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Topic: 17 caliber SP10
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Leonard
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posted December 28, 2004 10:35 AM
Just read where Cal Taylor, (against strong advice to the contrary), intends to use his version of "Moose Dick" on coyotes. Ofr course, you need to avoid the shoulder, surgical precision being the byword.
On a serious note; seems like extending the magazine wouldn't be impossible, for a clever gunsmith? A little late in the game, though?
Good hunting. LB
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Bud/OR
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posted December 28, 2004 01:58 PM
I can't believe I'm doing this...
What...? What...? Oh crap.
What in hell is 'Moose Dick?
Please be gentle. I just found out one of the ingredients in your 'Magic Mist' is not frog related.
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Leonard
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posted December 28, 2004 03:26 PM
Okay, Bud. There is a well known outdoor writer, Gerry Blair, that wrote a few stories about his faithful companion, a 10 gauge he calls, "Moose Dick".
Everybody; everybody knows who Gerry Blair is, a nice gentleman, who's death was greatly exaggerated, and a member of this Board, in fact.
After that frog urine remark, you are lucky to get an explain. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Good hunting. LB
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Cal Taylor
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posted December 28, 2004 05:04 PM
Leonard, I am still investegating lengthening the magazine. Choate (the company that makes the stocks) makes magazine extension for several shotguns, but they are out of the office for a couple weeks so I can't get in touch with them to see if they make (or can) one for an SP10. What a wicked shotgun. 54 of those 17 caliber gems per trigger pull. 3 rounds=162 17 caliber bullets in a couple seconds. And with another round or two imagine the fun.
[ December 28, 2004, 05:05 PM: Message edited by: Cal Taylor ]
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Tim Behle
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posted December 28, 2004 06:02 PM
I've had the good fortune of shooting a few of those SP10's Man I love that gun!
When it comes to hunting coyotes or fox at night, it is the perfect gun to take along!
That's probably the one gun I've wanted for the longest, yet never bought myself. Two more years until the last two kids graduate, maybe then!
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S.Frame
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posted December 29, 2004 04:12 PM
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against strong advice to the contrary
Relax fellas, he obviosly knows good resources when he sees them. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Cal, I’ve checked everywhere that I know of, and I am convinced that no one has ever made an after market mag tube extension for the sp-10. Ithaca manufactured what amounts to the exact same shotgun before they sold the rights to Big Green, and during their production run they did make a Law Enforcement only model called the “Roadblocker.” Since most parts interchange between the two, I thought there might be such a thing as a mag tube extension for the darn thing. It turns out that there wasn’t; the LE version had the same capacity as all the rest.
It wouldn’t be all that hard to make one from scratch out of the right size seamless tubing.
If you are dead set on increasing the capacity of that beast, your best bet may be to buy a mag tube and have it cut to the appropriate length, and threaded for some sort of coupling to join the two. Pauls guns has the tube listed for $35 , and only one end should need to be cut and threaded if you use a factory tube.
Your existing spring may or may not work with such an addition, but Wolf Springs could custom wind you one at minimal cost if need be.
If you get the tube, and can't get anyone to do the machine work, let me know.
BTW Cal, #4 Buck is of the gigantic .240" deer killing size. If you want to join the .17 club use copper plated "BB" shot at .180"
Tim, I hope to see you soon buddy. You, Mike, and myself have a day set aside....right?
Good calling fellas.
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Tim Behle
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posted December 29, 2004 05:27 PM
I've a "Safety Appreciation award day" That I have to take some time next month. I'm saving it to hunt with you and Mike. Maybe throw a few steaks on the grill and kill a couple of cold beers. Just let me know what day will work best for the two of you.
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Cal Taylor
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posted December 30, 2004 02:07 PM
Thanks Frame, and you are correct about the 4buck. (I will open mouth and insert foot). I have disassembled that gun and it "looks" possible, but I'm no gunsmith by any stretch of the imagination. But I will delve into it farther. I appreciate the good info.
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Leonard
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posted December 30, 2004 05:37 PM
I was thinking that the easiest modification to the tube would be to cut it in the middle and add a piece of tubing, heli arc'd. That way you wouldn't have to change any fittings or machining on either end. Of course, using two standard springs, in tandem might work, you would need to know how much room they need, in addition to the two shells.
If you were real good, you would get those coyotes to line up properly, for a "two fer".
Good hunting. LB
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varmit_master
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posted January 04, 2005 08:15 PM
Hi i am new glad to be a memeber i like to talk to any body about coyote hunting i have a Remington SP 10ga Mossy oak camo 23 inch barrel custom choke i got it for turkey hunting But to good of a gun to let sat for the rest of the yr so i started coyote hunting with it some time back i use Fed. lead copper platted BB's 2 1/4 oz loads for coyotes and buckshot i killed a 5 point buck with it at 45 yrds with # 1 buckshot with a custom choke in it i have a B-sqaure mount for it and a 2.5x32mm scope too VM
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Leonard
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posted January 04, 2005 09:32 PM
Welcome to the New Huntmaster, varmit_master. Glad to have you on board. That SP10 looks like a real good deal.
Good hunting. LB
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Krustyklimber
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posted January 05, 2005 12:53 AM
Bud,
To quote Kermit the Frog, "it ain't easy bein' green"... is it? (been there, done that)
Leonard's right, even me the village idiot, knew that a 10ga is a shotgun with a barrel as big as a "moose' dick".
But had you not read Mr Blair's book you would not know that popular refference.
You should find a copy, there's a lot more good information in it (besides "coyote culture" slang).
Leonard,
The problem with making the magazine longer (or shorter) is twofold.
First the tube must replaced or remade longer.
And second if there's much taper in the barrel, the clamp that holds the end of the magazine must be replaced or reworked.
To cut the tube and weld in a section, the welds would deform the inside of the tube, then it would have to be bored clean, and true, again (otherwise the shells won't slide).
That's one of the problems encountered in Ithaca 37s that are put up wet, or dropped onto the magazine tube, the sping cup and/or shells can get jammed in the tube.
If the tube is similar to the one on the Ithaca, it would be an easy part for a good gunsmith/machinist to make.
Somebody made the one that's on it now, it's a matter of demand, that would drive the same companies that make them for Ithaca's to make them for the 10ga Cal's looking at.
I sure can't imagine there's that many crazy fools, with any money in their pocket, out there.
I haven't had "regular" computer access for awhile, I missed where he explained why he'd ever need more then one shot worth of abuse from some Moose Dick wannabe.
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Leonard
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posted January 05, 2005 06:28 AM
Krusty, I assumed that anyone that knew enough to TIG weld a piece of tube would realize that he needed to purge the inside with argon. There may be some straightening required, hard to say, but that's not beyond the realm, either.
Good hunting. LB
edit: PS Cal thinks big, why let the fourth coyote get away while he reloads?
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Cal Taylor
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posted January 05, 2005 06:53 AM
Wasn't it Elmer Kieth that said something to the effect that any man that can't handle recoil, is a puss? Actually, the recoil is entirely bearable. Just a big old shove and it's easy to get back on target. I have had two friends that shoot alot of 12 guage 3 1/2's say that the 10 gauge is milder. The recoil that bothers me is some of the new Ultra magnum rifles. It is sharp, fast and unbelievably violent.
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Krustyklimber
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posted January 06, 2005 02:48 PM
Leonard,
Even the best welder/machinist would have trouble doing the job, cleanly, quickly and cheaply.
I just meant that Mr Frame's idea of a threaded collar seems the most appropriate, and cost effective, fix.
Cal could easily buy a second mag tube from Rem, have it and the stock one cut so that when threaded back together with a collar, they'd hold the extra shells he wants.
And as long as the tube support clamp fits, he'd be in business... BIG TIME!
Krusty
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Tim Behle
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posted January 06, 2005 03:43 PM
I won't shoot a 3.5" 12 ga. Call me a wimp if you want, but that little gun wasn't designed to shoot those loads and it creates more damage at the butt, than at the muzzle.
A proper 10 ga is a joy to shoot. Like Cal said, just a gentle push, and then a big cloud of dust comes off of the coyote.
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varmit hunter
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posted January 06, 2005 05:08 PM
Tim, How right you are about those 3.5". The first time I shot one I just had a T shirt on, 2 1/8 oz Turkey loads. I could not believe how bad it kicked the first time. So dump me shot it twice more.
Hevi-Shot just sent me the new 3.5" T shot. Time to break out the heavy jacket before I test them.
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Greenside
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posted January 10, 2005 05:13 AM
Some day I'll get me one of those SP 10's, but for now I'm going to stick with my old Marlin Goose Special 10. I bought it in the mid to late 70's for under 100 bucks. Cut the barrel down to 26" and had a Colonial full choke intalled. It's a 3 shot bolt, 1 in the hole and two in the clip. The bolt is about as sloppy as a long action savage, but it works.
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S.Frame
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posted January 10, 2005 09:25 AM
Actually, what I had in mind was to buy a second magazine cap and use that for a coupling to join the extension to the existing tube.
It would be a simple lathe job to bore it through and extend the threads to the end.
Cut the new mag tube to the right length, thread one end for the cap and you should be in buisness. It might also be good idea to drill and tap the "coupling" for a cup-point set screw for good measure.
Screw the "coupling" on the existing tube, screw the extension into the coupling, and screw the cap on the extension.
That's how I'd do it if it were mine.
It would be possible to TIG weld the tube if you turned a piece of copper bar to the I.D. of the tube to act as a chill block, but Krusty is right, some warpage would be inevitable, and it could be a problem.
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Krustyklimber
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posted January 10, 2005 10:39 PM
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...but Krusty is right...
Neener neener neener! ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
Man that's gotta suck.
Shaun, I hadn't thought of a copper "chill block", that's an awesome idea. Not foolproof though.
The second end cap, for the connector (with set screws), is pure freakin genius.
Since I am on a roll, wouldn't you want to use a cut-off tool (cutting perpendicular to the work) to remove top of the cap, so's not to remove the threads inside?
I actually worked a couple years as a machine operator/welder in a machine shop, so I have a little experience in the field.
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posted January 11, 2005 12:11 AM
Hi my dad has a Benelli SBE 12ga 3 1/2 with a custom.650 choke with Win High Vel turkey loads in # 5 shot and i have the Rem SP 10ga with a custom choke .675 Win High Vel turkey loads in 5 shot and the 12ga kicks the sh@t out of you where the 10ga pushs back i would shoot the 10ga any time over the 12ga VM
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Leonard
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posted January 11, 2005 08:47 AM
If there exists fittings to accomplish the extention, that's far and away the easiest.
FYI
Titanium Inert Gas welding, done by someone with the necessary skills, and using a purge gas, while temporarily sealing interior, does not require a heat sink of any sort, the interior of the weld being as smooth as the outside surface.
This is commonly known as "sanitary welding" in the food and dairy industry. If I can do it, (and I can) there are others that could do it. Granted, I possess the talent and the necessary skills to then weld the ends shut, if need be, but joining two pieces of tubing is not very difficult for any skilled welder that knows how to inject the right gas pressure to the inside of the tubing.
My suggestion is impractical for anyone not aware of the process, that's for sure. Many (otherwise) certified welders have gained a degree of humility, attempting to join pipe or tubing in the above described method.
So, humor me in this. Do not suggest it cannot be done or it won't work. I know otherwise. LB
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posted January 11, 2005 04:53 PM
oops
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S.Frame
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posted January 11, 2005 05:51 PM
I'll humor you Leonard. It COULD be done that way, but it's a one shot deal with no gracefull escape if Murphy pays a visit.
I used to teach Tungsten Inert Gas welding, as well as MIG and SMAW at Hayes Tech in Grove City, hold an "R" stamp certification for high pressure steam, and I can assure you that welding that tube while keeping everything in perfect alignment would be a tough one, and not reversable if a fellow wanted to restore it to original condition.
I also possess the talent, skills, and experience to join that tube in the manner described, but I wouldn't do it that way if it were mine.
I like threaded stuff; it makes life easier when you can return to the place you started without using an angle grinder and cut-off wheel.
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posted January 11, 2005 06:15 PM
I own on of those fine sp10s and have thought about this conversion also.The tube shouldnt be to hard to make,but that block on the barrel scares the crap out of me.If you make the mag tube longer you also have to move the barrel lug.I just cant see myself taking a torch to a $331 barrel (MSRP).These arent made like 1100/11-87/870
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