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Dave
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posted November 11, 2004 08:02 PM
Krusty,
How goes the battle with the classes and permits and all the other burocratic b.s. they want you to go through. How does the trap building going?
Dave
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Krustyklimber
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posted November 11, 2004 10:23 PM
Dave,
Thanks for askin'. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
It's not going at all.
I called the state this week, Chuck, the one and only guy who knows anything about the home study course is on vacation
I haven't gotten anything done as far as making any traps yet either, I don't want to make a bunch of them and then not be able to use them.
I guess all I can do is, hurry up, and wait... ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Dave
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posted November 12, 2004 09:58 PM
Krusty,
You just have to love the art of bureaucracy. I just returned from one of the best high school football games that I ever saw! My home town team just won the school's first ever state championship!! They held them for four down's inside the 5 yard line with only a two point lead with a minute left!!!!!!!!!! It was awsome. Well anyway good luck with the trapping. I plan on starting this weekend for some coon. Talk to you later.
Dave
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Krustyklimber
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posted November 15, 2004 02:53 PM
Dave,
I can jump through hoops with the best of em, just line em up and tell me which way to go, I don't even mind if a few of them are on fire.
Okay so I called back today, and spoke with Chuck.
He was very nice about it, said he had my application on his desk.
He also said that, at this point, there is no home study manual or a test.
The test and the manual have been written, but they haven't been approved or printed yet. He said he had no idea how long that could take.
I recently did some work with a guy that runs a commercial refrigeration repair company, and he has a BIG pile of wire racks and shelving, I think I found a good place to get some materials for building cages.
I really like the door/trip system on your trap, but I like the idea of a guillotine style door too.
The door swinging in, with a basic washer lock, is simple and effective, and durable.
Do you mostly use your cage traps for "targeted" ADC type of stuff, or as part of your fur line, or both?
Do you stake the traps down, and if so how?
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I plan on starting this weekend for some coon.
How's it going? (*Tim, you get any more cool critters?)
Krusty
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Tim Behle
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posted November 15, 2004 03:15 PM
Nothing for me lately, but I only have one trap out at the south end of my property right now.
I spent Veterans day setting out a coyote line. Only to have a land owner use his God given right to be an A$$hole on Friday and post his land against trespassing. I wasn't trapping on him, but I need to drive across a quarter mile dirt two track to get from the public road, to the property I was trapping on.
He is with in his rights to not allow me to cross his private property, so I pulled my traps.
I may get the chance to set a few out on Thursday or Friday, but it will most likely be Saturday before I get a chance to do much.
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Leonard
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posted November 15, 2004 05:05 PM
Tim, seems like there was some talk, at the camp out, that things were tightening up down in your corner of the world? Must be suffering because it's the best dang coyote hunting on the planet, huh? Too many vacationers on the predator safari of a lifetime. You lucky guy.
Good hunting. LB
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Dave
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posted November 15, 2004 06:17 PM
Krusty,
I aim for coon's with my livetrap's but pick up a skunk now and again. As far as stakeing my trap's down it is a must !!!!!!!!! The nice washer latch mecanism has one down fall. When rolled over on it's top the door fall's open ![[Frown]](frown.gif) . The door's on my type of trap verses the guillotine style is when mine is tripped and the animal is not all the way in it can't push the door back up unlike the other style. I have gotten out to set no more than one trap . I have been working 7 day's a week. But I am going to get serious pretty quick about trapping. Well talk to you soon and good luck on the trap building.
Dave
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Krustyklimber
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posted November 24, 2004 10:51 AM
Tim,
That sucks about the land access deal, some people huh? ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
This week going any better?
Dave,
I guess working a lot has been contagious, I have been really busy myself.
You didn't say how you go about staking the trap.
My thinking was to use a rebar stake on each side of the cage, driven through the mesh in the bottom corner at about a 45° angle.
So when you get a skunk in your cage how do you go about releasing it?
For the guillotine style door, I am playing around with a judded washer lock (sorta like the stop on a screen door damper, but spring loaded), with a "lifting cable" attached to a release on the judder and the door.
That way if the door stops on it's way down it cannot be lifted, and a release could be done (with a long stick) without having to un-stake the trap.
Still no manual, no test, and no license, for me.
Oh yeah, still no new Governor either!
Krusty
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Tim Behle
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posted November 24, 2004 05:47 PM
Krusty,
I got some bad news about an hour after I wrote that last post. Things pretty much went downhill for me for the next week or so.
I did finally get 4 cat traps out last Sunday, but then had two nights of storms to contend with.
This morning I pulled one of them, and set out 10 coyote sets.
If the wife is willing to let me stay out until noon tomorrow, I'd like to set another 10 sets. ( I still haven't worked up the nerve to ask her, I'm going to wait until she's half asleep )
On big obstacle I'm facing, is that all of my traps were prepared, lures bought and urine collected for the 1999-2000 season.
I boiled up close to a hundred traps over at John-Henry's two years ago. Then I read the reg's for Arizona and found out that all but a half a dozen of the traps I had prepped were illegal here.
If you start kicking butt on coons, Muskrats or Beaver, let me know. I've got plenty of stretchers here that I will never use again. I've been looking up kids and new trappers on Trapperman.com , I'll send you a few too, but the deal is they aren't for sale. If you give up trapping, you need to send them on to another young trapper to help him get started.
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Krustyklimber
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posted November 24, 2004 10:23 PM
Tim,
As usual, that is a very generous offer, thank you very much.
That sounds like a great deal, if I get to where I do actually need them I'll let you know.
I am sorry to hear about your bad luck, I understand how that can go.
Don't let it discourage you, just remember "at least I got it better than Ol' Krusty" LOL (a variation on "I lamented I had no shoes, until I met a man who had no legs").
I myself am having trouble finding anyone to use, for my example of how much worse it could get. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
It's getting hard to keep a head of steam going, coyote calling didn't really work out, call making went even worse than that, and trapping won't even get going at all.
But I don't give up easy... there's always next year, or the year after that.
Krusty
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Cal Taylor
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posted November 25, 2004 07:19 AM
Tim,
What are the legal and illegal traps in Arizona. Just out of curiosity. Pretty much everything is legal here. I have a bit of everything. I started out with some old 4 longspring victors and some 3ns. I still have some of those old traps and use them. Then I went to the 3 and 4 Montgomery dogless, until they quit making them. So then it was to 3 Bridgers, which are a good trap but the dogs are weak and need straightened and replaced often. Now they are making a copy of the #3 Montgomery called the Montana Special and I picked up a couple dozen of those this year. I think I'll like them the best, because I still like that design of trap (dogless) and know how to set them up the best and fastest. (as far as getting the right pan tension and getting the pans level etc.). I base plate and laminate everything, and some are 4 coiled.
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Tim Behle
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posted November 25, 2004 12:19 PM
Cal,
Indiana was that way, you could use almost anything you wanted. But most of my traps aren't legal here in AZ.
All traps must have at least 3/16" offset jaws, or padded jaws. Every trap must also have a shock absorbing spring, and a commercially made pan tension device.
On land, we are limited to traps with 6.5" or less jaw spread, and nothing bigger than a 120 Conibear.
No snares ( That sucks )
All trap chains must have at least two swivels, and they even tell you were to put them.
No trapping with in 1/2 mile of any dwelling or area of public use. No trapping with in 100 yards of any interstate or highway. No trapping on Public land ( 70% of the State )
No teeth, no live bait, or setting with in 30' of exposed bait. Everything we catch must be either killed or released. No taking coyotes or fox home for urine collecting. I've been using my own for years, but I'm down to a half a gallon of coyote pee and a pint of fox pee, and it's five years old.
But the one that gripes me most is trap tags. At least they let me use a number that only the G&F can decode. They say it must be a metal tag, so I make them out of cut up beer cans.
Speaking of which, I might have a 5 year supply by the time that Turkey gets done. ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
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Cal Taylor
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posted November 25, 2004 06:21 PM
We have to tag ours too, but I use a number also. Can you modify your traps with a little welding to offset them? I don't understand the pan tension deal. You'll have to explain that one to me. I like to run alot of pan tension to keep from catching as many rabbits as possible. I don't run any shocks in my chain, but I have at least two or three swivels. And we still have our snares. I really like snares, there have been major advances made in the snare department.
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Tim Behle
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posted November 25, 2004 08:55 PM
They don't trust us to modify our own jaws, they have to be commercially made also.
The pan tension didn't hit me too bad. Most of my traps either have the brass nut and bolt, or a Posi-trip pan installed.
But my some of my favorite traps are #3 DLS and I never got them modified yet. They still have the factory crimp on pan. I used to add pan tension to them when setting by rolling up a ball of grass and putting it under the pan. But now they are setting on the work bench until I can get new pans ordered and installed.
I already had swivels on all of my traps, and a dozen or two had springs. I went down to the hardware store and bought $20 of small springs to install just to have enough traps to put out a line.
I like those #3 Bridgers well myself, but keeping them adjusted so the pan levels out is a chore in it's own.
How do you like those four coiled traps? I've had several over the years, and most of them have ended up with a buckled frame, making them unsetable. I had one bend up the laminated base plate while set a few years ago. It pushed the base into the bottom of the pan. Every morning, I see tracks over the pan and I'd assume the anti-freeze had run off. I'd add some more anti-freeze and the next morning find the same thing. It was almost a week before I discovered that the trap couldn't fire. I had to dismantle it at home to close the jaws.
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Rob
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posted November 26, 2004 06:00 AM
Tim..on your #3dls you can file a Miles Instant Trigger on your pans it's almost as good as the Paws-I-Trip pans...If you can find a copy of Scientific Coyote Trapping and Hunting by Wiley Miles it shows how to file the notch or do a search on trapperman.
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Tim Behle
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posted November 26, 2004 10:45 AM
I need to change out the factory pans because I need to have a way to adjust pan tension. I can't see how I'd do that by filing. That's why I was looking at the Paws-i-trip pans. By adjusting the bolt that holds the pan, you can adjust how much pressure is needed to fire the trap.
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Rob
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posted November 26, 2004 12:09 PM
Tim..you file a notch on the end of the dog and one in the rear of the pan the deeper the notch the more tension..I have some 3-n's with the Miles trigger that have 3 1/2 to 4 pounds of pan tension..If you like I can copy the instructions from the book and mail them to ya..I think I even have a pan and trigger with the notch already filed in them for a #3 Victor dls you can have for a visual aide.
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Tim Behle
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posted November 26, 2004 02:52 PM
The only filing system I can think of for pans and dogs it the Nightlatch system.
Does it look like this?
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Rob
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posted November 26, 2004 03:18 PM
Sorry I'll try again.
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Tim Behle
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posted November 26, 2004 03:47 PM
Rob,
Can you post the pic here? I have to log on to view it there, and they are not letting anyone new register.
Just right click on the picture, hit properties and copy and paste the URL here.
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Rob
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posted November 26, 2004 04:13 PM
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Tim Behle
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posted November 26, 2004 04:32 PM
OK, now I see! That's the same style that the Sterling and Heimbrock traps use. I love the way those traps work and fire. I don't think I've ever had anything but a full pad catch in one of them.
What kind of file do you use? A small 3 corner? It seems like it'd be a real pain to get them hand filed and still line up.
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Cal Taylor
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posted November 26, 2004 04:57 PM
All my long springs are filed that way. I never knew who started doing it first, another trapper showed me. I use that and polyfill under the pan on the longsprings.
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Rob
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posted November 26, 2004 04:58 PM
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Krustyklimber
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posted November 29, 2004 11:12 AM
Okay it's Monday again.
Latest joke on the State... I called the State Capitol, two Mondays ago, and left a voice mail with the Director of Education at the DFW, regarding the fact their is no home study manual for trapping, and no way to get my license.
Last Monday Chuck (who I had already spoken with, and recommended I call the Director) called me back and asked if I had any questions about Trapper's Ed.
I explained who I was, he said he remembered now, and was sorry but there was still no test, or home study course approved, and no idea when it might be.
Today... I called George Sovie, he's the Pres. of the WSTA, I caught him on the road so he didn't have much time to talk.
I quickly explained the situation, and he said "I don't think there is anything I can do to help". And he asked me to call him back later.
I was suprised he had no idea of the home study course, or the fact that nobody is currently able to get their new trapping license.
They are still counting and re-counting the votes for Governor, and the one still in office is a ghost, maybe once these people have a Boss something will get done.
Krusty
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