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Posted by Predator Down (Member # 453) on December 11, 2004, 08:05 PM:
Looks as if we have alot of good guys out there filming videos.
why not compare notes as of .
Type of camera , tripod , boom mics, editing software ect. that we use.
who knows we might teach each other something.
We use a canon GL-2 with a pro master 6850 tripod along with a sima boom mic.
We are editing with studio 9 w/ movie box so far we are 1 hour and 15 minutes in and still have hunts in New Mexico to film in January.
We should get our videos done and then plan a film makers hunt to offer the customers a chance to see a mixture of vidoe makers on the same video . Sounds like fun .
Travis
Coyote Creek Outdoors
Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on December 12, 2004, 02:19 PM:
Panasonic AG-DVX100A p, Sony TRV18, JVC GR-DX77u and Mattie uses a Sportzshot.
Editing with FinalCut Pro on a MacIntosh Powerbook G4
Posted by Todd Woodall (Member # 439) on December 12, 2004, 03:05 PM:
Nothing Fancy. Just a decent camera(Sony VX 2000) and alot of work. I would give you the lo down on all our other equip but I dont have a clue what the specs are. We just find something that works and go with it. Dont have a boom mic, too fancy for us and we would just brake it anyway. We tend to brake anything that is not made of concrete or steel. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Our editor uses Adobe Premier and a few other programs I know nothing about. Do you have a video out already or is this the maiden voyage. Good luck on the vid. Todd Woodall
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on December 12, 2004, 03:59 PM:
GL1, Sennheiser shotgun (camera mounted), Adobe Premiere.
Have broken and repaired the camera mount for that shotgun mic too many times to count. Have to use it though, the onboard mic on the GL1 just isn't sensitive enough.
Adobe Premiere is the most bug ridden unstable piece of shit software I've ever had to use, too.
- DAA
Posted by Byron South (Member # 213) on December 12, 2004, 04:02 PM:
Sony VX-2000.
Monfrotto fluid head/tripod(recently perchased), and Azden lapel mics.
Ulead Media Studio Pro editing software.
Travis,
It would be a hoot for all us somehow to get together. People who consistently call coyotes definately have my respect, but people filming these hunts certainly have a different level of my respect. Calling coyotes in is not all together easy, and putting this action on film sure adds another wrinkle to it.
Byron
Posted by Byron South (Member # 213) on December 12, 2004, 04:07 PM:
Dave,
Ulead is not any better. From my understanding though. Most has problems and bugs. Editing software will sure test your patience.
Anybody heard anything about Final Cut Pro.. It is supposed to be avaialble for PC now.
Byron
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on December 12, 2004, 04:54 PM:
Byron, I've seen Final Cut Pro on the Mac. If it's available for the PC, and I were buying new editing software today, that is what I'd get.
We've had a Manfrotto with a 501 head since the beginning. But, we never use it for coyote hunts. Just too big and heavy to suit us. Works awesome for more civilized settings like prairie dogs or rock chucks though! But for coyotes, we use el-cheapo tripods (have broken 3 of them now). They sit lower, which helps, we were getting busted too often with the Manfrotto, because it won't easily go as low. And much lighter, which also helps, toting from stand to stand all day. Definitely though, you can tell the difference in the footage. The heavier tripod with the nice head makes for smoother video, no doubt about it!
- DAA
Posted by Jay Nistetter (Member # 140) on December 12, 2004, 06:46 PM:
Canon ZR70 w/ shotgun mike.
Sharp VLVerbatim tripod
Slik
Vanguard mono
[u]Editing software used for varying effects:[/u]
Pinnacle Studio
Video Deluxe
Plus Photo Story
Magix
ULead Cool 3D
Canopus
Windows Movie Maker
ShowBiz
Ulead Video Studio
ACL audio cleaning lab
arconverter
I have frequently checked about Final Cut Pro for PC and have found no mention at all in any of the computer and video magazines.
Posted by Predator Down (Member # 453) on December 12, 2004, 06:49 PM:
Byron,
you got that right its darn hard to film those coyotes and it seems every weekend I want to chunck that camera and just shoot dogs. man it bugs me so much to hear Nate my camera man say letum come , letum come and before I know it the darn yote has come and gone lol.
DAA
The first night out with the GL-2 we have it on the el cheapo tripod and nate is walking across the field with it proped on his shoulder and crack . The head on the tripod breaks in half and 4000 bucks of camera equipment is bouncing of the ground. After that night high end tri pods from here out.
Todd
this is our first video to be released to the public we have filmed several turkey videos and some bow fishing videos but Predators is were our hearts are. we live for the day to put another (Predator Down)
[ December 12, 2004, 06:56 PM: Message edited by: Predator Down ]
Posted by Todd Woodall (Member # 439) on December 12, 2004, 07:01 PM:
Predator Down,
Good deal, we just put our first one out this year. Man that editing is for the birds. We figured we were almost there when we got all the footage, boy were we wrong. Listen to Nate, The closer the better. It is tough filming but as you probably know after a while you feel naked without the camera. Good luck and keep us informed on your progress. Pics are always nice and people love to see them.
Todd Woodall
[ December 12, 2004, 07:02 PM: Message edited by: Todd Woodall ]
Posted by Predator Down (Member # 453) on December 12, 2004, 07:59 PM:
Todd here are some photos from the video for you. 
this one we let walk but we got his buddy
these are of a yote we took in western oklahoma
[ December 12, 2004, 08:16 PM: Message edited by: Predator Down ]
Posted by Jeff Thomason (Member # 440) on December 12, 2004, 08:40 PM:
Hey predator down, those are some good looking pics. That one coyote is even waving to the camera! How did you get him to do that? Good Luck with the video, it is alot of tough work.
Posted by varmit hunter (Member # 37) on December 13, 2004, 07:19 AM:
I am lucky. Lohman provides the cameraman and all the editing. I show up and try not to screw up. Like the time twelve years ago. We were working with a new fold out card board blind. I had a Turkey in full strut at twenty yards. Instead of shooting the Turkey, I put the arrow through the blind a half inch from the top.
Having no editorial control the whole world got to see me screw up at the shot show that year. I got camo band aids for the blind from all over the country.
I really admire you guys that do it all from start to finish. That is a incredible amount of work.
Ronnie
Posted by nd coyote killer (Member # 40) on December 13, 2004, 07:45 AM:
What is a guy looking at to get set up like you guys as far as money? Those camera can't be cheap that your using to get footage like that with zoom? Just wondering if its something that i could afford.
Posted by Cal Taylor (Member # 199) on December 13, 2004, 08:58 AM:
Actually N.D. you are in luck. I am upgrading to a Canon GL2 and I have a Canon XL1 for sale. You can be in the video business too! LOL!
Seriously though, the XL1 is in great shape if anyone is interested.
As for the rest of the stuff I have a Bogen tri pod that I really like, because the legs will go all the way flat and you can sit on them which lets you get considerably lower for coyote hunting.
Posted by Byron South (Member # 213) on December 13, 2004, 09:38 AM:
Cool story Ronnie,
I have one very similar except I shot my camera. I was sitting in a ground blind watching five or six longbeards steadily aproaching my position. With my brand new $2500.00 camera on a tripod. I was filming them until they got into a good position for a shot. I leaned over to draw my bow out of view of the window. That killer instict took over, I forgot to allow enough room in the window for my NEW camera. The big tom that I picked out for Thanksgiving supper faded to the left a little and my 20 yard pin did as well. Squeezed the release and WHAMMMM!!!!. My "NEW" camera spun around on the tipod and fell over. I imediately became very ill. I thought I was going to loose my lunch. This camera was barely a week old. I gathered my nerve, picked it up, inspected it. I had barely grazed the plastic lens shield, cutting about a 1 1/2 gash in it. That camera is now three years old and has still not missed a beat. I was very LUCKY. No I didn't get the turkey.
nd coyote killer,
It's just like every thing else these days. You have to decide first how serious you are. To get a good quality camera expect to spend 2-3K, then you can choose to have the footage edited for you at a cost of about 75- 125 dollors per hour. You can also purchase the equiptment and edit it yourself. This can be very expensive and very frustrating, especially if you have no experience with editing software. There are countless other expenses and accesories that some feel are needed and others don't. One word of caution. This can be very enjoyable as a hobby and very expensive as a career. I've been at it for about four years now and I'm just now realizing how much I don't know. My advise to anyone contemplateing filming hunting videos is to do a real gut check first. Is it worth it to turn your passion into your job. Both are sometimes hard to enjoy at the same time. I wouldn't discourage anyone from giving it a try, but I often wonder if I knew what all was involved if I would have even bothered. For me the answer is still maybe. I still enjoy hunting/calling as much as ever, just now I can't seem to go anywhere by myself. Its a consatnt battle finding a good shooter or camera man that can afford to work for lunch. I envy Todd a Jeff in that they have a common goal and work as a team. Sorry to go on so long, but I'll bet most of the people that have made videos will agree, that most people can't fathum what it take to get a finished product to market, and thats just the beginning.
Byron
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 13, 2004, 09:55 AM:
This has to be one of the most unusual threads I have read, relating (in any way) to hunting predators.
As far as dedication, my hat's off to those that accept the challenge, for the rest of us.
Another point, mentioned by BY-RON, is the need for a good "companion" to share the burdens. (get your mind out of the gutter)
But, seriously, we have had a few conversations in the past, on HM about partners. To have a good partner that you get along with, has the same level of enthusiasm, and is available when you want to go, and is RELIABLE....well, that's so fortunate.
Of course, Byron has Anna, so what the heck?
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Jay Nistetter (Member # 140) on December 13, 2004, 10:10 AM:
Leonard. I think Byron's frustration is because he DOESN'T have Anna. I think Higgins still has her. Last I saw of her it was dark and she was tucked under Higgin's arm at the HM Gathering East of Wilcox. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Or maybe it was when I saw her sitting on a log next to you by the campfire. Or was when she has caught in that bear trap. Hmmm. I don't think she's in Texas.
Posted by Greenside (Member # 10) on December 13, 2004, 10:25 AM:
Sorry for the off topic, that reminds me of a joke.
A man comes home at night with a sheep tucked under his arm. He sees his wife as he walks into the kitchen and says: "Honey,this is the pig I've been having sex with for the last few years" The wife looks at him and responds: " You idiot, thats not a pig thats a sheep" The man replys: "Shut up, I wasn't talking to you!"
Dennis
Edit: add Honey
[ December 13, 2004, 10:46 AM: Message edited by: Greenside ]
Posted by Jeff Thomason (Member # 440) on December 13, 2004, 11:05 AM:
Good One Greenside! Byron has got it absolutely right! This video was more work than Todd and myself ever thought it would be. We knew each other could hunt and shoot(some of us better than others) But we really wanted to check ourselves and see how devoted we really were. So the first year we just took the good old Cheap video camera and went to work. That first year was a great learning experience. I think we killed around 20 or so that would have made for great footage, if it was with a better camera. But we kept telling ourselves that this year was our "trial" run. After that we thought we had what it took, and hit it full speed. The hunting came natural, and the filming wasnt too difficult. Then we realized we had to edit, Then get music, then find a duplicating company, then get a website designed, then figure out a way to pay for all of this stuff! Remeber we are just POOR fireman! No rich moms or dads to pay for this stuff. So 8 months after filming was done the video was finally on the market! We have actually sold 3 or 4 so I guess it was all worth it! So I guess what I am saying is if you want to do this try it out for a year or so BEFORE you sink 5 thousand or better into it.
Posted by varmit hunter (Member # 37) on December 13, 2004, 01:27 PM:
Byron, Thanks for trying to make me feel better, But after the blind incident they wont let me behind a camera.
I know this is ugly of me, But I would have paid big money to have been there when that camera went over. I think I would have slept with that camera in my arms that night.
Ronnie
Posted by keekee (Member # 465) on December 13, 2004, 02:02 PM:
Well, this is my first predator video, So, I was in for alot more than I thought! I shot turkey,deer video's alot in the past but always had a camera man for someone elses company. So, when we started this last year it was screwed up from the get go...lol
I didnt have any idea how to run the camera so I sent all my time trying to learn,film and figure all this out. I got it, then it was time to teach two other people to run it as well. Its been a very good experince and man have I learned alot! It changed everything when I started filming every hunt I went on. I enjoy it, but dont think Its going to make me rich! Im into it up to my eye balls now. But having a great time.
I dont do my editing I have a parner that does all that well we will do it togeather. And there are three of us running camera's my hunting partner, my wife and me. Im shooting with a Sony GL 2 and we have another small camera but Im not sure on the numbers. I have some new equipment on the way from the other half of the partnership to!
My tri-pod sucks! It a cheap one so my next find will be a good tri pod.
Brent
[ December 13, 2004, 02:02 PM: Message edited by: keekee ]
Posted by Predator Down (Member # 453) on December 13, 2004, 07:12 PM:
Cal
what do you want for the XL-1 I might know someone looking for one.
Posted by Barndog (Member # 255) on December 14, 2004, 02:16 PM:
I got out of filming when VHS went to 8X what a year it was, packing a 8 pound brief case on my shoulders trying to sneek through black sagebrush on some elk. For those of you who want to try editing, take your tapes to your local high school vocational building. If they have a graphic arts class more than likely they are more than willing to try to make something of your stuff. Just be greatful what you get because it's usually free minus the tapes. We found this kid once who was really good, he even packed the camera for us on a few hunts. For those of you who live near Cedar City. Cedar High School has one of the best graphic art centers I've ever seen. Hopefully Mr. Anderson is still there. He'll try his hardest to get your hot spot locations and it may cost you a few to get your editing done, but its worth it. I wouldn't recomend this if you plan to sell your tapes, it wouldn't be fair to local business. But it will give you an idea of what it takes to edit. My hat is off to those of you who have kept with it. Thanks for the great videos (DVD's).
Posted by Cal Taylor (Member # 199) on December 14, 2004, 03:03 PM:
Predator Down,
I'm asking $1600 for that camera. It's in good shape and it does take some awesome video.
Posted by Predator Down (Member # 453) on December 14, 2004, 03:20 PM:
Cal I will try to sell it for you I will let you know.
Posted by predatordown (Member # 689) on September 04, 2005, 07:07 PM:
Well its been a while since we talked about our equipment for filming. Is everyone still using the same camera , tripod , editing software ect. ?
Posted by 2dogs (Member # 649) on September 05, 2005, 04:39 PM:
Interesting discussion.
I took our cheapo JVC Super VHS, with 20x power optical-zoom, 600-dig. With me one day last winter. Wind ripping out of the NW, well below zero wind-chill.
Managed to spot 7-coyotes that day. Filmed 6 from my truck window. Mounted my camera on my spotter, window mount.
Everthing looked pretty good. Until, I got home & viewed the vid. Most footage was quivering & moving from the wind. Couldn't tell that at the time.
I've seen quite afew of you guy's, that make coyote vid's. My hat[if I had one]is off to ya
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