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azcallmaker
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posted September 17, 2004 07:20 PM
I called a coyote in last week. It was about 300 yards out when I first saw it. It looked fairly sick looking as I kept my scope on it until it reached the 50 yard mark. After taking it, I discovered that it had mange (spelling???).
Know how they catch it?
NN Lanyards
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Rich Higgins
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posted September 17, 2004 07:26 PM
There are two kinds of mange, both caused by tiny parasites that are transmitted from one animal to another.
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Leonard
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posted September 17, 2004 08:15 PM
What was your general location, Kofa? LB
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azcallmaker
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posted September 18, 2004 01:46 AM
This dog was taken near the Dateland area. It was the first I had ever seen.
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Cdog911
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posted September 18, 2004 04:39 AM
Like Rich said, transmitted thru contact, either directly, or co-hbitation of a contaminated den, etc. Very, very nasty, and Sarcoptes scabeii, the one most prevalent in my area, can be zoonotic and transmitted to humans resulting in the most extreme cases in Norwegian scabies. Many of us have seen the Texas study where less than 1% of exposed coyotes that develop mange will survive the infestation, and the remaining 99% dying a slow, lingering death. Mange, by itself, is not fatal. Rather, the effects of stress and the suppression of the immune system lead to secondary infections that a healthy coyote might survive, but hat a mangey one dies from. Mange is the predominant limiting factor and equalizer in KS coyotes. When our coyote pop'ns peak on their cycle, mange steps is. Thankfully, we're in the low ebb right now and I see it only in localized areas. Because it is almost always fatal, I always shoot anything with mange and bury it if I can. Sorry to hear you found it in AZ.
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Leonard
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posted September 18, 2004 10:24 AM
I have seen mange in Arizona, but rarely. Last time was around the Tucson area. AZ coyotes are usually very clean animals, no fleas, etc.
Good hunting. LB
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posted September 18, 2004 10:49 AM
A lot of the Montana coyotes have had mange the last couple of years. My hunting partner shot one that when he first saw it thought it was a black cat. Hardly any hair on it.
Leonard, I wish the coyotes I shoot were as clean as yours. The ones I shoot are full of fleas. In fact, after I shoot one I put it in a black garbage bag and then spray with flea spray or powder. Then when I get home and skin them there aren't so many, if any, to worry about.
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Rich Higgins
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posted September 18, 2004 11:52 PM
I call around the Dateland area a couple of times a year and have never seen mange there. I've lived here 21 years now and have only seen three cases of mange. Fleas are very seldom found on these coyotes, as Leonard said. However my B-in-law picked up a nasty infestation of lice from a coyote a few years ago.
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brad h
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posted September 19, 2004 12:20 AM
It has never occured to me that a coyote could NOT have fleas untill reading this. That's interesting and hasen't been discused enough. Here they're on every coyote I've ever seen, sometimes a metropolis, usually not, but they can always be found. The plastic bag and Raid is a sure thing.
I've seen two examples of mange out of 50 or 60 dead coyotes, and I've heard of a few others from this area in the last 3 years.
Always seems to start from the rear end from what I've heard and seen?
Brad
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Cdog911
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posted September 19, 2004 06:44 AM
Until about three years ago, this was what we considered to be a good looking coyote (relatively speaking).
You don't wanna know how the bad ones looked. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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onecoyote
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posted September 19, 2004 07:03 AM
Dang, I've seen better looking RKs
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Greenside
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posted September 19, 2004 11:47 AM
Is there much hog production or confinements in AZ? I'm starting to think that some of the outbreaks of mange in areas of the midwest and Dakota's might be due to the increase in the number of hog confinements. Mange outbreaks in some of my best hunting area's is really putting the hit on coyotes and also the fox.
Dennis
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Leonard
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posted September 19, 2004 12:06 PM
I don't know of any, Dennis? But, maybe the fleas and other critters can't stand the heat?
Not to convey the wrong impression, I mainly hunt California, Nevada and Arizona, and have never seen fleas. Mange, only in AZ, but rarely; and not recently.
Good hunting. LB
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Rich Higgins
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posted September 19, 2004 02:24 PM
Dennis, I don't know of any hog operations in Az. either.
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Az-Hunter
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posted September 19, 2004 03:31 PM
The last two or three years, Ive killed several coyotes each season that have mange. Last year I killed three that were eaten alive by it....nasty stuff.
Fleas on both coyotes and fox down in southern Az, the fox more so than the coyotes, but they all got em. Have never seen a louse on a predator? just about every duck Ive ever shot was loaded with lice, but not the coyotes.
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