promoting their new She-Howler, designed by Ronnie. I hope their ads are explicit that this does not work like the mating calls of the turkey or elk, that coyotes are not driven by a "rut".
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Greenside
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posted January 27, 2005 05:03 AM
Rich,
Any possibility of making and posting a wave file of those chirps. Sure would like to get a better idea of how they sound.
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brad h
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posted January 27, 2005 05:45 AM
I can't check right now, but I think it was that Verminator movie, either way, it was a Randy Anderson deal where they got two coyotes filmed trying to mate. Some of the sound comes in quite well. It's kind of a high pitched bird/pup distress sound the female makes if that's the same one.
Brad
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Cdog911
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posted January 27, 2005 10:24 AM
Brad,
My first thought was to that sequence in Randy's video where they were trying to figure out what the sound was. I haven't had a chance to go back and look it up either.
Rich-
Are you using these chirps as a stand alone sound or juxtaposing them with other sounds/ vocalization?
Also, which calls have you found to work the best in making chirps? Open reeds, bite calls or howlers like the ones you make? A .wav would be invaluable, or a phone call. I can't find your number... again.
BTW, some of the guys around here continue to be blown away by your howler. Last night, I was out with two of my son's teachers who have become fervant callers in the past few weeks. On the last stand, I called with distresses first, then when it was just getting too dark to see real well, I did a lone howl, long and sad, in hopes that maybe while we waited the last ten minutes, one would answer me back as they got ready to go hunting. Scared the bejesus out of one of those guys, I think, because he sure came out of that treeline looking in a hurry. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Az-Hunter
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posted January 27, 2005 11:03 AM
Im curious, as your "estrus chirp" sequence progresses; is there an urgency to play them, harder,faster....harder, faster?
Is there a noticeable softening or subdued trilling at the end of the seranade, something representing consumation?
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Leonard
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posted January 27, 2005 11:34 AM
You've been watching too much yote porn!
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Cdog911
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posted January 27, 2005 03:30 PM
I just went and listened to it on Verminators and it's a series of four to five high-pitched "chirps", a lot like a black-capped chickadee in sound. I think a guy could pull it off with an AP-6 pretty easily.
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Rich Higgins
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posted January 27, 2005 04:30 PM
Wat too much doggie porn, Vic. Since you are my friend I could send Anna down there to visit for a spell?
Lance, my favorite call is the AP6, however an open reed reproduces that sound for me. Ronnie's Lohman call and the AP7 do well. Brad H's antler call that he made for me nails it dead on and that is what I have been using.
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Cdog911
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posted January 27, 2005 05:35 PM
Thanks. I'll give it a try.
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blakyote
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posted January 23, 2007 10:46 AM
Thanks bradH,for pointing me in the right direction.It's just what I was looking for.
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varmit hunter
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posted January 23, 2007 12:43 PM
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Wiley E
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posted January 27, 2007 10:17 AM
I would love to review the process of elimination research that concluded that the responding coyote was thinking, "HEY, I JUST HEARD AN ESTRUS CHIRP" when it responded. Hahaha!
I've had a lot better luck with the deep throated venison belch than the estrous chirp since the venison belch is far more common.
Interesting theory nonetheless!
Az Hunter: "Im curious, as your "estrus chirp" sequence progresses; is there an urgency to play them, harder,faster....harder, faster?
Is there a noticeable softening or subdued trilling at the end of the seranade, something representing consumation?"
Hahaha!
Wonder if you can get a coyote to chirp like Jena Jameson?
Rich,
You're overanalyzing again. LOL!
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coyote whacker
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posted January 27, 2007 11:43 AM
Scott: LMAO ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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slydog
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posted February 03, 2007 12:59 PM
Scott,
Remember back in the day, people thought we were crazy for blowing a tune on a distress call, but it worked. Then came the howlers and again the skeptics thought we were crazy, completely out of our minds to sit in the bushes and howl like a coyote, but again it worked for those who worked on it and learned the vocalizations.
I know the name "chirp" may not be manly enough for ya bet the science behind it works. I have been playing with it for over a year and in conjunction with other vocalizations its deadly.
So while everyone is pokin fun at the few who aren't afraid to dabble, with new vocalizations and NEW thought. Those of us who aren't afraid to try new ideas and thought are killin the heck out of these dogs that baffel most late season "hunters".
Just keep tellin it like it is Rich and Ronnie. Some of us are learning and having success with these new sounds and I like being the only one in my area using this sound..........LOL and doin it alot latley.
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Rich Higgins
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posted February 04, 2007 10:26 AM
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I would love to review the process of elimination research that concluded that the responding coyote was thinking, "HEY, I JUST HEARD AN ESTRUS CHIRP" when it responded. Hahaha!
LOL. Scott, it is a mistake to andropomorph coyote behavior. Coyotes do not interpret sounds logically and analyticaly as humans do. Coyotes respond to distress and vocalizations instinctually. No coyote will hear a puppy distress in January and think "I'm not supposed to hear that for five more months." They simply respond to the distress component and you know it. You're just busting my chops.HaHaHa.
They probably respond to "female solicitation yips" or as Ronnie so cleverly coined them "estrus chirps"(I know Bill Martz is pounding his forehead flat with the heel of his hand repeating "Why the hell didn't I think of that?" ) for the same reasons that they respond to any vocalization, instinctually motivated by social and or territorial issues.
Their manner of approach, whether they sneak in or run in with enthusiasm, is influenced by their most recent experiences, as you know.
It's just another sound that can be used to attract coyotes.
You're waaaay overanalyzing this. LOL!
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Rooster
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posted February 04, 2007 10:48 AM
I bought a Primos Hawk/Quail Mod. 311 that does a really good estrus chirp. Stick your finger in the bell to block the airflow. Sounds pretty much like the chirps on the Randy Anderson video.
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blakyote
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posted February 04, 2007 11:51 AM
I've been playing with this sound the last few times out.I'm using a Carlton open reed,it looks identical to the Critter call pee wee.I went to a spot that has been pounded real hard,trapping and calling,by me.I've called in about 10 coyotes there.It was about -15 below zero,around 2am,under a fullmoon.I started the stand with a high pitched lone howl,and waited.About 10 min. later I got some howls back,and a few yips,about a 1/2 mile away.I howled back,with the Red Dessert and a homemade howler I made.Then went silent.About 10 min. later they howled back and were about a 1/4 mile away.I decided to try the estrus chirps,sound carries in that cold.I did a couple of chirps and waited.About 5min. later a lone coyote barked from the wood edge about 400yds away,I barked back,in a higher pitch,he barked back.Then I went silent,for a couple minutes.Then hit the chirp again,but nothing.A couple minutes later,I threw out a medium high pitch challenge,and waited,but nothing.After about 45 min. or so of this,we snuck out as quietly as possible,our fingrs were about froze stiff.So maybe next time,I'll set up in there,but a different spot.Any thoughts on what I might have done wrong.
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Rich
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posted February 04, 2007 01:55 PM
blakyote,
Why when I was your age, I wouldn't let a little thing like frozen fingers and toes stop me. Just Yanking your chain a bit, LOL. I think you did just fine in that scenario. Next time you will kill one or two of those buggers. Keep up the good work. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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slydog
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posted February 05, 2007 12:55 AM
I have some questions.
Were you repeeting what the coyote said, Did you try to escalate the responces by cutting off the threats or barks. Old dogs don't like to be interupted, It will piss them off. A mad dog is likely to come straight in rather than go for the wind. It works trust me.
Did you do anything wrong? No It sounds like you did the right things but try what I told ya. I bet it pays off. I would change my howlers out and don't sound the same. change it up, step outside the box.
Keep makin stands It will get real western over the next month or so.
sly
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Wiley E
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posted February 05, 2007 07:24 AM
Sly Dog: "I have been playing with it for over a year and in conjunction with other vocalizations its deadly."
So tell me Mr. Sly Dog, how did you determine that the coyote responding to your "SO CALLED" estrous chirp was responding because he thought he heard a female coyote in estrous give out a "chirp"???
Hmmmmmm?????
I'd love to hear how you deducted, through the process of elimination, that the coyote was responding because he heard an "estrous chirp" instead of "pr. dog chirp" or a "pack rat chirp" or a hundred other chirps.
Looks to me like another "QUEST FOR ORIGINALITY" while the coyote responded because he heard something that intrigued his curiousity that he'd never heard before.
Gotta have something new to sell though right?
I've spent a lifetime around coyotes as well as the many men I work with and none of them have ever heard this so called "ESTROUS CHIRP" even prior to watching a dog coyote pour the coals to the bitch.
I've heard it with bobcats and mountain lions but not coyotes.
Also consider the fact that most coyote populations are young of the year and they sure as hell haven't heard a female coyote in estrous so you've eliminated that faction as knowing what an estrous chirp sounds like if there is such a thing.
You can let your imagination run wild with WHAT YOU THINK COYOTES HEAR but the bottom line is that coyotes don't talk so you can sell just about any concept you want can't you?
I know a number of callers that have called coyotes in with baby doll reeds. Funny they didn't try to sell that original concept and call it "THE PAMPER CHIRP".
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stevecriner
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posted February 05, 2007 07:29 AM
Okay,why everyone is talking estrous chirps i thought i would ask this. In your opinion is there a bomb proof sound that reals them everytime no matter if it is a distress or solicitation or just plain vocal? Im curious. You dont even have to us about the sound, just your opinion if it is bomb proof.
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Leonard
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posted February 05, 2007 07:31 AM
Nope
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Wiley E
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posted February 05, 2007 07:36 AM
I can't say that there is a sound that is 100% in all areas under all conditions in all situations but I can tell you that I know a sound that I have used that was never refused if the coyotes had no idea I was there.
I call it "the Jena chirp" but I wouldn't be so arrogant as to tell you what the coyote thought he heard.
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blakyote
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posted February 05, 2007 08:29 AM
Sly,
I pretty much repeated back to him.The red desert howler I used was the first time I had it out,I just got it on a trade,so never used one before.Mostly used a JS mouth piece in a bell I carved and rasped out of maple,or my little open reed carlton,which both produced good over the years.Like I said,it's been pounded pretty hard by me trapping and calling.But next time out there,I'll try interupting him and see what happens.The farmer who owns the land,likes the body count.
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