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Leonard
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posted April 08, 2004 09:54 AM
Why is it that significant numbers of turkey hunters and elk hunters have embraced the diaphram call, while darn few predator hunters know anything about them? They don't seem to be on the "radar screen". Are we too conservative, as a group, or what?
All the chatter seems to be open reed calls, howlers, or electronics. The rest gets put on ignore.
Your thoughts, conclusions, or confessions, welcome.
Good hnting. LB
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Krustyklimber
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posted April 08, 2004 10:47 AM
Volume...
Diaphragm calls just aren't very loud. That might be an advantage for some guys, but not for others.
It seems to me, the thing about my calls that impresses guys most is the shear volume.
I haven't heard too many guys say they want a nice soft sound.
My brother is quite proficient with a diaphragm call, mimicking many animal and bird noises, but often times I can't hear him call from my downwind position.
I know I don't have the hearing of a coyote, but it seems to me you need to reach out a ways to attract coyotes who you'd otherwise bump in the range of the diaphragm call.
I know with my Carlton's Lonesome Cow bite type elk call, I can talk to the cows from half a mile or more across an open valley, but Red has to be withing a few hundred yards to bugle with the bulls with his diaphragm calls... man feeding stations are fun.
In turkey hunting, most guys start with a louder call like a box call, switching to a quieter slate call once they hear a response, then going to a diaphragm call when they confirm an approach so they can continue to woo ol' tom from a still and mounted postion.
Red often keeps a diaphram call in his mouth, ready to use this same still and mounted system should a predator arrive, but need some coaxing to present a shot.
I think most of the other hunters who use them also tend to sit in one stand and wait for wandering animals to come into the area, be heard making their typical sounds, and then vocally coerced into coming into shooting range...
You hear the tom turkeys gobble, then you "sexy talk" them to death.
Same for elk... cow esterus and pillow talk.
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Cal Taylor
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posted April 08, 2004 11:04 AM
I like them and use them quite a bit. But hell we can't give away all our secrets can we?
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Crow Woman
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posted April 08, 2004 11:10 AM
Just started working with one this year Leonard. Dang... still trying to teach my mouth where to place it, tongue, teeth, roof of mouth etc. But did call in a coyote by barking with it. Amazed with the realization of the sound when I can get it positioned to work right.
however... those hand calls don't take much fussing about. Somedays, I just don't have the patience.
A split double reed was the best out of three I tried so far.
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Cdog911
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posted April 08, 2004 11:27 AM
As far as turkey hunting/ calling goes, I don't know of any other mouth call that sounds worth a snot at reproducing a turkey vocalization. While there are several types of hand operated models, some guys prefer the hands-free wind blown varety.
Somewhat the same thing with elk. Other than a few calls like the Power Bugler, the diaphragm sounds best at reproducing both bull and cow sounds. (And isn't the Power Bugler just a variant in design of the diaphragm?)
Predator calling, on the other hand, finds the closed and open-reed calls quite suitable and adequate for the task at hand. Although the diaphragm makes a very nice sounding call, I don't feel that its authenticity is any more realistic from the perspective of the coyote. As a matter of fact, I'll go out on a limb and say that it isn't at all. Many of the custom calls produce sounds with the same quality as the bunnies (or whatever) themselves. In short, we have our tools, they have their's, and I don't see the predator calling genre jumping on anyone's bandwagon just because some other group thinks it works well. By the same token, there are a lot of things that we have at our disposal that just don't cross over to their pursuit, i.e., misting ![[Smile]](smile.gif) .
And finally, no one ever like they were going to choke on a Tally Ho.
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Leonard
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posted April 08, 2004 11:34 AM
Crow Woman, I agree. The split double reed is one of my favorites, when I can get them.
Cal, we don't have to worry about giving up secrets, I've been touting diaphrams for years with, what seems like invisible ink?
Krusty, no offense, okay? In my judgement, slightly flawed analysis; however, I do appreciate and respect your point of view.
Good hunting. LB
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albert
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posted April 08, 2004 11:59 AM
I think it's because the "other" calls work well. It simply takes alot less practice to become good at using a hand call. Plus it's a lot more comfortable to have a call hanging by a lanyard than to have a diaphragm in your cheek.
Leonard I think you have brought up a good topic.
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Rich Higgins
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posted April 08, 2004 03:13 PM
After hearing Dave Tatum bark and howl with a diaphragm I am determinmed to master the little devil.
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varmit hunter
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posted April 08, 2004 03:18 PM
In no way can I go with volume. These new 15,000Hz diaphragms will split granite. We no longer use the big box calls on the days Toms wont gobble. These 15,000Hz calls can be herd by Armadillos three counties away. Not to mention what I did to the Parrot show at the mall with one. At least Jay got a ride out of the Zoo when he blew the Rhino. I had mad little Kids throwing things at me.
I have called Geese, Fox, Bobcats, Coyotes,Coons, Plus they make a heck of a Hawk screamer.
It just takes a little time. Some of the 3.5 calls with splits, And V notches can produce unbelievable sounds.
Get hold of a MAD Venom, Are a Hyper Hen and you're hair follicles will change places. Now you may have to have a few fillings replaced in you're teeth.
Any sound you can speak. You can reproduce on a diaphragm. Before I retired, I worked at a large chemical plant. One Christmas eve I got on the intercom system, And serenaded the entire plant with "Silent Night" on a Turkey diaphragm. Wont replace Bing's version, But wasn't all that bad.
Can yawl tell I am on some new wild meds?.
Ronnie
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Leonard
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posted April 08, 2004 03:37 PM
By the way. I know how to spell it. But, I vastly prefer my own spelling.
And, Ronnie. I agree with you. I don't think most people know how to get volume out of a diaphram call? They aren't hardly limited to coaxing.
You know, nothing beats the tactile feel of a hand call, and diaphrams do present a couple storage problems.
Why not consider the "hands free" advantage? Nothing else comes close.
But forget the peanuts and Copenhagen; you can't do both. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
Good hunting. LB
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Crow Woman
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posted April 08, 2004 04:00 PM
Definately volume Ronnie!
Now since you are on some really good stuff... I EXPECT a serinade of Silent Night in May ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
I'm still a newbie on these diaphragms, but I hope to learn over the years to come.
I like the material that Lohman's use. It's not hard and scratchy and prickly.
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Rich Higgins
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posted April 08, 2004 05:05 PM
OK Ronnie, I gotta hear about the parrot show.
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Crow Woman
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posted April 08, 2004 06:54 PM
I want to hear what the kids were throwing ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
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Sheri L Baity
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Krustyklimber
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posted April 08, 2004 07:28 PM
Gee Leonard, do point out my flaws huh? I'd like to learn something from my mistakes, if nothing else...
Dang... I just seem to look stupider and stupider the more I post... ![[Razz]](tongue.gif) oh well somebody has to be the dummy.
I can only base my analysis on first hand infomation, and I have only heard one person who uses one... the only sound I can make is a gagging noise, just like Snoopy when Charlie Brown put his leash on... I can't even close my mouth.
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Tim Behle
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posted April 08, 2004 09:42 PM
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Why is it that significant numbers of turkey hunters and elk hunters have embraced the diaphram call, while darn few predator hunters know anything about them?
Common sense?
I can't see how anyone would want to have a vibrating piece of plastic buzzing around in their mouth.
I've tried a couple of dozen of them, most are rotting away where I hawked them up. Nasty irritating little things that make me want to cough, sneeze and gag at the same time.
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posted April 08, 2004 09:56 PM
Tim, you had me rolling! Your right, it's that,itchy,wheezy,vibrating,gag reflexing piece of plastic, that always has me hacking it, into the nearest brush pile:) Ive heard Leonard several times, use his diaphram call on stand, and I can tell you this, there is damned sure no lack of volumne. Im always impressed by some of the fellas I meet, who can make good sound from the damnest insturments. Thats what makes this game so damned interesting to pursue, there is literally, something for everyone isn't there.
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coycaller
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posted April 09, 2004 07:08 AM
I've been using the diaphram calls for close to 20 years the thing about them is they just don't hold up to extreme calling very long. Where any of the other calls last for years. They are handy when in a tight spot when you want to keep movement to nothing. Like calling close brush ect.
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Norm
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posted April 09, 2004 10:10 AM
Tim, you need to remove the Copenhagen first...then those little tools would work magic for you... they may not outperform the dueling cottontails, but it is nice to have for stopping coyotes...
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Greenside
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posted April 09, 2004 12:53 PM
I'm not sure how long I've been using diaphrams for turkeys. I might be wrong, but I think Perfection was the only brand sold commercially, although Quaker Boy might have been selling a few at the time. For me, making all the sounds is no longer a problem and that includes the elk and coyote calling sounds.
I don't use them on coyote mostly due to the fact that I think on a day to day basis, the pee-wee or mini-blaster or some of the others hand calls will out produce the diaphrams. Why? I don't know, it might just be me, but when I've tried them they just didn't seem to be any type of secret weapon.
On the howling end of things, I think they sound all right, but they lack the throatie rattle that I like in the thin cowhorns and the Carlton bells.
Dennis
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varmit hunter
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posted April 09, 2004 04:41 PM
Coycaller. Keep you're diaphragms in the refrigerator with tooth picks between the reeds. Add a little Scope, Are what ever mouth wash you prefer. You can get many years use out of them this way.
Ronnie
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Leonard
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posted April 09, 2004 05:32 PM
Tim, I actually had you in mind when I said that you can't chew and use a diaphram at the same time. But, choking? Vibrating? You must be using those battery operated diaphrams?
Ronnie, that's a real good suggestion. Never thought of separating the reeds with a toothpick, and the most creative rinse I have used was plain old water. Thank you!
Good hunting. LB
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posted April 09, 2004 07:30 PM
That's why they put Ronnie on the Pro-staff and pay him the big bucks.
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posted April 09, 2004 07:35 PM
I know exactly what Tim and Vic mean.
The vibrations make my nose run and my eyes water and then I have to sneeze. Holding the sneeze off makes me sweat. When I sweat I smell bad. So now I'm blind, I can't breathe and I stink.
Hell of a way to run a stand.
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Leonard
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posted April 09, 2004 07:39 PM
Geeze! Another whinner!
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Byron South
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posted April 09, 2004 07:46 PM
I've used diaphram calls for years. Not usually as a primary call. I keep a couple in my wallet all the time. Never know when it might come in handy. I can call turkey, elk, make some great distress sounds and coyote vocalizations. I buy them at discount prices during the summer months and usualy by a dozen at the time. I give some away and use the rest. Keeping them in you wallet is not the best place, but they will still last pretty good. Ronnie thanks for the tip. Leonard I use mine with right along with the Copenhagen. If you can't do it with Copenhagen it ain't worth doin . I like the plain old doubles with out the splits.
Byron
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