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Cdog911
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posted July 28, 2004 07:50 PM
Not saying why, but I want to "speak" with anyone that uses and likes them for predator hunting. Anyone?
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Steve Craig
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posted July 28, 2004 08:47 PM
I dont use the solunar tables, but I do use and hunt by the moon phases. Still working on the theories at this time, but there is a patern that has been developing. Especially on certain species.
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Leonard
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posted July 28, 2004 08:50 PM
Dittos, what Steve said.
I find the Solunar tables most helpful, after the fact.
Good hunting. LB
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Rich Higgins
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posted July 28, 2004 09:00 PM
Yeah, I agree with both. I gave the solunar tables a good shot for a time but the coyotes didn't read the same tables that I did and I could see no relevance. Moon phases are a different story. I believe they have a profound affect on coyote behavior, I do not believe they have any influence on coyote vocalizations.
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posted July 28, 2004 09:40 PM
Y'all have any routinely logged data to back up these profound affects that you notice or anything from the scientifc literature to support it ?
What all behaviors are the profound affects you see and does these behaviors even truely matter to a joe-average yote or bobcat caller trying to call one in ?
Before y'all ask, no, I aint got any significnat amount of logged data or scientific literature to say they dont matter significantly. Which kinda puts us in the same rowboat, only Im on the bow and you the stern.
Problem with looking at tables and things after the fact is it tends to only be done when you do really good or you do really bad, and not all the time, which aint a fair way look at it.
Seems to us round here that theres bigger influences on the yotes to worry about than the farmers almanac or moon phases being a primary influence to calling success
Now I aint from Missouri but you still gotta SHOW ME. heh heh.
Thank ya kindly.
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Leonard
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posted July 28, 2004 11:56 PM
Well, El Paso is a bit skeptic, which is fine. Been there, done that; a time or two.
I knocked my head against the wall, swam upstream for many years, but the patterns became clear to me, and that's the only one I know that needs convincing. Besides, free advice is worth what you pay for it. If you want the actual data, well...
There will always be the buck or the lunker shot/hooked at high noon, and all the other oddities that can and will happen, if you spend enough time in the woods.
My first conviction was that night hunting predators was, by far superior, under a new moon.
DAY hunting, my feeling is that both extremes full moon and new moon are the best, give or take a day or so either side.
Can you kill a coyote at any other time? I guess so, but I'm looking at the exceptional days, the days when they are really running strong.
I don't think there is much question that fish bite some days, and don't bite much on other days.
I feel that it's the same with predators. Weather always plays a part, but when all the indicators are there, it makes for some exceptional hunting. The moon is a factor. I'm convinced of it.
Good hunting. LB
edit: rereading the above post, a couple words caught my eye: "joe-average caller". As always, go hunt when you can. I've been known to hunt on bad moon phases. As the man said; it's better than working; right? But, if you are looking for the best odds for success, pay attention to the moon phases. If you can go hunting any day next month, but only one day, I'd suggest either a new moon or a full moon.
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elpasotbagger
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posted July 29, 2004 09:09 AM
Talk is cheap. Lets see the math. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Ol grandad used to say ya shouldnt try to pass off art, for science. Im willing to believe if you can demonstrate a clean method of data gathering, and can show me the numbers.
Right now it sounds like another one of the opiates that folks use to make themselves feel better when they feel the need to explain things that they cant, which is what makes most of us human. Expected.
Im purdy sure at some points in time Rain Dances and Virgin Sacrifices were all considered major influences also (not on yote calling). Im giving that as workin example I aint being rude or nuthin. Im sure we could do the math there too, and therd be argument.
I would like to know how all the other varibles are eliminated, so that you KNOW with reasonable confidence and competence, that the only affecting difference is the moon phase or solunar table, and to what extent it is important.
How do you measure true success ? Total numbers killed ? Total ones that you SAW ?
If I kill 5 yotes instead of 2, that seems purdy big difference. If 20 yotes heard me, when the 5 came in and got killed, but on the trip wheres I got 2, only 4 yotes were able to hear me, now which is more successful response rate. In real world, How do either of us KNOW how many yotes DID hear us. I dont think the yotes sit next to the same tree all day everyday, they move around and some get removed. Listening for howls probably only gives a feller a rough estimate at best.
The more variables, means that you gotta do more testing. I just aint convinced that enough clean data has been gathered and logged without a fella trying to use data to prove what he WANTS to believe.
Like I say, were in the same rowboat, since I aint got the numbers to prove the opposite. My talk is just as cheap as y'alls I spose.
Thank ya again.
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Leonard
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posted July 29, 2004 11:00 AM
When it comes to Blackjack, everybody has a fool proof plan....that won't work.
Whether you are discussing the stock market, or Astrophysics, some can read the tea leaves, and some will want proof, upon proof, upon proof, and then it becomes a waste of time, for everybody.
Consider: figures lie, and liars figure. A column of data can be presented in such a way to prove both sides of an arguement.
The word is; Enlightenment, Grasshopper. Sometimes no amount of "proof" will convince. You can either accept what others have to say, or pursue your own theory.
Good hunting. LB
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elpasotbagger
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posted July 29, 2004 12:07 PM
"Salvation" for sale... ?
Well y'all just shored up my current position on the subject right there, thanks for the patient and polite indulgment.
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Rich Higgins
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posted July 29, 2004 12:29 PM
ElPaso, you made some good points and it's obvious that you've spent some time with John Alcock's text(biology degree?) but this is where you jumped the track.
"The more variables, means that you gotta do more testing. I just aint convinced that enough clean data has been gathered and logged without a fella trying to use data to prove what he WANTS to believe."
You see my goal is not to determine proof that something works but rather to determine if something works or not regardless of the proof.
If you flip heads 100 times in a row you would be a fool not to bet the farm on the next toss despite the fact that statistically you still have only a 50-50 chance. It's working for you today.
If over a period of many years it becomes apparent that one fourth the number of coyotes come to the call on the day after a full moon than normally respond the day after a new moon then a solunar table, a research paper or a biologist's model that contradicts my experience will have little credence in my area at this particular time. I much prefer the personal observations of hunters with long experience to the crunched numbers of anyone else with unknown agenda.
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Leonard
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posted July 29, 2004 01:08 PM
Well, yeah.
The thing is, I'm more interested in hunting coyotes than logging data. No amount of scientific data will convince me that high noon is the best time to hunt coyotes. I'm not suggesting that such data exists, but if it did, and didn't square with my own observations, I wouldn't give it much validity; at least for my purposes.
On the other hand, the scientific community is just as guilty of attempting to "prove" their preconceived concepts.
I have read stuff from the academics that I do not agree with. If you want to become completely jaded, watch the endless parade of "expert" witnesses, for the defense and the prosecution, in a court room; contradicting each other. It gets ridiculous. The lawyers shop around until they find somebody to swear on a stack of Bibles that black is white.
If you want to know something about hunting coyotes, for starters, talk to coyote hunters. Sure, you will get different opinions. As the jury, you still need to separate the wheat from the chaff.
That's as clear as I can be, and you can be assured that I have some experience with the subject.
Good hunting. LB
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Greenside
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posted July 29, 2004 01:22 PM
Personally, I think the theory is very sound and valid, when it come to animal movement and activity. The problem is that it might only be 10-15%(if that) of the puzzle or the success equation. You can't expect to call coyotes under a primary solunar period if your calling timbers and the coyotes are actually,1-2 miles away, in the corn. Try to control the varibles that you can, and I think in the long run it will pay off.
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Rob
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posted July 29, 2004 03:32 PM
If you want data get a copy of...Factors influencing the efficiency of fixed wing aerial hunting for coyotes in the western United States..Hunts conducted during a new moon killed significantly fewer coyotes than hunts conducted on quarter or full moons with full moons being the best.Findings on this factor also are consistent with odservations of the success of calling and shooting coyotes for livestock protection;animals are more responsive to calls during days of a full moon...This was collected by WS pilots in five western states.
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Lonny
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posted July 29, 2004 03:41 PM
Rob, Where might a guy get a copy of the information you are talking about? I'm always impressed and amazed with your knowledge about where just about anything ever written about predators can be found.
Thanks
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elpasotbagger
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posted July 29, 2004 04:03 PM
Rich Higgins said,
If over a period of many years it becomes apparent that one fourth the number of coyotes come to the call on the day after a full moon than normally respond the day after a new moon then a solunar table, a research paper or a biologist's model that contradicts my experience will have little credence in my area at this particular time. I much prefer the personal observations of hunters with long experience to the crunched numbers of anyone else with unknown agenda. (end)
If some fella has that information logged down, and they have hunted at all (or at least randomly across) moon and solunar phases with equal effort over time, and recorded all of it equally as well, and theres a repitive linear correlation shown, then I would like to see it. If multiple fellas from different areas want to show that data, all the better.
If the effect is so profound, there should be a linear correlation easily demonstrated on paper. So, lets see it. Otherwise is just Raindancing.
Historically relying on eyewitness testimony (possibly relating to personal observations of hunters ?) is prolly even more dangerous than the trial experts as noted by Leonard. Memories get fuzzy and selective. Like mine did on Sample size required and the number of variables, and I thank ya for catchin that.
"The rooster crows so that the sun will rise." This is what Im tyring to avoid. I am interested to say what else y'all have to say, since you know what I think now, Ill keep from hogging all your space.
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elpasotbagger
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posted July 29, 2004 04:05 PM
"Factors influencing the efficiency of fixed wing aerial hunting for coyotes in the western United States."
Thank ya much, Ill check it out
http://www.aphis.usda.gov/ws/nwrc/is/02pubs/maso021.pdf
http://www.coyoteaction.org/coyote/coyoteresearch.htm
Leonard and Rich Higgins aint gonna like this.
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Hunts conducted during a new moon killed significantly fewer coyotes than hunts on conducted on quarter or full moons. These differences may reflect the realative success of night hunting by coyotes (skip) Resulting in more daylight hunting by coyotes and consequently increased vulnerability to aerial shooting.
(Skip) Consistent with observations of CALLING SUCCESS during days of a full moon.
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interesting in that it contradicts y'alls results ?
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Leonard
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posted July 29, 2004 04:47 PM
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My first conviction was that night hunting predators was, by far superior, under a new moon.
DAY hunting, my "feeling" is that both extremes full moon and new moon are the best, give or take a day or so either side.
I tyhink you better reread what I said. I said that the first thing I decided was that night hunting under a new moon was significantly better. Then I said words to the effect that new moon and full moon were good times to hunt in the daytime. I am not sold on that. But I normally hunt full moon and new moon and have done well. Other factors may be at work, such as weather, such as....a lot of variables.
But, again. That published data refers to arial gunning, WHICH IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN CALLING COYOTES. They may be out there, but not inclined to answer a call, but easily spotted from an airplane.
But, again. That published data refers to arial gunning, WHICH IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN CALLING COYOTES. They may be out there, but not inclined to answer a call, but easily spotted from an airplane.
I actually see nothing that refutes my words. While Rob's data is always welcome, and I am too amazed at some of the things he finds; it's too late in the game for me to change my concepts based on information from people who may, or may not know anything about hunting coyotes from the ground.
Goodf hunting. LB
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posted July 29, 2004 05:18 PM
Leonard I don't doubt your findings at all I know you do alot of night hunting and that's a whole different ball game...I've never hunted at night so I don't have a clue..and I can't comment on the study cuz I don't keep track of that stuff..I just go callin when I get the chance...I posted that study so the members could kick it around
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Leonard
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posted July 29, 2004 05:44 PM
Rob, I realize that, nothing I say should be taken as a reflection on your contributions, which are substantial, and appreciated.
What I might point out is that I live in the city, and always plan a hunt around the best night hunting, which, for me, is a new moon. When driving a considerable distance, I also hunt the daylight hours, and have a lot of experience hunting daylight, under a new moon.
If, however, I plan a day hunt, I usually try to coincide with a full moon, all things being equal; and completely forget hunting at night. It's not because the coyotes are not active at night during a full moon, but because they can see you so easily, and are extremely wary.
But, you can't put these animals in a box and tie it up with pretty ribbons. Compared to virgin sacrifices, the considered opinion of a veteran coyote hunter is a little more reliable.
For a number of years, I have generously offered the best advice that I am capable of offering. Look around, and see exactly who is contributing information of value, no strings attached. Really look hard at some things said by folks that know what they are doing. Actual, usable, valid information is slim pickins; usually for fear of contradiction. That bothers me not at all. But for those that DEMAND some kind of proof, be thankful for the free advice.
Good hunting. LB
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Cdog911
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posted July 29, 2004 06:29 PM
I'm gonna toss a thought in here about the issue that EPTB has brought against Leonard's firsthand experience. And to properly appreciate my contribution, I'll refer, though not by author or title, to a study conducted during my college days by my advisor that found that small mammal movements were significantly less during times of both full and new moons. They didn't correlate these findings so much with solunar factors. Rather, they hypothesized that the mammals were aware that under the full moon, they were more visible and, thus, more vulnerable to predation. Under a new moon, in no light-type conditions, same thing, because they felt, the rodents were unable to see comfortably enough to move freely about without feeling too vulnerable. However you want to look at it, I don't see that these hypotheses are too far of a stretch and they do make sense, consistent with their findings. What in the hell does that have to do with Leonard's findings?
teabagger's references are relative to aerial gunning success - a far cry from calling results. The plane is, in effect, going to the coyote, compared to calling the coyote to you. Coyotes don't have to be hunting to be vulnerable to aerial gunners. They just have to be within sight.
Now, Leonard's experience tells him that night hunting under a new moon is a good time. I can see that. Low prey movement periods would lead the coyote - the ecological economist from hell - to forego any long hunting ventures simply because the food just ain't there to be got. Why waste the calories looking for what ain't there? On the other hand, if a free meal presents itself, why not get it done? Coyote still gets just as hungry every 24 h in the dark as he does under a quarter moon. It's just that the opportunistic side of the beast comes more into play on those dark nights and it strikes me as strategically advantageous for the experienced caller to exploit that motivation. In other words, the coyote may not be hunting because it's not to his advantage to do so, but if given the chance, he'll eagerly take free food. Just my .02.
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posted July 29, 2004 09:17 PM
Show me the money.....and then I will show you the math.
I tell my students that pay VERY good money for the knowledge I have, to keep what THEY have payed for to themselves. It is to their advantage to do so. After all, I payed for some of that knowledge from other hunters and trappers over many years, and it was ALL money well spent. Personal instruction does pay for itself. Maybe at some point in my life I will begin to release some of that information that makes me a good living, because as a fellow gets older, he wants to leave something behind. It is the reason I am writing my book on calling lions. The book is on hold at this time due to a change in course , to do a video, to begin filming in approximately 3 weeks. The release date is not available at this time. I have all but stopped my GUIDED hunts, as I only consentrate on doing INSTRUCTIONAL hunts. This is where my true joy comes from, and that is seeing a student call up his first lion, lynx,bear, bobcat or even a coyote or fox. So, my video will be an instructional type video as well.
Looks like I got off track from my original thought. Sorry Leonard.
My point was that.....you get what you pay for. It is just a simple question of deciding what it is worth to you. There is nothing free in this life. I know what I can do under certain moon phases and with certain species. It happens over and over too many times to not look hard at the why. Some individuals are always wanting something for nothing, and if they dont get it( or cant do it themselves) then it just cant be done. I have seen this mentality rear its ugly head for more than 30 years. Just because they cant do it, it just cant be done. It just boils down to being ignorant. Nothing wrong with being ignorant,,, it just means you dont know enough about a certain subject...AT THIS TIME! Sometimes the why is not what we should be asking. Sometimes we just need to accept the fact that you can call lions(on a consistant basis) at 12 noon when under a full moon phase. AND, you can call more coons under the 1st and 3rd quarters at night than you can under the full or new moon. The why is not important. The fact that someone found out this happens more often than not, is what needs our attention. It is then up to us to put it into practice. Then the WHY comes into play! WHY can this guy call more coons than me and WHY can he call more lions than me? At that point in time, he may have/want/or need to buy the video, buy the book, or take instruction and he will then learn the WHY. BUT, anyway you cut it, he will have to pay his share. All real knowledge comes at a cost. We just have to decide if, to gain more knowledge, we are willing or want to pay for it. Some never do and end up staying on the outside looking in.
FWIW
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posted July 29, 2004 09:57 PM
I read this thread several times and agree with alot of what has been said. Here are a few things that I have found over the years....
When you ask for loged data, I started logging data on my lap top several years ago..(For deer Hunting...During bow season) I loged weather, the date, moon phase, Air temps, location, stand and hrs spent in the stand, and numbers seen.) After a couple years of review I found that weather seem to play a big, big part in the movements of deer. The air temp and weather...wind, rain, snow, or fronts moving in and out seem to have alot more effect on the deer movements rather than the moon phase, But....This did not figure the moon phase on the rut! I believe the moon phase plays a big part in when the does come into heat and he buck movement peaks out. I just used this data to track movement. It did increase around the rut, to a great extent. But overall...the weather seemed to play the big part in the movement early and late season.
At the end of last year I started tracking the same data on my lap top for predator hunting. Im tracking...weather, air temp, moon phase, stand location, number of stands, numbers seen, numbers shot, vocal responces, date and time of stand, I spent most of the season seting up my data tables. I have two hunts on the logs now. One is a night hunt and one day hunt. It will be very interesting to see how this turns out. I also make notes on every sheet on the table, number of hunters, ect.
I also just started a log for my scouting. I use it when im out locating at night or on scouting trips and put the same data in it.
I will say that in the past I have always done better at night on a new moon, during the day hunts I dont know if I could say it made alot of diffrence. At night....The moon plays a big role and make a big diffrence. I am looking forward to seeing what the data will say. All in all...would I say home from hunting just because the moon wasnt right...NO, But if I can plan a hunt with the moon in my favor I will! I think there are alot of factors that play into it. And Weather is a big one along with the moon phases. And alot of other things, but I can tell you this, if it gives my an edge to hunt on the new moon then I will try to hunt every new moon I can!
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posted July 30, 2004 10:09 AM
Thanks, keekee,
I think (perhaps) you said it better than my lame attemps? I agree with your conclusions, and it bothers me not, that you cannot document it ten ways from Sunday.
But, Lance. Are you getting any leads. I know we are getting a little sideways, here.
Good hunting. LB
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Cdog911
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posted July 30, 2004 11:13 AM
Have I been that obvious? LOL There's something to gleen from everyone. You just have to look thru a lot of oysters sometimes to find a pearl.
I'm just interested in someone that's kept their data and correlated it with the tables. I start each season with good intentions of making my efforts part of a bigger, better examination, and maybe these types of boards would be a great venue in which to get a dozen guys keeping the same data over the span of the year. But I can honestly say that the only table or chart I use to determine the best times for me to hunt is the calendar at work that shows me my days off and annual leave.
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posted July 30, 2004 12:56 PM
Leonard didnt you read the article ?
""Our findings on this factor are consistent with observations of the success of calling and shooting coyotes for livestock protection, animals are more responsive to calls during a full moon"".
Sounds like calling to me ?
also you said that the full and New moon was your best. The article said that Full and Quarter moons were better and that New moon was worst, theres the contradiction to your findings.
If Chopper Shooting is so much different and means nothing, than pony up your data. "Trust me" and "Cause I said so" dont cut the mustard to the independent thinkers. Sorry if that riles ya.
Steve Craig,
Thank ya for the defensive sales pitch.
Im not sure anyone here asked "why", I just asked yall that had a firm opinion, for a source of data that has been cleanly collected without bias that shows a significant difference in relation to moon phase and calling/hunting success to back up your claims.
Keekee, when you say 2 hunts, y'all mean two seasons or two episodes ? Sounded like two episodes. Hope you stick with it before you make too many prejudiced decisions. Good luck with that, more power to ya and Lance too.
Thank ya again.
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